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tonymctones

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2012, 04:11:02 PM »
lets ignore for the moment that fact that one of the most respected accounting/consulting firm in the world says we could lose 700K jobs.

so you are in favor of making everyone pay income tax then? not just the "wealthy"?

I assume you know that the majority of the country doesnt pay federal income tax and that many actually get money back?

so you would make sure they dont get money back and actually pay in?

no answer whork?

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2012, 09:59:10 AM »
lets ignore for the moment that fact that one of the most respected accounting/consulting firm in the world says we could lose 700K jobs.

so you are in favor of making everyone pay income tax then? not just the "wealthy"?

I assume you know that the majority of the country doesnt pay federal income tax and that many actually get money back?

so you would make sure they dont get money back and actually pay in?



If you want me to answer you need to speak truth and accept facts first:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/89076/the-tax-freeloader-myth


You have bought a lie my friend i really hope you are filthy rich otherwise you look very stupid now

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2012, 05:25:12 PM »

If you want me to answer you need to speak truth and accept facts first:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/89076/the-tax-freeloader-myth


You have bought a lie my friend i really hope you are filthy rich otherwise you look very stupid now

I dont believe I ever said 50% dont pay any taxes. I said 50% dont pay federal income tax...

from your own link "The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax "

you see you want to pick and choose but the fact is obama wants to raise the FEDERAL INCOME TAX level and 50% dont pay any federal income tax

you need to accept facts!!!!

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2012, 05:28:28 AM »
I dont believe I ever said 50% dont pay any taxes. I said 50% dont pay federal income tax...

from your own link "The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax "

you see you want to pick and choose but the fact is obama wants to raise the FEDERAL INCOME TAX level and 50% dont pay any federal income tax

you need to accept facts!!!!


•Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In a year like 2009, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2012, 08:25:35 AM »

•Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In a year like 2009, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)

AND???????

you first said the number was wrong and now that its been shown to be true you try and justify it?

fuking really?

the point is that 50% of ppl dont pay federal income tax, many actually get money back...

would you make sure that they actually pay to make it "fair" or are you only for making sure the "rich" pay more then the something like 90% of the federal income tax collected already?

you are the one who needs to get their facts straight whork. If you want to take money away from the rich b/c the have more then fine, but dont sit there and act like its in an attempt to be fucking fair.

they already pay like 90% of whats collected while 50% of the population pay no federal income tax.

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2012, 08:26:27 AM »
So raising taxes on the filthy rich is punishing productive behaviour?

I dont see the rich working hard do you? I see them flying around in jets and shit

How do you think "the filthy rich" got that way?

What earns money in a free market? PRODUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. That includes not only manual work - which is what you seem to be equating productive behavior to - but, among other things, investing in assets and managing the productive activities of others. "The filthy rich" got that way because they engage in these last two activities I mentioned, which tend to be the MOST productive activities one can engage in.

If you really think that Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Henry Ford, etc. got "filthy rich" by "flying around in jets and shit" then you are completely detached from reality.

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2012, 08:38:07 AM »
How do you think "the filthy rich" got that way?

What earns money in a free market? PRODUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. That includes not only manual work - which is what you seem to be equating productive behavior to - but, among other things, investing in assets and managing the productive activities of others. "The filthy rich" got that way because they engage in these last two activities I mentioned, which tend to be the MOST productive activities one can engage in.

If you really think that Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Henry Ford, etc. got "filthy rich" by "flying around in jets and shit" then you are completely detached from reality.
Rich people dont get rich by sitting on their ass smoking cigars.
That comes AFTER they've made their fortune.  ;D

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2012, 08:41:02 AM »
lets ignore for the moment that fact that one of the most respected accounting/consulting firm in the world says we could lose 700K jobs.

so you are in favor of making everyone pay income tax then? not just the "wealthy"?

I assume you know that the majority of the country doesnt pay federal income tax and that many actually get money back?

so you would make sure they dont get money back and actually pay in?

Bump for an answer...

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2012, 02:49:23 AM »
How do you think "the filthy rich" got that way?

What earns money in a free market? PRODUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. That includes not only manual work - which is what you seem to be equating productive behavior to - but, among other things, investing in assets and managing the productive activities of others. "The filthy rich" got that way because they engage in these last two activities I mentioned, which tend to be the MOST productive activities one can engage in.

If you really think that Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Henry Ford, etc. got "filthy rich" by "flying around in jets and shit" then you are completely detached from reality.

True but doesnt mean shit if the productive behaviour takes place in India now does it?

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2012, 04:19:05 AM »
True but doesnt mean shit if the productive behaviour takes place in India now does it?

actually it does, where do you think the money they make is deposited in banks?

what do you think the banks do with that money?

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2012, 07:59:31 AM »
Obama: Letting People Keep Their Own Money Is a "Giveaway" from the Government
 ATR ^ | 2012-07-27 | Ryan Ellis

Posted on Monday, July 30, 2012 10:46:11

On Wednesday, President Obama argued that not raising taxes on certain households amounts to a "giveaway" from the government.

On Thursday, White House spokesman Jay Carney repeated and defended the term "giveaway."

Chalk it up as another example of a "You didn't build that" worldview.

During the Thursday press briefing, ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper asked Carney why the White House uses the term "giveaway":



Jake Tapper: You used the word "giveaway", and President Obama, in his statement yesterday, used the word "giveaway," referring to the extension of the lower Bush tax cut rates for I guess the top 1 or 2 percent of the country -- people making over $200,000 a year, or couples making $250,000. What do you say to a small business owner who says, that's not a giveaway, that's my money, and by the way, I'm going to need some of that money in order to help pay the health care of individuals that I'm now mandated to do? It's not giving anything away, it's allowing me to keep my money.

Carney repeatedly defended the term and then pivoted to misleading talking points about small businesses:

Carney: "97 percent of people who file -- small businesses that file taxes under the individual tax code will receive this tax cut."

Reality: Only in Washington is preventing a tax increase from happening considered a "tax cut." If your tax rate and tax burden is the same next year as it is this year, you didn't get a tax cut. You simply didn't have your taxes raised.

The White House is correct that most people with small business income make less than $200,000 per year. But the majority of small employer profits do face taxation in the tax brackets President Obama wants to raise. These businesses employ a majority of all workers in the small business sector. Finally, 3 percent of small businesses is still 1 million small businesses all across America (i.e., the job-creating and successful ones) facing higher marginal income tax rates.



Carney: "The President believes that small businesses are so important that he has dedicated a lot of energy and focus on providing tax credits and tax incentives and tax cuts to small businesses throughout his three and a half years in office."

Reality: Really? Do most job-creating small employers think that the Obama Administration has been a boon for them? It's true that Obama didn't shrink the small business "Section 179" expensing levels he inherited, but that's hardly a tax cut for small business. He also put in place a small employer health credit that is so complicated, no one is actually using it.

At the same time, the Obama Administration is urging a hike in the marginal tax rate on 1 million small businesses. These businesses earn the majority of small employer profits, and employ the overwhelming majority of Americans working for a small business.

Then there's Obamacare. There are 20 new or higher taxes in that law, totaling $1 trillion in net tax hikes. One was repealed already--onerous reporting requirements on small business (Carney is likely claiming credit for that, too). But there's still the employer mandate, the tax hike on small medical device manufactuers, the tanning tax (all of those businesses are small), and the increase in the Medicare payroll tax rate (which many small business owners pay on every penny of earnings). Most small business owners would prefer that President Obama stop "helping" them, in fact.

This is just another example of how President Obama's White House believes that small business owners "didn't build that," and how the government letting small employers keep their own money is a "giveaway."

The full transcript of Carney's press briefing can be found here.

Read more: http://atr.org/obama-letting-people-their-own-money-a7078#ixzz227JzHh9b

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2012, 09:02:46 AM »
True but doesnt mean shit if the productive behaviour takes place in India now does it?


Oh, it does improve our living standards. Try giving up buying foreign goods for good and we'll see how quickly your living standards plummet.

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2012, 03:48:25 PM »
1. Bush tax cut expiration - Obama has stated that he wishes to extend the Bush tax cuts for those earning under $250,000 for one year. Read that again. That means that in the beginning of 2014, middle and lower-income individuals can expect to see their tax bills increase.

2. Payroll tax cut expiration - The payroll tax cuts for middle and lower-income individuals are set to expire in the beginning of 2013.

3. Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan Tax - Starting in 2018, there will be a 40% tax on comprehensive health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family) thanks to Obamacare. This tax is expected to hit a lot of unionized blue collar workers. This is a $32 billion tax hike.

4. High Medical Bills Tax - Starting in 2013,  the deduction for medical bills exceeding 7.5% of an individual's adjusted gross income will be cut: the threshold for medical deductions will be raised to 10% of adjusted gross income. This is a $15.2 billion tax hike on the sick.

5. Medicine Cabinet Tax - Americans are no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

6. HSA Withdrawal Tax - Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

7. Special Needs Kids Tax - Beginning of 2013, imposes cap of $2500 (Indexed to inflation after 2013) on FSAs (now unlimited). . There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.  There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.  Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
YAY TAXES!!!!

Cant wait to pay more b/c we all know the govt is under funded and in dire need of more money.

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2012, 08:16:17 PM »
Bump for the middle class tax haters

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2012, 08:33:33 PM »
WHO LOVES TAXES???

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Re: Obama's Middle Class Tax Hikes
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2012, 05:10:41 PM »
Bump for the liberals who hate middle class tax hikes...