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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2012, 12:56:37 PM »
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You do realize in this Victorian era you lust for, you'd be a dirty jew, not allowed to partake in confederate society ???

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2012, 12:57:56 PM »
You do realize in this Victorian era you lust for, you'd be a dirty jew, not allowed to partake in confederate society ???
Leave Wes out of this, dude..

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2012, 01:01:42 PM »
LOL  :D

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2012, 01:12:11 PM »
So please explain to me the deep meaning behind Give it away, and what exactly kurt kobain was really trying to say ::)


And black sabbath were far from compressed, they were godfathers of both grunge and metal.

Sure other bands had compression even def leopard had a good bit of it, but these styles of music were not geared towards those technologies. There were other parts to it, but the all of a sudden feeling was a product of the technology.  

My point is these bands were not original, didn't even sound that much alike, but why they took over and became popular was simply the tech of the time.

that's the whole point, they wrote lyrics that were not cut and dried "party anthems", they were introspective, deeply personal and meant many things to many people.

compare that with fucking "cherry pie" LOLOL...you don't have to be Freud to know what the guy is talking about.

and the rest of your argument just doesn't make sense. you just said Sabbath are the forefathers of grunge and metal, and there was no "compression" in the 70's yet they had that same guitar sound that was aped in the early 90's. you are proving my point for me, and using it as an argument...nice work.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2012, 01:25:38 PM »
that's the whole point, they wrote lyrics that were not cut and dried "party anthems", they were introspective, deeply personal and meant many things to many people.

compare that with fucking "cherry pie" LOLOL...you don't have to be Freud to know what the guy is talking about.

and the rest of your argument just doesn't make sense. you just said Sabbath are the forefathers of grunge and metal, and there was no "compression" in the 70's yet they had that same guitar sound that was aped in the early 90's. you are proving my point for me, and using it as an argument...nice work.
I don't care about this dialogue about the deepness of the 90's, all I can say is if you think give it away by the chille peppers wasn't a party anthem your high, and kurt cobain would write about complete nonsense just as often as he would write anything about lyrics, and I don't even care about this part.

Actually my point was riff rock and throatier singing became more popular as a result of the tech, which is exactly what happened. Musicianship wise hasn't changed in over fifty years, you can here the bulk of licks played today by modern guitarist, back in the 30's more often than not. The only real change is the production techniques and the tech's availible. Big band gave way to jazz, because it didn't require large bands to make big sounds, which gave way to rock because it only needed a three peice to work.

In the 90's this sudden popularity of a made of style of music, was simply the types of things that sounded best with this technology.

We've all heard it, either you heard sandman or teen spirit in 91, and the whole world changed instantly, what it really meant was  the same old crap, but you were wowed by the production techniques, even though it was the same old thing for some reason it was just magical.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »
My personal opinion is that the whole "grunge" scene in general, and Nirvana in particular, are highly overrated.

Id go so far as to say I think Nirvana fucking sucks. But that may have something to do with me being from the Seattle area.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 01:39:49 PM »
I don't care about this dialogue about the deepness of the 90's, all I can say is if you think give it away by the chille peppers wasn't a party anthem your high, and kurt cobain would write about complete nonsense just as often as he would write anything about lyrics, and I don't even care about this part.

Actually my point was riff rock and throatier singing became more popular as a result of the tech, which is exactly what happened. Musicianship wise hasn't changed in over fifty years, you can here the bulk of licks played today by modern guitarist, back in the 30's more often than not. The only real change is the production techniques and the tech's availible. Big band gave way to jazz, because it didn't require large bands to make big sounds, which gave way to rock because it only needed a three peice to work.

In the 90's this sudden popularity of a made of style of music, was simply the types of things that sounded best with this technology.

We've all heard it, either you heard sandman or teen spirit in 91, and the whole world changed instantly, what it really meant was  the same old crap, but you were wowed by the production techniques, even though it was the same old thing for some reason it was just magical.

well that's half the reason these bands were popular. so there is no point in having a serious discussion with you.

and it's funny because aside from Alice in chains,  most Seattle bands were decidedly LO-FI in their studio approach. listen to "ten" from pearl jam, it  sounds like it could be live...there are no monster overdriven guitars to be found anywhere on the record. Same with nirvana. they have a power pop sound, but nothing that hadn't been done before...or cutting edge, just loud electric guitars, which have been around since the 60's.. it was the dynamics of the songs, the light/heavy shifts..and the SONGS that made them popular.

i hear what you are saying about studio advancements, but to say THAT's the reason alternative and grunge hit big, is silly.  people have been using power chords and overdriven guitars for decades before the early 90's...ever heard of BOSTON ?

and all music is derivative, no news there

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »
Grunge/Alt rock became big because people were sick of the manufactured "pop" that mainstream hair metal band had turned into. Grunge was the anti-hair metal music.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 01:49:25 PM »
well that's half the reason these bands were popular. so there is no point in having a serious discussion with you.

and it's funny because aside from Alice in chains,  most Seattle bands were decidedly LO-FI in their studio approach. listen to "ten" from pearl jam, it  sounds like it could be live...there are no monster overdriven guitars to be found anywhere on the record. Same with nirvana. they have a power pop sound, but nothing that hadn't been done before. it was the dynamics of the songs, the light/heavy shifts..and the SONGS that made them popular.

i hear what you are saying about studio advancements, but to say THAT's the reason alternative and grunge hit big, is silly.  people have been using power chords and overdriven guitars for decades before the early 90's...ever heard of BOSTON ?

and all music is derivative, no news there
Lol how can you mention the light heavy parts of nirvana, which is a hallmark of the compression wars, trying to hipe up a second chorus/bridge whatever, and not get that nirvana rode on the tech. Nirvana, were pretty much a punk band even they admit to it, they sounded more polished, slower tempo'd and made heavy use of dynamics all things that were the 90's sound.


I'll agree the lyrics, hair styles, the economic times were all part of this, but that is common in any other trend in music as well. To be clear what separated the grunge movement from punk/new wave/ thrash/ nu metal indie/ whatever, was the fact that it wasn't just a just trend it was a technological change.


The reason it happened only once, and won't happen again was the technology of the times. Bands will always go through rehashing the same old stuff over and over, unless it's a tech it's not the same.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 01:59:58 PM »
that's the whole point, they wrote lyrics that were not cut and dried "party anthems", they were introspective, deeply personal and meant many things to many people.

compare that with fucking "cherry pie" LOLOL...you don't have to be Freud to know what the guy is talking about.

and the rest of your argument just doesn't make sense. you just said Sabbath are the forefathers of grunge and metal, and there was no "compression" in the 70's yet they had that same guitar sound that was aped in the early 90's. you are proving my point for me, and using it as an argument...nice work.





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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2012, 02:03:25 PM »
Lol how can you mention the light heavy parts of nirvana, which is a hallmark of the compression wars, trying to hipe up a second chorus/bridge whatever, and not get that nirvana rode on the tech. Nirvana, were pretty much a punk band even they admit to it, they sounded more polished, slower tempo'd and made heavy use of dynamics all things that were the 90's sound.


I'll agree the lyrics, hair styles, the economic times were all part of this, but that is common in any other trend in music as well. To be clear what separated the grunge movement from punk/new wave/ thrash/ nu metal indie/ whatever, was the fact that it wasn't just a just trend it was a technological change.


The reason it happened only once, and won't happen again was the technology of the times. Bands will always go through rehashing the same old stuff over and over, unless it's a tech it's not the same.

I can't even talk to you anymore about this. The pixies, not nirvana..were the ones who pioneered the light/heavy music swing. nirvana was a punk band, there sound was anything but high powered studio sheen. they turned up their fucking guitars, like thousands of bands before them.  it wasn't some magic compression pedal. there guitar sounds like the sex pistols more than anything.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2012, 02:04:55 PM »
Compression was a trademark of the 80's metal sound.
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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2012, 02:07:20 PM »
Compression was a trademark of the 80's metal sound.

Thank you. jesus this kid is dense.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2012, 02:08:09 PM »
Thank you. jesus this kid is dense.

Absolutely.

The 90's trademark sound was raw "uncompressed" sound. Geez. I don't think he understands what compression is or does, until he Googles it to respond to this thread that is.
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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2012, 02:11:05 PM »
I can't even talk to you anymore about this. The pixies, not nirvana..were the ones who pioneered the light/heavy music swing. nirvana was a punk band, there sound was anything but high powered studio sheen. they turned up their fucking guitars, like thousands of bands before them.  it wasn't some magic compression pedal. there guitar sounds like the sex pistols more than anything.
When the fuck did I say they were the first to do that style, I said that style worked at teh time big difference.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »
You do realize in this Victorian era you lust for, you'd be a dirty jew, not allowed to partake in confederate society ???
Hate to break it to you, but the Jews were highly influential in the Antebellum South, Judah P. Benjamin being the Secretary of War for the Confederacy.  Also, a Jewish man is the only reason why Monticello still stands today.  Uriah P. Levy bought, restored and made sure Monticello would remain an American Landmark.  Uriah P. Levy was also the first Jewish Commodore (Highest Rank possible in the Navy) of the United States Navy and War of 1812 Hero.  He bought Monticello in 1834.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2012, 02:12:35 PM »
Absolutely.

The 90's trademark sound was raw "uncompressed" sound. Geez. I don't think he understands what compression is or does, until he Googles it to respond to this thread that is.
This is true.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2012, 02:19:30 PM »
When the fuck did I say they were the first to do that style, I said that style worked at teh time big difference.
You don`t know anything about anything you man-child.  Log off and go collect dishes at your bus-boy job at the Blue Oyster.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2012, 02:20:32 PM »
Absolutely.

The 90's trademark sound was raw "uncompressed" sound. Geez. I don't think he understands what compression is or does, until he Googles it to respond to this thread that is.
Do you wanna start comparing audio files, from the 80s versus the nineties, obviously the process started in the 80,s even I said that, but the music wasn't geared towards it. Granted compression wasn't the only technique, gating, eqing and the general overproduction techniques that were used in the zeppelin era, was part of it is aswell. Albums were geared towards cd's no longer casettes.

 

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« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2012, 02:21:48 PM »
Do you wanna start comparing audio files, from the 80s versus the nineties, obviously the process started in the 80,s even I said that, but the music wasn't geared towards it. Granted compression wasn't the only technique, gating, eqing and the general overproduction techniques that were used in the zeppelin era, was part of it is aswell. Albums were geared towards cd's no longer casettes.

 
You do realize you are arguing with a Professional Musician here whereas you are just a bus-boy at some hole in the wall.  

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2012, 02:24:42 PM »
Hate to break it to you, but the Jews were highly influential in the Antebellum South, Judah P. Benjamin being the Secretary of War for the Confederacy.  Also, a Jewish man is the only reason why Monticello still stands today.  Uriah P. Levy bought, restored and made sure Monticello would remain an American Landmark.  Uriah P. Levy was also the first Jewish Commodore (Highest Rank possible in the Navy) of the United States Navy and War of 1812 Hero.  He bought Monticello in 1834.
Eat shit numbnuts, It was a cheap jab I could care less.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2012, 02:26:54 PM »
Eat shit numbnuts, It was a cheap jab I could care less.

You mean you "couldn`t care less".

The point is, you have been shut down by those greater than you, and rather than walk away, you continue to defend and indefensible position.  Either you are mildly retarded or insane.

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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2012, 02:30:53 PM »
You mean you "couldn`t care less".

The point is, you have been shut down by those greater than you, and rather than walk away, you continue to defend and indefensible position.  Either you are mildly retarded or insane.
That person wasn't you know was it ???  

You don't know jack shit, nor does groink, and if YngiweRhoads wants talk about this and cite some actual examples, I'm all ears. And being a professional musician don't mean shit, I know more than a few, and grew up around musicians and for the record my brother is a sound engineer eat shit numb nuts.

The production techniques of albums in the 90's is well documented, just because someone's a musician, is far from a production engineer, if he got some real experience producing granted his opinion might hold some water.

Anyhow here's a list of articles.

http://performermag.com/Archives/loudness.php
http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122114058&sc=nl&cc=mn-20100102




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Re: What is the song of 'your generation'?
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2012, 02:32:04 PM »
That person wasn't you know was it ??? 

You don't know jack shit, nor does groink, and if YngiweRhoads wants talk about this and cite some actual examples, I'm all ears. And being a professional musician don't mean shit, I know more than a few, and grew up around musicians and for the record my brother is a sound engineer eat shit numb nuts.
Your lack of sentence structure sickens me.  I need a link to a moron translator in order to process your above post.