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That's a LIE!
« on: July 12, 2012, 06:36:17 PM »
You're a liar, Willard!

The web of Romney lies continues to unravel – he was at Bain Capital long after he said he left
By Eclectablog on July 12, 2012

Did you think we wouldn’t find out or what, Mitt???

There is more evidence out today showing that Mitt Romney has been lying for years about his position at Bain Capital. As I wrote about earlier this week (“Mitt Romney is lying repeatedly to hide his past as a job-killing tax cheat”), Romney’s claims that he left Bain Capital in 1999, before much of the outsourcing and company bankrupting took place, have proven to be false.

Today, the Boston Globe has a devastating new piece out titled “Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated”. In it, they reveal an additional NINE SEC filings showing that Romney was at the helm through 2002.

    Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

    Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.”


    Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

    The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date. {…}

    The Globe found nine SEC filings submitted by four different business entities after February 1999 that describe Romney as Bain Capital’s boss; some show him with managerial control over five Bain Capital entities that were formed in January 2002, according to records in Delaware, where they were incorporated.


This is not trivial stuff. If he did, indeed, lie about this, it’s a BFD.

    “You can’t say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing,” said Roberta S. Karmel, now a professor at Brooklyn Law School.

    “It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations,” Karmel continued. “Was he getting paid? He’s the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?” {…}

    “If someone invested with Bain Capital because they believed Mitt Romney was a great fund manager, and it turns out he wasn’t really doing anything, that could be considered a misrepresentation to the investor,’’ she said. “It’s a theory that could be used in a lawsuit against him.”


Indeed, some are beginning to ask whether or not he violated federal law. From Politico:

    Earlier this month, FactCheck.org stated that if Mitt Romney had not left Bain Capital in 1999, he “would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”

    FactCheck.org made that argument to dismiss complaints by President Barack Obama’s campaign, but a new Boston Globe report on Romney’s true tenure at Bain Capital — which reportedly lasted until 2002, three years longer than Romney has stated — brings FactCheck.org’s statement into sharp relief. {…}

    [FactCheck.org said at the time ]“In fact, if the Obama campaign were correct, Romney would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”


On a conference call today with reporters, Obama for America General Counsel Bob Bauer told us, “Romney IS the controlling person [according to the SEC filings]. The consequences of this misrepresentation are very, very serious.”

Also on the call was Deputy Campaign Director Steffanie Cutter. She described Mitt Romney as “playing by a different set of rules” than previous candidates for president, referring to the precedent set by Romney’s own father of releasing several years of tax returns. She described Romney as “the most secretive candidate to run for president since Richard Nixon”, referring to his hiding of tax returns, taking hard drives from state computers when he left as governor of Massachusetts, not disclosing potential conflicts of interest during his time running the Olympics and not disclosing who is his campaign fundraising bundlers are.

    At every turn, at every piece of Mitt Romney’s record or credential, whether it’s Bain, whether it’s his own personal finances, whether it’s who is raising money for him or his time in the Statehouse in Massachusetts, there is an enormous cloud over Mitt Romney’s record because of his penchant for secrecy and not wanting to be transparent and open with the American people.

David Corn at Mother Jones has even more to add to the conversation. In a blockbuster piece yesterday, he revealed that Bain Capital, under the guidance of Mitt Romney, invested millions of dollars in a Chinese firm that profited heavily from American companies outsourcing their work.

    On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in the industrial city of Dongguan, China. That August, according to another SEC filing, Brookside upped its interest in Global-Tech to 10.3 percent. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: “Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.” Each of these documents was signed by Domenic Ferrante, a managing director of Brookside and Bain. {…}

    At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad.


Note that the timing on this is even before Romney’s stated departure date from Bain in 1999.

This makes Romney’s claims that President Obama is the “Outsourcer-in-Chief” a bit laughable. As Steffanie Cutter explained during the conference call today, Mitt Romney is telling us that he is more prepared to run the country because of his business experience. Since Bain Capital’s success was largely wrapped up in downsizing American companies and sending the jobs overseas, it’s very much relevant to ask what he was involved with at Bain, when he was involved with it, and what that experience tells us about how he would run our country.

When Mitt Romney tells us that his understanding of the American economy is different than that of President Obama’s, I tend to agree. The business experience that led to his understanding of our economy would make him a dangerous president.


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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 06:39:00 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 06:42:54 PM »
you know what you're getting with romney. 

Anyone who is great at global finance is also damn good at doing all those shady things that most americans dislike about the super wealthy.

He can't just brag about how good he is "at business" without taking responsibility for the things Bain did like outsourcing. 


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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 06:49:15 PM »
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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 06:49:37 PM »
You're a liar, Willard!

The web of Romney lies continues to unravel – he was at Bain Capital long after he said he left
By Eclectablog on July 12, 2012

Did you think we wouldn’t find out or what, Mitt???

There is more evidence out today showing that Mitt Romney has been lying for years about his position at Bain Capital. As I wrote about earlier this week (“Mitt Romney is lying repeatedly to hide his past as a job-killing tax cheat”), Romney’s claims that he left Bain Capital in 1999, before much of the outsourcing and company bankrupting took place, have proven to be false.

Today, the Boston Globe has a devastating new piece out titled “Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated”. In it, they reveal an additional NINE SEC filings showing that Romney was at the helm through 2002.

    Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

    Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.”


    Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

    The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date. {…}

    The Globe found nine SEC filings submitted by four different business entities after February 1999 that describe Romney as Bain Capital’s boss; some show him with managerial control over five Bain Capital entities that were formed in January 2002, according to records in Delaware, where they were incorporated.


This is not trivial stuff. If he did, indeed, lie about this, it’s a BFD.

    “You can’t say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing,” said Roberta S. Karmel, now a professor at Brooklyn Law School.

    “It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations,” Karmel continued. “Was he getting paid? He’s the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?” {…}

    “If someone invested with Bain Capital because they believed Mitt Romney was a great fund manager, and it turns out he wasn’t really doing anything, that could be considered a misrepresentation to the investor,’’ she said. “It’s a theory that could be used in a lawsuit against him.”


Indeed, some are beginning to ask whether or not he violated federal law. From Politico:

    Earlier this month, FactCheck.org stated that if Mitt Romney had not left Bain Capital in 1999, he “would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”

    FactCheck.org made that argument to dismiss complaints by President Barack Obama’s campaign, but a new Boston Globe report on Romney’s true tenure at Bain Capital — which reportedly lasted until 2002, three years longer than Romney has stated — brings FactCheck.org’s statement into sharp relief. {…}

    [FactCheck.org said at the time ]“In fact, if the Obama campaign were correct, Romney would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”


On a conference call today with reporters, Obama for America General Counsel Bob Bauer told us, “Romney IS the controlling person [according to the SEC filings]. The consequences of this misrepresentation are very, very serious.”

Also on the call was Deputy Campaign Director Steffanie Cutter. She described Mitt Romney as “playing by a different set of rules” than previous candidates for president, referring to the precedent set by Romney’s own father of releasing several years of tax returns. She described Romney as “the most secretive candidate to run for president since Richard Nixon”, referring to his hiding of tax returns, taking hard drives from state computers when he left as governor of Massachusetts, not disclosing potential conflicts of interest during his time running the Olympics and not disclosing who is his campaign fundraising bundlers are.

    At every turn, at every piece of Mitt Romney’s record or credential, whether it’s Bain, whether it’s his own personal finances, whether it’s who is raising money for him or his time in the Statehouse in Massachusetts, there is an enormous cloud over Mitt Romney’s record because of his penchant for secrecy and not wanting to be transparent and open with the American people.

David Corn at Mother Jones has even more to add to the conversation. In a blockbuster piece yesterday, he revealed that Bain Capital, under the guidance of Mitt Romney, invested millions of dollars in a Chinese firm that profited heavily from American companies outsourcing their work.

    On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in the industrial city of Dongguan, China. That August, according to another SEC filing, Brookside upped its interest in Global-Tech to 10.3 percent. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: “Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.” Each of these documents was signed by Domenic Ferrante, a managing director of Brookside and Bain. {…}

    At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad.


Note that the timing on this is even before Romney’s stated departure date from Bain in 1999.

This makes Romney’s claims that President Obama is the “Outsourcer-in-Chief” a bit laughable. As Steffanie Cutter explained during the conference call today, Mitt Romney is telling us that he is more prepared to run the country because of his business experience. Since Bain Capital’s success was largely wrapped up in downsizing American companies and sending the jobs overseas, it’s very much relevant to ask what he was involved with at Bain, when he was involved with it, and what that experience tells us about how he would run our country.

When Mitt Romney tells us that his understanding of the American economy is different than that of President Obama’s, I tend to agree. The business experience that led to his understanding of our economy would make him a dangerous president.


Just like Russell "Rush" Simmons!  ;D






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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 06:52:20 PM »
Aside from making a complete ass yourself on a daily basis are you also into self mutilation as well?

That's your retort?
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 07:09:45 PM »
"I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation. … The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors."

–Marc B. Wolpow, former managing partner at Bain Capital, the firm where Mitt Romney was CEO, who worked closely with Romney for nine years
LOS ANGELES TIMES, 12/3/11


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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 07:23:50 PM »
This will be 500th question that no one will answer but I will try again. Five me.ONE good reason why Obama should be reelected. Even libs can't answer this....but then again we are talking about libs...haha.

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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 07:31:21 PM »
This will be 500th question that no one will answer but I will try again. Five me.ONE good reason why Obama should be reelected. Even libs can't answer this....but then again we are talking about libs...haha.

So you're choosing to not comment on the articles?...Thought so...
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 07:35:45 PM »
This will be 500th question that no one will answer but I will try again. Five me.ONE good reason why Obama should be reelected. Even libs can't answer this....but then again we are talking about libs...haha.







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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 07:37:01 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 07:40:24 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D


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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 07:43:01 PM »

NZMM looks at this as a reverse gangbang.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 07:44:06 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D

Exactly


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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2012, 09:27:31 PM »
Since no one .....again, can't answer the question, I will just say that Governor Sununu is pwning the FUCK out of Juan Williams right now on this very subject. I stand by my Benny comment....he's an idiot. Haha

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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2012, 09:50:25 PM »
so romney lied.. kinda like obama did about universal health care.. he said it was not a tax but had his lawyers argue in fromt of the supreme court that it actual was tax..  the supreme court said it was not constitutional as written but since obamas lawyers argued that it was a tax it was deemed constitutional.. so now we have obamacare that is actually ruled a tax that 76% of the cost will be paid for by those making under 200,000 a year.. so a tax on the middle class.. now tell me. if obama said it was a tax years ago before it was put to a vote do you really believe it would have passed?? hell no.. so yes, obama is also a liar.. but his lie will actually effect millions..

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2012, 09:53:17 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D

X650,000

 another lying scumbag fuck politician got busted....This is news ?

People that "talk politics", and think they are "informed".. make me fucking laugh....you will never make a difference,and they don't give a fuck what you think.

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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2012, 09:55:24 PM »
It was debunked already. Move on. This is why I asked if Benny was into self mutilation.

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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2012, 10:03:53 PM »
Mitt Romney has worked his whole life in trying to be super rich. And in the end(now) he's made about the same amount as Ken Block(200 million) the DC shoe guy who drives cars and makes really cool video's. I don't know about you people, but to me, Mitt Romney isn't really a success story.  200 million is like 1/20 of the negro Oprah is worth. If were going to vote for a guy because he's super smart about business, can the guy/chick at least be worth more than the Kardashian/Bruce Jenner clan?

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2012, 10:04:59 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D

good point

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2012, 10:32:09 PM »
Mitt Romney has worked his whole life in trying to be super rich. And in the end(now) he's made about the same amount as Ken Block(200 million) the DC shoe guy who drives cars and makes really cool video's. I don't know about you people, but to me, Mitt Romney isn't really a success story.  200 million is like 1/20 of the negro Oprah is worth. If were going to vote for a guy because he's super smart about business, can the guy/chick at least be worth more than the Kardashian/Bruce Jenner clan?


Mitt Romney was born into a super rich family, much like George W. Bush.

President Obama has worked his entire life to become successful, much like Bill Clinton







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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2012, 10:34:43 PM »
Since no one .....again, can't answer the question

ANSWER







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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2012, 10:35:39 PM »
Do any of you idiots realize that the government is controlled by big corporations and your vote means jack shit ???

LOL @ arguing about something you have no control over. :D

exactly! democrats or republicans, its all the same shit. they promise you the world, then screw you over once their in office. Instead of being divided, the people should come together against corrupted politicians. instead, idiots care about being separate (dems or repubs) and supporting their party, like that matter.
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2012, 10:37:59 PM »

Mitt Romney was born into a super rich family, much like George W. Bush.

President Obama has worked his entire life to become successful, much like Bill Clinton







WORKED?!?!?!? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Fuck that. His grades were complete shit, he got into harvard law because of his skin color. He became a professor, which many people at the school highly disagreed with the idiot being there(wow such a hard lifechanging job teaching 6 hours a week). He then became a career politician. WTF does this guy know about work???!!? Romney made his millions on his own through smart investing. Who gives a shit if he was born rich?? He was a boss on his own and turned around a lot of companies and banked because of his due diligence, risk taking, and smart investing.

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2012, 10:49:38 PM »

Mitt Romney was born into a super rich family, much like George W. Bush.

President Obama has worked his entire life to become successful, much like Bill Clinton


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That mother fucker has no clue what its like to work. Of course I'm talking about Obama.