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GOOD lord mc!   Do you think the US would be back to normal so soon after a financial crisis....one of the worst in history!!

The auto bailouts worked and records continue to climb back up.

The stock market is 10-12k a day

And no the mandate will affect NO ONE THAT HAS A POLICY ALREADY!!!!! And its 90 dollars...that not going to cripple the poverty class even.......

I could go on, but yo need to look around and draw your own conclusions and study both sides.....same with 3333

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GOOD lord mc!   Do you think the US would be back to normal so soon after a financial crisis....one of the worst in history!!

The auto bailouts worked and records continue to climb back up.

The stock market is 10-12k a day

And no the mandate will affect NO ONE THAT HAS A POLICY ALREADY!!!!! And its 90 dollars...that not going to cripple the poverty class even.......

I could go on, but yo need to look around and draw your own conclusions and study both sides.....like 3333

The auto bailouts worked? Tell that to the ghost town that was once Detroit!!

Obama's policies have FAILED, bottom line. Again,


Did he keep unemployment under 8%? PLEASE!! It's been 8% or higher for 42 months straight (9% or higher for 33 months).

Did he cut the deficit in half? HARDLY!! It's DOUBLED on his watch.

Did he keep his word not to raise taxes on the middle-class? HELL, NO!! ObamaCare and end of Bush tax cuts in 2013, enough said.

Did he lower premiums on healthcare? GET REAL!! He's trying to shaft the middle class, vets, and employers with this foolishness called ObamaCare. If it's so great, why are all these waivers going out to his political allies?


That's why ObamaCare is utter GARBAGE. It screws those who already have healthcare by JACKING UP THEIR PREMIUMS, the very thing Obama said it wouldn't do. Look what he's trying to do our vets with Tricare, as in raising their rate FOURFOLD.

Premiums have gone UP. Again, a dozen taxes in ObamaCare hit THOSE MAKING LESS THAN 250K. What part of that don't you understand?

Obama ran his mouth FOR YEARS that nobody under 250K would see their taxes go up "one single dime". That is a outright LIE, based on both ObamaCare and the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts (contrary to the media spin, this too will hit the middle class HARD).

Let's not forget GAS prices. Eight years of Bush and gas prices only exceeded $3, during his last year or so in office (10 years ago, it was under a dollar a gallon in stated like Florida and Georgia). It's been $3 or higher under Obama for YEARS.

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Of course premiums go up.Its a for profit business. Thats captialism...you dont support capitialism...are you a commmy/ socialist mcway ???

And yes the bailouts are paid back and we are now able to buy our american cars again...You dont like that Mcway ???   Do you prefer hyundai?

And it took money to save the country and other countries affected by these bubbles created by the previous administration...so yes theirs a deficet...

Is any of this sinking in Mcway ???

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GOOD lord mc!   Do you think the US would be back to normal so soon after a financial crisis....one of the worst in history!!

The auto bailouts worked and records continue to climb back up.

The stock market is 10-12k a day

And no the mandate will affect NO ONE THAT HAS A POLICY ALREADY!!!!! And its 90 dollars...that not going to cripple the poverty class even.......

I could go on, but yo need to look around and draw your own conclusions and study both sides.....same with 3333

Anyone who likes to argue that the strength of the stock markets is indicative of the strength of the economy is a fucking retard. Protip: the markets are only doing well because of the free money the fed dumped into them with the QEs.

GM stock has completely tanked by the way and taxpayers are now approx. $33 billion in the hole on that bailout. Yeah, they're doing GREAT.  ::)

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Government Motors: As GM shares near record low, taxpayer loss on bailout rises to $35 billion

To quote Lando Calrissian, this deal's getting worse all the time.

General Motors (GM) shares fell to a fresh 2012 closing low of 19.57 on Monday. The stock hit 19 in mid-December, the lowest since the auto giant came public at $33 in November 2010 following its June 2009 bankruptcy.

Normally you might say, tough luck investors. But this is Government Motors. The Treasury still owns 26.5% of GM, or 500 million shares. Taxpayers are still out $26.4 billion in direct aid. Shares would have to hit $53 for the government to break even.

Those shares were worth about $9.8 billion as of Monday. That would leave taxpayers with a loss of $16.6 billion.

But that's not the full tally. Obama let GM keep $45 billion in past losses to offset future profits. Those are usually wiped out or slashed, along with debts, in bankruptcy. But the administration essentially gifted $45 billion in write-offs (book value $18 billion) to GM. So when GM earned a $7.6 billion profit in 2011 (more on that below), it paid no taxes.

Include that $18 billion gift, and taxpayers' true loss climbs to nearly $35 billion.

Of course, there's no chance that the Obama administration will sell off its GM stake before Election Day. That would force Obama to recognize actual losses, which would remind voters that the bailout was a massive transfer from taxpayers to unions.

Union workers did make sacrifices in bankruptcy, but not nearly enough. GM only narrowed the labor cost gap vs. what Japanese automakers pay their workers. Given that Toyota (TM) still enjoys a price premium over similar GM vehicles, the U.S. auto giant needs a labor cost advantage, not near-parity. And Toyota has relatively high costs. Volkswagen(VLKAY) pays workers at its new Tennessee plant only about half what GM does.

The Volt hybrid was supposed to provide a green veneer to GM's entire lineup, like the Prius has done for Toyota. Instead, the Volt has been a p.r. disaster following fires and anemic sales that led to a temporary production halt earlier this year.

GM's market share and profits got an artificial boost in 2011 as Japan's earthquake and Thailand's massive floods wrecked havoc with supply chains for Toyota and other Japanese automakers. But with Toyota back on track and VW and Hyundai aggressively expanding in America, GM is rapidly losing share in 2012.

Overall U.S. auto sales were strong to start the year, but that momentum has faded along with slowing economic growth and hiring. Falling gas prices also may reduce the incentive to replace aging cars and trucks with higher-mileage vehicles. Automakers release U.S. June vehicle sales on Tuesday.

Update: GM's June sales rose 15.5% vs. a year earlier, much better than expected. But while retail sales rose 8%, lower-margin sales to car rental agencies and other fleets, shot up 36%. Still, GM shares rose 5.6% in holiday-shortened trading. But that only trimmed the bailout loss by about $550 million -- from nearly $35 billion to about $34 billion.

And the U.S. currently is the garden spot of Ceti Alpha 6 for auto sales.

Europe has become a sinkhole. The auto industry faced chronic overcapacity in Europe before the debt crisis erupted because national politics make it very hard to close any money-losing plant in any country. With Italy and Spain on the brink of a meltdown, auto sales in those countries are in freefall.

Ford (F) last week warned of major losses in Europe and other overseas markets.

GM has done well in China, now the world's No. 1 auto market, but that  economic growth is slowing there too. Meanwhile several big cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, are capping new car registrations to fight massive gridlock.

So don't expect GM's prospects to improve significantly in the near term. Obama says he saved GM and the U.S. auto industry for the "long term". But using taxpayer dollars to prop up a high-cost, low-premium producer in a mature market isn't a foundation for success.

http://news.investors.com/article/616849/201207030826/gm-bailout-taxpayer-loss-rises-as-shares-fall.htm


"The auto bailouts worked and records continue to climb back up."

LOL.

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Of course premiums go up.Its a for profit business. Thats captialism...you dont support capitialism...are you a commmy/ socialist mcway ???

They go UP under ObamaCare, which Obama swore would bring prices DOWN. You do realize you can have capitalism and loaw prices on good and services, don't you, War-Horse?


And yes the bailouts are paid back and we are now able to buy our american cars again...You dont like that Mcway ???   Do you prefer hyundai?

I prefer any car that's safe, cheap, spacious, and gas-efficient. BTW, Hyundai's American plant ain't even in Detroit; it's in ALABAMA.

And it took money to save the country and other countries affected by these bubbles created by the previous administration...so yes theirs a deficet...

Is any of this sinking in Mcway ???

Obama said he'd cut the deficit in HALF. He didn't. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse?

He said his stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%. It's been over 8% for FORTY-TWO STRAIGHT MONTHS. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse?

He said NOBODY making under 250K would see their taxes go up "one single dime". ObamaCare and expiring Bush tax cuts shoot that promise to hell. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse? BTW, that tax in 2014 is at least 950 dimes. By 2016, it's nearly 7000 dimes. For a family, it's almost 21,000 dimes.

And the auto bailout being paid back? PLEASE!! That kind of fuzzy math gets accountants thrown in JAIL.


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Anyone who likes to argue that the strength of the stock markets is indicative of the strength of the economy is a fucking retard. Protip: the markets are only doing well because of the free money the fed dumped into them with the QEs.

GM stock has completely tanked by the way and taxpayers are now approx. $33 billion in the hole on that bailout. Yeah, they're doing GREAT.  ::)


Gm will see fluctuations as all companies do.   And yeah the president fixes gas prices.. ::)

The market is trading due to people feeling confident.  When they dont feel confident they dont trade....its easy to see this

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Gm will see fluctuations as all companies do.   And yeah the president fixes gas prices.. ::)

The market is trading due to people feeling confident.  When they dont feel confident they dont trade....its easy to see this

Market volume has been low for 6+ months now. Anything else you want to make up? It's funny watching you embarrass yourself like this.

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They go UP under ObamaCare, which Obama swore would bring prices DOWN. You do realize you can have capitalism and loaw prices on good and services, don't you, War-Horse?


I prefer any car that's safe, cheap, spacious, and gas-efficient. BTW, Hyundai's American plant ain't even in Detroit; it's in ALABAMA.

Obama said he'd cut the efifict in HALF. He didn't. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse.

He said his stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%. It's been over 8% for FORTY-TWO STRAIGHT MONTHS. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse?

He said NOBODY making under 250K would see their taxes go up "one single dime". ObamaCare and expiring Bush tax cuts shoot that promise to hell. Is any of that sinking in, War-Horse. BTW, that tax in 2014 is at least 950 dimes. By 2016, it's nearly 7000 dimes. For a family, it's almost 21,000 dimes.




Your not listening mc.  If mcdonalds starting giving rich people(250k a yr) a 2 dollar off coupon for a year    and then the year ended its not a increase.   If you rent your home to someone for a 1000 dollars a month and they have a hard month and you accept 400 dollars....do you think that is the new amount listed on contract??? NO.    And for the last time IT WILL AFFECT NO ONE THAT HAS A POLICY ALREADY AND MOST PEOPLE DO.    AND MOST PEOPLE WILL GET ONE NOW THAT THEY CAN.

To answer your other questions re read my posts   Bedtime here.

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Market volume has been low for 6+ months now. Anything else you want to make up? It's funny watching you embarrass yourself like this.



Newsflash horseteeth. Markets fluctuate. Look at overall.

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Newsflash horseteeth. Markets fluctuate. Look at overall.

You're not very bright, are you? 6+ months is no fluctuation.  You claimed people were trading because they feel confident and this isn't true in the least. In-fact, investor confidence continues to poll low. The market is up "overall" due to the massive amounts of free money that has been pumped into it courtesy of the FED.

Props for asserting "facts" that you pulled out of thin air.

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Of course premiums go up.Its a for profit business. Thats captialism...you dont support capitialism...are you a commmy/ socialist mcway ???

And yes the bailouts are paid back and we are now able to buy our american cars again...You dont like that Mcway ???   Do you prefer hyundai?

And it took money to save the country and other countries affected by these bubbles created by the previous administration...so yes theirs a deficet...

Is any of this sinking in Mcway ???


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Are you that dense?  Its about lets keep going forward....no going back to the policies that got us here!   BTW has the republicans given us any options to the romneycare plan endorsed by obama????   Nothing....crickets...

He's not going forward.  His record sucks.  That's what the economic indicators show.   

What are the policies that got us here and how has he changed them?  One of the main reasons we're in this mess is we spend far more than we take in.  Are you saying Obama has changed that pattern?   

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Obama Campaign Sends 'Urgent' Request for Cash


2:45 PM, Jul 6, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER



An email with the subject line "Urgent," has been sent to President Obama's supporters by campaign manager Jim Messina. It's a request for campaign cash.
 
"Romney and the Republicans announced yesterday that they brought in more than $100 million in June," Messina writes. "For context, that's about what we raised in April and May combined. We're still tallying our own numbers, but this means their gap is getting wider, and if it continues at this pace, it could cost us the election."





PANIC SETTING IN 

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The auto bailouts worked? Tell that to the ghost town that was once Detroit!!

Obama's policies have FAILED, bottom line. Again,


Did he keep unemployment under 8%? PLEASE!! It's been 8% or higher for 42 months straight (9% or higher for 33 months).

Did he cut the deficit in half? HARDLY!! It's DOUBLED on his watch.

Did he keep his word not to raise taxes on the middle-class? HELL, NO!! ObamaCare and end of Bush tax cuts in 2013, enough said.

Did he lower premiums on healthcare? GET REAL!! He's trying to shaft the middle class, vets, and employers with this foolishness called ObamaCare. If it's so great, why are all these waivers going out to his political allies?


That's why ObamaCare is utter GARBAGE. It screws those who already have healthcare by JACKING UP THEIR PREMIUMS, the very thing Obama said it wouldn't do. Look what he's trying to do our vets with Tricare, as in raising their rate FOURFOLD.

Premiums have gone UP. Again, a dozen taxes in ObamaCare hit THOSE MAKING LESS THAN 250K. What part of that don't you understand?

Obama ran his mouth FOR YEARS that nobody under 250K would see their taxes go up "one single dime". That is a outright LIE, based on both ObamaCare and the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts (contrary to the media spin, this too will hit the middle class HARD).

Let's not forget GAS prices. Eight years of Bush and gas prices only exceeded $3, during his last year or so in office (10 years ago, it was under a dollar a gallon in stated like Florida and Georgia). It's been $3 or higher under Obama for YEARS.


Unemployment went down when Obama took office....it may be 8.2 but its better than the 9.2% it was originally.


And as far as the bailouts are concerned.....there was nothing Obama could do about that because they were passed during the Bush Administration.  In the game of "Hot Potato", he was left with practically no seat and I'm pissed along with a number of folks out there for the GOP wanting to wish things were worse so they could get elected.  

I saw the news today where a GOP strategist was gleefully talking about the economy saying that it was the ticket for the GOP to take back the White House....disgusting.
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Unemployment went down when Obama took office....it may be 8.2 but its better than the 9.2% it was originally.


And as far as the bailouts are concerned.....there was nothing Obama could do about that because they were passed during the Bush Administration.  In the game of "Hot Potato", he was left with practically no seat and I'm pissed along with a number of folks out there for the GOP wanting to wish things were worse so they could get elected.  

I saw the news today where a GOP strategist was gleefully talking about the economy saying that it was the ticket for the GOP to take back the White House....disgusting.

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Unemployment went down when Obama took office....it may be 8.2 but its better than the 9.2% it was originally.


And as far as the bailouts are concerned.....there was nothing Obama could do about that because they were passed during the Bush Administration.  In the game of "Hot Potato", he was left with practically no seat and I'm pissed along with a number of folks out there for the GOP wanting to wish things were worse so they could get elected.  

I saw the news today where a GOP strategist was gleefully talking about the economy saying that it was the ticket for the GOP to take back the White House....disgusting.

That's like saying 4-12 is better than 2-14 in football. You still SUCK.

As far as the economy being the ticket goes, personally, it's to the point where that strategist is RIGHT. It's going to take MAJOR PAIN to finally get some folks to see Obama for the joke and failure he really is.

If Bush or McCain had 42 straight months of 8% unemployment or higher, the media and, especially, black people would want to have him SHOT.

But, because it's Obama, every excuse on planet Earth is made for his pathetic performance. If it takes $4/gallon gas and 9% unemployment to get Obama GONE, I'm for it. I'd rather deal with four more months of this BS than FOUR MORE YEARS OF IT!!

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Unemployment went down when Obama took office....it may be 8.2 but its better than the 9.2% it was originally.


And as far as the bailouts are concerned.....there was nothing Obama could do about that because they were passed during the Bush Administration.  In the game of "Hot Potato", he was left with practically no seat and I'm pissed along with a number of folks out there for the GOP wanting to wish things were worse so they could get elected. 

I saw the news today where a GOP strategist was gleefully talking about the economy saying that it was the ticket for the GOP to take back the White House....disgusting.
the number didnt go down b/c more ppl are working vince, we have the lowest labor participation in 20 years

The number went down b/c less ppl are considered part of the labor force b/c they have stopped looking for work.

this isnt anything at all to be happy about.

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the number didnt go down b/c more ppl are working vince, we have the lowest labor participation in 20 years

The number went down b/c less ppl are considered part of the labor force b/c they have stopped looking for work.

this isnt anything at all to be happy about.

More people going on disability than getting jobs!