Author Topic: Is Obama to blame for outsourcing from companies that got Stimulus funding?  (Read 4149 times)

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I would like to see where 240 and blacken sit on this issue?

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I would like to see where 240 and blacken sit on this issue?

You be the judge? 

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Obama: Being President Means Being "Responsible For Your Operations"




SCOTT THUMAN, WJLA-TV: What about Bain Capital? It's a big issue for the past 24 hours right now. Mitt Romney's campaign says he left in '99, yours says it's 2000, there's a significant difference, is he being dishonest with the American public?
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Well, here's what I know, we were just talking about responsibility and as president of the United States, it's pretty clear to me that I'm responsible for folks who are working in the federal government and you know, Harry Truman said the buck stops with you.
 
Now, my understanding is that Mr. Romney attested to the SEC, multiple times, that he was the chairman, CEO and president of Bain Capital and I think most Americans figure if you are the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does.
 
Ultimately Mr. Romney, I think, is going to have to answer those questions, because if he aspires to being president one of the things you learn is, you are ultimately responsible for the conduct of your operations, but again that's probably a question that he's going to have to answer and I think that's a legitimate part of the campaign.
 
SCOTT THUMAN: And you think he should answer that soon?
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Yeah, absolutely.

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you know you have the repubs on the ropes now  :D :D :D :D

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you know you have the repubs on the ropes now  :D :D :D :D
not quite the response I was looking for.

So blacken I take it you dont blame obama for outsourcing that happened due to stimulus money?

why not?

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no compnay that outsources should have enjoyed that money, i'm cool with that.

i love the idea of DOUBLING the bush tax cuts - but ONLY for companies doing business here.

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I would like to see where 240 and blacken sit on this issue?

the answer to your question in the title of your thread is no


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Yes or no please explain why.

Insults and attacks to a minimum.

Pure attacks = instant removal.

Cut and paste only = subject to instant removal

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the answer to your question in the title of your thread is no
why?

why is it ok to blame romney for the outsourcing that happend with companies owned by bain capital even though he may not have been with bain at the time?

or are you against that as well?

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no legit responses?

hmmm

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no legit responses?

hmmm

Any truth to this?


Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:
 
Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.
 



If this IS true why in the hell do we give tax break for companies to ship jobs over seas?

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Any truth to this?



If this IS true why in the hell do we give tax break for companies to ship jobs over seas?


Clueless.

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Clueless.

You gonna explain why or are you just gonna be a dumb jack ass as usual?

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Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:
 
Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.
 



Bump for Tony and 240

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Any truth to this?



If this IS true why in the hell do we give tax break for companies to ship jobs over seas?
political posturing, were these bills tied to raising taxes on individuals here at home?

trust Oz dont take what 240 posts at face value.

240 please link us to these bills.


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Any truth to this?



If this IS true why in the hell do we give tax break for companies to ship jobs over seas?

Because republicans is in the pocket of these companies and yet they claim its Obama thats is crippling the economy.

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Obama has investments in companies that ship jobs overseas

July 17, 2012


Senior Editorial Writer
The Washington Examiner
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President Obama has accused Mitt Romney of raking in profits from investing in companies that ship American jobs overseas, but according to his most recent financial disclosure, he and First Lady Michelle Obama have hundreds of thousands of dollars in a mutual fund that has large holdings in corporations that outsource jobs.

“(Romney) invested in companies that have been called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing,” Obama said at a Saturday campaign event in Glen Allen, Va. “I don’t want a pioneer in outsourcing. I want some insourcing.”
 
But Obama’s own portfolio shows a willingness to invest in American corporations that have shifted employment overseas.
 
In his most recent financial disclosure from 2011, Obama and his wife reported having between $200,000 and $450,000 in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, which invests in the largest U.S. corporations. According to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, as of Sept. 30, 2011, the fund’s biggest holding was 8,272,039 shares of Apple Inc., then valued at $3.2 billion.
 
The New York Times reported in January:
 

Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas….
 
“Apple’s an example of why it’s so hard to create middle-class jobs in the U.S. now,” said Jared Bernstein, who until last year was an economic adviser to the White House.
 
“If it’s the pinnacle of capitalism, we should be worried.”
 
The mutual fund that the Obamas have invested in also held 94,582,281 million shares of General Electric, valued at $1.4 billion, as of the SEC filing. The multinational conglomorate has a long history of outsourcing – according to a new book  cited by the New York Times, in 1989, “G.E. became the first U.S. company to outsource software work to India.” Obama also has close ties to GE’s CEO, Jeffrey Immelt, who was appointed as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers last year.
 
In addition to Apple and GE, the Obamas’ fund listed 10,655,961 shares of International Business Machines, valued at $1.9 billion. As the Wall Street Journal reported in 2009, “The technology giant has been steadily building its work force in India and other locations while reducing the number of workers based in the U.S. Foreign workers accounted for 71% of Big Blue’s nearly 400,000 employees at the start of the year, up from about 65% in 2006.”
 
The point in this is not to say outsourcing is wrong. Corporations are supposed to maximize profits for shareholders. But Obama’s own portfolio shows that despite his heated rhetoric, he makes investment decisions without regard to whether companies are outsourcing.
 
You can look at a full list of the fund’s holdings as of Sept. 30, 2011, here.


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Obama’s Offshore Team
 National Review ^ | 07/18/2012 | Betsy Woodruff

Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:13:26 AM by SeekAndFind

In one of the president’s latest campaign commercials — an ominous spot that looks a bit like the trailer to a B-grade horror movie — Mitt Romney gets some flak for his offshore bank accounts. Apparently, keeping money in places like the Bahamas and the Cayman Islands is a sign that one might not be the most upstanding citizen.

This raises a question: Why do some of the president’s wealthiest donors use the same strategies this commercial decries?

At least five of the president’s “bundlers” — in lay terms, people who form groups with their acquaintances and pool funds in order to donate significant sums to campaigns — run firms that keep some of their money in tax havens such as Luxembourg, the Cayman Islands, and Bermuda. This is exactly the same behavior for which the president’s ad condemns Romney.

Though politicians don’t disclose the specific amount of money in each bundle, records give ranges of how much bundlers have funneled to the president’s reelection campaign, with $500,000 or more as the highest range displayed. Michael Sacks, one of the president’s top bundlers, is responsible for collecting at least $500,000 for Obama’s reelection campaign. Sacks is the CEO of Grosvenor Capital Management, a hedge fund that has offices in London, Tokyo, and Chicago, and he resides in the prosperous village of Winnetka, Ill., just north of Chicago. One of his funds, the Grosvenor Registered Multi-Strategy Fund, LLC, has authorized “certain in-kind transactions” with the Grosvenor Multi-Strategy Offshore Fund, Ltd., a fund conveniently located in the lovely Cayman Islands — known for their sparkling beaches, for their first-class snorkeling, and for being one of the world’s largest offshore financial centers, as the president’s ad points out.

Sacks isn’t the only substantial Obama donor with a tropical outpost. Farallon Capital Management is one of the largest hedge funds in the world and has a handy location in the Caymans — and its founder, Tom Steyer, has directed between $50,000 and $100,000 to the president’s reelection efforts. His son Sam, while a student at Harvard in 2008, appears to have given $28,500 to the president as well. Generosity must run in the family.

Sacks and the Steyers, of course, aren’t the only ones participating in a system their chosen candidate vocally criticizes. New York’s Mark Gallogly, cofounder of Centerbridge Partners, has sent a bundle of $200,000 to $500,000 Obama’s way. And we can only guess what benefits Gallogly’s firm derives from Centerbridge Credit Partners Master, LP, a Cayman Islands corporation.

The Caymans don’t have a monopoly on tax-havenry, as Blair Effron, another $500,000-plus bundler for the president, could tell you. In 2006, soon after Effron founded Centerview Partners, Centerview’s private-equity fund made a $50 million investment in Nielsen, the American ratings company, via an investment vehicle called Valcon Acquisition Holding, SARL. Valcon’s home address? Fifty-nine rue de Rollingergrund, L-2440, Luxembourg. Luxembourg, a tax haven, was the chosen location for this deal and for Nielsen’s previous private-equity buyout, earlier in 2006, by a variety of Caymans-based firms. Effron’s choice of the grand duchy as an investment locale hasn’t gotten a campaign-ad shout-out yet.

Then there’s Jonathan Lavine, who has raised between $100,000 and $200,000 for the president’s reelection campaign and who made the maximum personal donation of $35,800. It’s quite curious that he supports the president, since he is the chief investment officer of Sankaty Advisors, Bain Capital’s credit-investment affiliate. Sankaty — as we all know by now, thanks to the president’s ad — spreads its money all over, managing many offshore funds and corporations. These include Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors, LLC, which maintains a relationship with Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors, Ltd., a Bermuda corporation wholly owned by Romney that has received much condemnation as a shadowy vehicle. Vanity Fair lamented that “we have no idea what is in this company.” Perhaps someone at the White House could just ask Lavine next time he comes over — he has visited five times over the past three years, including once in June 2009 for a personal meeting with Rahm Emanuel.

And here’s another great thing about Jonathan Lavine: He seems to have overseen the Ampad takeover of a small Indiana office-supply company that the president highlighted in an attack on Romney in May. You could be forgiven for wondering why the Obama campaign is devoted to attacking the handiwork of its top supporters.

— Betsy Woodruff is a William F. Buckley Fellow at the National Review Institute.

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How Obama can try and make an issue over outsourcing with a record like this is just crazy. 

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How Obama can try and make an issue over outsourcing with a record like this is just crazy. 

Obama is campaigning for his base since they buy into his shit show hook line and sinker. 

Just look at 180, vince, blackass, etc? 

Have you ever seen such a bunch willing to be treated like dirt and still beg for more? 


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Bump bitches


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/bill-to-tax-firms-that-of_n_741902.html

honestly a tax on this isnt the way to go, a tax credit for firms that produce jobs here is the way to go.

I know you wont understand this entirely but a tax is a penalty which will does not make it cheaper to produce things here in the US it will undoubtedly cause some to companies to not outsource but it will also cause others to not take on projects b/c the cost of doing them here in the US is not worth it and b/c of this tax the cost of outsourcing some of the work is not worth it.

A tax credit, makes it cheaper to do things here in the US which is what needs to happen. If you make it cheaper more projects will be taken on and more projects will stay here.

I seriously doubt i explained that well enough but then again I seriously doubt you want an actual conversation.

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honestly a tax on this isnt the way to go, a tax credit for firms that produce jobs here is the way to go.

I know you wont understand this entirely but a tax is a penalty which will does not make it cheaper to produce things here in the US it will undoubtedly cause some to companies to not outsource but it will also cause others to not take on projects b/c the cost of doing them here in the US is not worth it and b/c of this tax the cost of outsourcing some of the work is not worth it.

A tax credit, makes it cheaper to do things here in the US which is what needs to happen. If you make it cheaper more projects will be taken on and more projects will stay here.

I seriously doubt i explained that well enough but then again I seriously doubt you want an actual conversation.

Or they'll just find a way around it.

Better to give them a way around taxes by giving them a credit for doing it here, than for trying to punish them if they go overseas.

But they'll never go for it, they'd rather penalize people and rake in more tax dollars that give them a tax credit for keeping work here and possibly losing money.

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Of course. Instead of making it so businesses should WANT to create jobs here they choose to go the opposite direction. Color me surprised. No wonder places like Singapore and Hong Kong (ranked as the 1 and 2 most free economies in the world) have done decently in this recession via low tax rates and regulations while the USA and Europe trudge along in mediocrity.