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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2012, 10:51:00 PM »
WORKED?!?!?!? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Fuck that. His grades were complete shit, he got into harvard law because of his skin color. He became a professor, which many people at the school highly disagreed with the idiot being there(wow such a hard job lifechanging job teaching 6 hours a week). He then became a career politician. WTF does this guy know about work???!!? Romney made his millions on his own through smart investing. Who gives a shit if he was born rich?? He was a boss on his own and turned around a lot of companies and banked because of his due diligence, risk taking, and smart investing.

But did Romney make a lot of investing out of the United States?

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2012, 10:51:21 PM »
matty is right.. there have been some of his old professors that have stated that he was "lazy" and not very "energetic".. and yes old bill clinton has been quoted as saying that "obama is in over his head".. look at all the things he said in his bid to be president and look at how he has switched since being there.. even when the cbo has released new numbers on obamacare and how it will effect growth and biz in a bad way he still does not nothing to alter it.. all ego..

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2012, 10:53:10 PM »
 as for investing in the usa.. obama has sent numerous jobs overseas..  at least romney did that as a businessman.. obama has done it as our prez..

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2012, 10:59:54 PM »
WORKED?!?!?!? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Fuck that. His grades were complete shit, he got into harvard law because of his skin color.

He was elected President of the Harvard Law Review.



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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2012, 11:01:18 PM »
He was elected President of the Harvard Law Review.



Are you mentally retarded? I was talking about actually getting into Harvard. He had to transfer into Columbia because he grades were bad.

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2012, 11:04:00 PM »
as for investing in the usa.. obama has sent numerous jobs overseas..  at least romney did that as a businessman.. obama has done it as our prez..

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2012, 11:06:04 PM »
Are you mentally retarded? I was talking about actually getting into Harvard. He had to transfer into Columbia because he grades were bad.

So Columbia is an easy school to get into? What are we talking about here.?

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2012, 11:18:07 PM »
So Columbia is an easy school to get into? What are we talking about here.?
No, his grades weren't good enough to get into at first. It wasn't  a super elite school to get  in, but he was unable to at first and later had to transfer in. This is an interesting read.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/22/Exclusive-The-Vetting-Obama-Wrong-on-Columbia-Admission-Transfer-Class-Had-Low-SAT-Scores-Grades


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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2012, 05:27:52 AM »
DISASTER!





When is Willard going to release all of his tax returns?  ::)

George Romney "released 12 years of tax returns -- because, he said, and I quote -- 'one year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show,'" Biden said.
"His son has released one year of his tax returns," Biden added, "making a lie of the old adage: Like father, like son."
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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2012, 05:35:42 AM »
You're an idiot....this has been debunked.... thoroughly.   The fact that it was brought up at all is a sign of how truly desperate the Obama campaign has become.   I've seen a number of Presidential elections in my 50 years...Obama is running the dirtiest, sleaziest campaign I have ever seen. The lies, constant race baiting and personal attacks are beyond disgusting....

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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2012, 10:10:41 AM »
You're an idiot....this has been debunked.... thoroughly.   The fact that it was brought up at all is a sign of how truly desperate the Obama campaign has become.   I've seen a number of Presidential elections in my 50 years...Obama is running the dirtiest, sleaziest campaign I have ever seen. The lies, constant race baiting and personal attacks are beyond disgusting....

Absolutely. This has all been a smear from Obama's admin and their media lap dogs. It's already been debunked several times.

Give it up already.

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »
DISASTER!


When is Willard going to release all of his tax returns?  ::)

George Romney "released 12 years of tax returns -- because, he said, and I quote -- 'one year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show,'" Biden said.
"His son has released one year of his tax returns," Biden added, "making a lie of the old adage: Like father, like son."


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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2012, 10:23:04 AM »
You're a liar, Willard!

The web of Romney lies continues to unravel – he was at Bain Capital long after he said he left
By Eclectablog on July 12, 2012

Did you think we wouldn’t find out or what, Mitt???

There is more evidence out today showing that Mitt Romney has been lying for years about his position at Bain Capital. As I wrote about earlier this week (“Mitt Romney is lying repeatedly to hide his past as a job-killing tax cheat”), Romney’s claims that he left Bain Capital in 1999, before much of the outsourcing and company bankrupting took place, have proven to be false.

Today, the Boston Globe has a devastating new piece out titled “Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated”. In it, they reveal an additional NINE SEC filings showing that Romney was at the helm through 2002.

    Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

    Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.”


    Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

    The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date. {…}

    The Globe found nine SEC filings submitted by four different business entities after February 1999 that describe Romney as Bain Capital’s boss; some show him with managerial control over five Bain Capital entities that were formed in January 2002, according to records in Delaware, where they were incorporated.


This is not trivial stuff. If he did, indeed, lie about this, it’s a BFD.

    “You can’t say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing,” said Roberta S. Karmel, now a professor at Brooklyn Law School.

    “It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations,” Karmel continued. “Was he getting paid? He’s the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?” {…}

    “If someone invested with Bain Capital because they believed Mitt Romney was a great fund manager, and it turns out he wasn’t really doing anything, that could be considered a misrepresentation to the investor,’’ she said. “It’s a theory that could be used in a lawsuit against him.”


Indeed, some are beginning to ask whether or not he violated federal law. From Politico:

    Earlier this month, FactCheck.org stated that if Mitt Romney had not left Bain Capital in 1999, he “would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”

    FactCheck.org made that argument to dismiss complaints by President Barack Obama’s campaign, but a new Boston Globe report on Romney’s true tenure at Bain Capital — which reportedly lasted until 2002, three years longer than Romney has stated — brings FactCheck.org’s statement into sharp relief. {…}

    [FactCheck.org said at the time ]“In fact, if the Obama campaign were correct, Romney would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999.”


On a conference call today with reporters, Obama for America General Counsel Bob Bauer told us, “Romney IS the controlling person [according to the SEC filings]. The consequences of this misrepresentation are very, very serious.”

Also on the call was Deputy Campaign Director Steffanie Cutter. She described Mitt Romney as “playing by a different set of rules” than previous candidates for president, referring to the precedent set by Romney’s own father of releasing several years of tax returns. She described Romney as “the most secretive candidate to run for president since Richard Nixon”, referring to his hiding of tax returns, taking hard drives from state computers when he left as governor of Massachusetts, not disclosing potential conflicts of interest during his time running the Olympics and not disclosing who is his campaign fundraising bundlers are.

   At every turn, at every piece of Mitt Romney’s record or credential, whether it’s Bain, whether it’s his own personal finances, whether it’s who is raising money for him or his time in the Statehouse in Massachusetts, there is an enormous cloud over Mitt Romney’s record because of his penchant for secrecy and not wanting to be transparent and open with the American people.

David Corn at Mother Jones has even more to add to the conversation. In a blockbuster piece yesterday, he revealed that Bain Capital, under the guidance of Mitt Romney, invested millions of dollars in a Chinese firm that profited heavily from American companies outsourcing their work.

    On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in the industrial city of Dongguan, China. That August, according to another SEC filing, Brookside upped its interest in Global-Tech to 10.3 percent. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: “Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.” Each of these documents was signed by Domenic Ferrante, a managing director of Brookside and Bain. {…}

    At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad.


Note that the timing on this is even before Romney’s stated departure date from Bain in 1999.

This makes Romney’s claims that President Obama is the “Outsourcer-in-Chief” a bit laughable. As Steffanie Cutter explained during the conference call today, Mitt Romney is telling us that he is more prepared to run the country because of his business experience. Since Bain Capital’s success was largely wrapped up in downsizing American companies and sending the jobs overseas, it’s very much relevant to ask what he was involved with at Bain, when he was involved with it, and what that experience tells us about how he would run our country.

When Mitt Romney tells us that his understanding of the American economy is different than that of President Obama’s, I tend to agree. The business experience that led to his understanding of our economy would make him a dangerous president.


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FAIL:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/politics/john-king-bain/index.html

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 10:27:17 AM »
Aside from making a complete ass yourself on a daily basis are you also into self mutilation as well?

This is worth repeating. Is it even possible for a lib to remotely tell the truth?

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2012, 10:27:32 AM »
 ;)


The more everyone finds out about Mitt Romney's finances, the more questions they have. Perhaps that's why he's hiding as much as he thinks he can get away with.

Yesterday, The Boston Globe reported that Romney was still running Bain Capital two years after he claims he left the firm, directly contradicting his campaign's denial that he was involved in deals that led to layoffs, bankruptcies, and American jobs getting shipped overseas.

Either Romney filed false SEC statements or he's making false statements to the American people now.

Mitt Romney's Bain Secret Exposed
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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2012, 10:29:43 AM »
;)


The more everyone finds out about Mitt Romney's finances, the more questions they have. Perhaps that's why he's hiding as much as he thinks he can get away with.

Yesterday, The Boston Globe reported that Romney was still running Bain Capital two years after he claims he left the firm, directly contradicting his campaign's denial that he was involved in deals that led to layoffs, bankruptcies, and American jobs getting shipped overseas.

Either Romney filed false SEC statements or he's making false statements to the American people now.

Mitt Romney's Bain Secret Exposed


WRONG:  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/12/john-king-why-is-1999-so-important-to-2012/

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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 10:41:47 AM »
The elusive tax returns remain hidden
By Steve Benen
- Fri Jul 13, 2012

Former President Bill Clinton appeared on NBC's "Today" show, and acknowledged how "perplexed" he is that Mitt Romney has only disclosed his tax returns for one year. "That struck me as a little odd," Clinton said.

What's especially interesting now, however, is that Republicans don't even agree amongst themselves on this issue. Virginia Gov. Bob "Ultrasound" McDonnell (R), for example, insisted this morning that Romney has already "released everything he needs to and more." Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said largely the same thing a few days ago -- asked when Romney might release the documents, Chaffetz argued, "I think he has released them."

Other Republicans, meanwhile, see this differently. Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former RNC Chairman Michael Steele, and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) have all encouraged Romney to release more returns, as his father did, and some conservatives in the media have joined the chorus.

As for why Romney refuses to release the materials -- remember, he turned over 23 years' worth of returns to the McCain campaign, so the documents shouldn't be hard to find -- we can only speculate, but theories abound. There has been no official explanation from the candidate or his campaign team.
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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 10:42:38 AM »
But did Romney make a lot of investing out of the United States?
He made a ton of money both in and outside the US.. so what? Is there a law you are only allowed to invest in US companies when he was a private citizen???

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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2012, 10:44:00 AM »
The elusive tax returns remain hidden
By Steve Benen
- Fri Jul 13, 2012

Former President Bill Clinton appeared on NBC's "Today" show, and acknowledged how "perplexed" he is that Mitt Romney has only disclosed his tax returns for one year. "That struck me as a little odd," Clinton said.

What's especially interesting now, however, is that Republicans don't even agree amongst themselves on this issue. Virginia Gov. Bob "Ultrasound" McDonnell (R), for example, insisted this morning that Romney has already "released everything he needs to and more." Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said largely the same thing a few days ago -- asked when Romney might release the documents, Chaffetz argued, "I think he has released them."

Other Republicans, meanwhile, see this differently. Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former RNC Chairman Michael Steele, and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) have all encouraged Romney to release more returns, as his father did, and some conservatives in the media have joined the chorus.

As for why Romney refuses to release the materials -- remember, he turned over 23 years' worth of returns to the McCain campaign, so the documents shouldn't be hard to find -- we can only speculate, but theories abound. There has been no official explanation from the candidate or his campaign team.
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2012, 10:44:49 AM »
LaBolt: We're 'absolutely' after Romney's tax returns
 By BYRON TAU |
7/13/12

President Obama's campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Friday that the campaign "absolutely" was pushing the Bain issue to see Mitt Romney's tax returns.

In an interview with Fox News, LaBolt was pressed on whether the campaign's attacks on Mitt Romney's business record at Bain Capital were just a ploy.

"Is that what the Obama team is after? Is it more tax records?" host Bill Hemmer asked.

"Mitt Romney is the most secretive candidate we've seen since Richard Nixon. Mitt Romney provided John McCain 23 years worth of returns when he was being vetted for vice president but he's only shared with the American people one year worth of returns," LaBolt said, saying they "absolutely" were pushing the issue to see the tax returns.

"Either Mitt Romney misrepresented his tenure at Bain to the SEC or he misrepresented it to the voters of Massachusetts," LaBolt said. "If he released more documents, like further tax returns, we would know the extend of his involvement at Bain during this period, if he released board minutes, we'd know the extent of his involvement at Bain."

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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2012, 10:58:09 AM »
Democrats are going to have to make an interesting choice...do you completely abandon your principles and sacrifice your party's ability to ever claim the moral high ground by following this sleazy thug into the gutter or do you man up, recognize that Obama is a morally bankrupt incompetent who's willing to sacrifice your party for his gain and disown him.  It's your choice....

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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2012, 11:09:06 AM »
Why Romney's Quit Date at Bain Matters


Jul 12, 2012

In every campaign he's run in the last 10 years, Mitt Romney has claimed he made a clean break from Bain Capital in February 1999 as a way to defend himself from charges that he laid off workers and outsourced jobs overseas. But more and more evidence is mounting that the break wasn't so clean. Romney was listed as Bain's "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president" on Securities and Exchange Commission filings until 2002, the Boston Globe's Callum Borchers and Christopher Rowland report Thursday. Further, Massachusetts state documents show that Romney owned 100 percent of Bain in 2002, and that he earned at least $100,000 as an executive of Bain in 2001 and 2002. That follows a Vanity Fair report earlier this month showing that Romney still gets income from Bain -- $2 million in June alone, and investments in the firm's Cayman Island funds could be worth as much as $30 million. And Mother Jones found that November 1999 SEC filings concerning Bain's deal with Stericycle state that Romney "may be deemed to share voting and dispositive power with respect to" more than 2 million shares of Stericycle stock "in his capacity as sole shareholder" of the Bain entities involved.

Romney's campaign says Romney's name was still on the paperwork for legal technicalities, and that it doesn't really mean he was there. But former SEC commissioner Roberta S. Karmel told the Globe that claim strains credulity:

    "You can’t say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing… It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations. Was he getting paid? He’s the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?"

This is how the paper describes the Romney campaign's response:

    A Romney campaign official, who requested anonymity to discuss the SEC filings, acknowledged that they “do not square with common sense.”

So what? Three reasons why it matters:

Outsourcing. There are two Democratic attacks that Romney has defended himself from by citing the 1999 departure date from Bain: that he's an outsourcer and that he's a corporate raider. President Obama's ad calling Romney an "outsourcing pioneer" are based on a June 21 Washington Post story looking at how Bain, led by Romney, was an early outsourcer. FactCheck.org rates the Obama commercial false, because much of the outsourcing happened after 1999. For example, Bain didn't become a majority shareholder in Stream International, which set up call centers overseas, until later in 1999. A subsidiary created by the deal, Modus Media, closed a California plant in 2000 and opened one up in Guadalajara, Mexico. Again, FactCheck.org rated the Obama ad based on the Modus outsourcing false, because Romney said he'd left Bain in 1999. The same goes for SMTC, which closed plants in Denver and opened them up in Mexico in 2001.

Corporate raiding. As for the corporate raider charge, Obama's campaign says Bain took over companies, extracted huge fees, and then let them fail. One example is Ampad, which NPR's Planet Money has cited as an example of private equity gone wrong. Bain bought the paper company in 1992, took on a ton of debt, and the promised turnaround never happened. Instead, Planet Money explains, workers lost their jobs, stockholders were "wiped out," and lenders "got back a fraction of what they were owed." But so what? Ampad declared bankruptcy in January 2000, almost a year after Romney's official quit date. But the Globe's report makes that more complicated. Likewise, GS Industries, which Bain formed in the early 1990s by merging multiple steel plants, went bankrupt in 2001, "two years after Romney left Bain," as the Los Angeles Times reported. Or one year before he left?

Legal issues. There are legal implications no matter which date is correct. Romney's most recent federal financial disclosure form says that "Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way." Earlier this month, in evaluating the truth of an ad by President Obama's campaign calling Romney an outsourcer, FactCheck.org said that if Romney hadn't really left Bain when he said he did, "then Romney is guilty of lying on official federal disclosure forms, committing a felony."

But the Boston Globe says that if he did leave in 1999, and kept being listed as controlling the firm, that could be problematic too. Former SEC commissioner Roberta S. Karmel told the Globe:

    "If someone invested with Bain Capital because they believed Mitt Romney was a great fund manager, and it turns out he wasn’t really doing anything, that could be considered a misrepresentation to the investor... It’s a theory that could be used in a lawsuit against him."
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Re: That's a LIE!
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2012, 11:21:26 AM »
With all of.the blatant lies that Obama has told in the past 31/2 years (proven lies ) shows the lack of integrity of the people who vote for him.