Why we need socialism in America

[pedro01]

It's worked everywhere else.  

It's just like my boss.  I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money.  All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him.  The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.  

Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor.  We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around.  I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."

Dude - I admire you wanting to take action & all

BUT

Savings account with your girlfriend - do you know know how that's going to pan out long term?

And errrr - what makes you think your boss will lose any sleep when he loses you as a hired hand?

Issues. Definitely. Future & present.

[pedro01]

   HOW is getting a savings account with your girlfreind some kind of stepping stone to having the knowledge, contacts, experience, reputation and the willingness  to take the business risk that your boss does.? A fricking savings account does not qualify you to "order people around"

I think his girlfriend is doing the ordering by the sound of things.

Poor schmuck - getting bossed around at home & work....

[phreak]

And errrr - what makes you think your boss will lose any sleep when he loses you as a hired hand?

Because his boss can't find an even cheaper hispanic replacement?

[pedro01]

Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass?  I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks.  You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night?  Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money.  My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account.  All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.

You mean an ATM?

[phreak]

To be somewhat on topic: Yes, every country needs socialism to a degree. To be specific: every country needs democratic socialism -- but not revolutionary socialism. The opportunities to excel should be balanced by adequate safety nets for those who fail to excel. The fact is we cannot all excel, so people who 'lose' the rat race should be taken care of decently. not out of the goodness of our hearts, but because it is cheaper than the alternative. Ghettos and the people in them represent a waste of capital that could be put to good use.

My personal view: a decent living wage, health care and schooling for all those who CANNOT work, decent health care and nothing else for those WILL NOT work. Also I would support the government being able to force people to work. If you're living off the government's money, you are an employee who should do as told. As soon as you stop receiving government assistance, you get your freedom back. Again: the exception being people who are handicapped and are simply not able to work.

But in general, I think it is absurd that immigrants are needed for jobs where healthy, unemployed citizens are so numerous.

[muscularny]

bunch of jealous people lol

find it ironic people bashing million dollar homes while sitting in their mommies basement

[Method101]

There is something disgusting about a rich jew with a white woman half his age being defended by getbig. If this is freedom then freedom can go to hell

[Griffith]

Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.

Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.

The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?

As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.

[phreak]

Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.

Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.

The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?

Yes, it's a stopgap. Just like every other form of government, ever. Consider the alternative. Cut off the money supply to the have-nots. Then you have a violent, nationwide revolution where tremendous amounts of capital are destroyed. The end result being, that NOBODY has anything. So keeping the poor happy is a very utilitarian goal, not a pinko dream.

As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.

Who else should have that power and control? Those poor masses can't even help themselves, so they certainly shouldn't have control.

[Parker]

Sooo, because this dude is rich, worked hard to get it, he can't spend his money how he wants?  That's stupid. We live in a capitalist society where greed is good. Greed drives innovation. This house is just a byproduct of that.

Greed is not good, by stating that, the greedy obese man/woman by definition is good, healthy and should be what we all aspire to. Moderation is best, even in a capitalist society.
Greed doesn't necessarily drive innovation. One can say, a greedy peson becomes innovative due to his necessity to feed his greed (like any other addiction).

[phreak]

Greed is not good, by stating that, the greedy obese man/woman by definition is good, healthy and should be what we all aspire to. Moderation is best, even in a capitalist society.
Greed doesn't necessarily drive innovation. One can say, a greedy peson becomes innovative due to his necessity to feed his greed (like any other addiction).

All scientific advances are made by crack whores.

[Griffith]

Yes, it's a stopgap. Just like every other form of government, ever. Consider the alternative. Cut off the money supply to the have-nots. Then you have a violent, nationwide revolution where tremendous amounts of capital are destroyed. The end result being, that NOBODY has anything. So keeping the poor happy is a very utilitarian goal, not a pinko dream.
Who else should have that power and control? Those poor masses can't even help themselves, so they certainly shouldn't have control.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality.
Once the system is entrenched in society and people are used to it, taking it away would just cause chaos and a crime-wave. I'm aware of that.

With regards to your second point:
I don't believe in absolutes, but generally the balance should sway towards less central government control in society. More regional and local power as opposed to that of the state.

The problem is that once you introduce these socialist concepts, people become dependent on them and then the system is basically stuck there.

There's no such thing as 'free' housing etc....someone is always paying for it. Actually, it's mostly the working classes who are paying for it. Proportionately, the wealthy pay less tax...as in a third of their pay-check is going to hurt them far less than a third of a labourers.

Plus there's still VAT and all kinds of other taxes besides income tax.

All this lead to increased prices of everything and higher inflation. Who pays for the taxes on fuel.....? The people buying the delivered products in stores because of increased transport costs.

[phreak]

I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality.
Once the system is entrenched in society and people are used to it, taking it away would just cause chaos and a crime-wave. I'm aware of that.

With regards to your second point:
I don't believe in absolutes, but generally the balance should sway towards less central government control in society. More regional and local power as opposed to that of the state.

The problem is that once you introduce these socialist concepts, people become dependent on them and then the system is basically stuck there.

There's no such thing as 'free' housing etc....someone is always paying for it. Actually, it's mostly the working classes who are paying for it. Proportionately, the wealthy pay less tax...as in a third of their pay-check is going to hurt them far less than a third of a labourers.

Plus there's still VAT and all kinds of other taxes besides income tax.

All this lead to increased prices of everything and higher inflation. Who pays for the taxes on fuel.....? The people buying the delivered products in stores because of increased transport costs.

I agree 100% with this post. I misinterpreted your previous post as being rabid "all government is evil" sentiment. Oops.

[Irongrip400]

Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass?  I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks.  You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night?  Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money.  My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account.  All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.

Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol

Obvious trolling.

[FitnessFrenzy]

They will probably never rebound financially. Las Vegas is never going to rise like it has in the past. Macau in Asia is now the world's biggest earning entertainment / Casino city earning 4  times more than Las Vegas.

[mass243]

socialism is loser talk

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Those with heart will never forget the ones who fought for better future and justice 

[orion]

That house is hideous. Shows you money can't buy style.

Here is something 10x better...

How did you find out where I live?

[kh300]

A guy who starts from nothing and work his way up and has money i respect, what i hate is spoil loser kids who just live off their dads money without doing shit they are the scum of the earth.

I disagree. There are a lot more people who get everything handed to them, that fuck it up as opposed to keeping it. Just watch the news if you don't believe me.

For example my friends dad owns his own food distribution company that he started on his own. Now he makes a fortune, and my friend is pretty much a loser, drinking and drugs take up most of his time. His father is giving him nothing of his company. This kid could have coasted through life, but struggles to keep afloat.

Every mega millions winner files for bankruptcy. Many pro athletes are dead broke. Its just very hard to keep something you didn't earn yourself.

[Irongrip400]

Fuck this worked hard bullshit, everyone should work hard. The way people worship rich people on this site is fucking bizarre.That is just some retarded understanding of economics. I'm in no way a socialist but you gotta be realistic. These guys don't create wealth they manipulate resources. Granted we very much need people to manipulate resources to keep competitive, but it doesn't mean there's any sense of honor in it. You get rich by manipulation. That may be a loaded word that signifies using people but it is what it is.

The problem with rich people is it often signifies a greater problem. If it's easy for one person to monopolize a market odds are the market has flaws that make it less competitive. Remember this manipulation is suppose to make us more competitive not less. So how can one argue that a bunch of rich people is the market functioning normally

I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.

My business partner and I put up $2,000 a piece to start our company. That paid for insurance and the lawyer fees for setting up the company as well as a small cushion. We worked full time jobs, and did our business (construction related) on our nights and weekends. We didn't take a vacation or day off for over two years. It was hard, but we were able to get it up and rolling. Now, I have a handful of employees who do the labor, but they bear no risk. I have to still get work, I have to come up with $50,000 a month to pay the bills, not them. Obviously there is some reward for bearing that responsibility. My wife and I are both hard workers, and will knock down some serious coin this year, just like the last few. Now, I have started another company with $10,000 last year, and it is starting to boom now. It is always easy to make more money once you have some, it's just gettIng over the hump. Poor decisions lead you to the hole you can't get out of, not some "rich guy" pulling all of the strings.

[Voice of Doom]

The only true government is self government, the only true religion is a private and personal one.  Everything else is force.

[Tito24]

The only true government is self government, the only true religion is a private and personal one.  Everything else is force.

hmm interadasting..

[oldtimer1]

I have nothing against anyone who makes money and enjoys it. I have a problem with people demanding the government take care of them with the workers tax dollars. The government has no money except for what they take from the workers. The slackers can go to hell. Right now takers are growing at an alarming rate and they vote. It's scary. People are finding out they can recieve social security disability for life by claiming a mental illness or a back pain. Disability payments in three years have gone through the roof.

By the way Che was evil no matter how many tee shirts have his image. He slit the throats of a lot of captured soldiers. Also the only ones who lived a good life in Cuba after the "revolution" was the ones in goverment under Castro. Everyone else suffered through poverty. If you had a decent house in Cuba it was taken from you to give to people in government to live. Anyone who made money suddenly found it was taken from them. Batista was completely corrupt but talk to any Cuban in America what they think about Che and Castro. They betrayed the trust the Cuban people put in them. By the way I am Cuban.

[JBGRAY]

Socialism is for the poor lazy sap who doesn't want to go out and get something for himself....always wanting to live on someone's else's dime....because anyone who has money or a good lifestyle obtained it by ill-gotten gains.

Guess what the US unemployment rate is for those who have Bachelors Degrees?  Guess the kind of lifestyle people have who work their asses while not making disastrously stupid decisions(abusing drugs, having children at 18, etc...)?

In the US, being poor as an adult is a decision that you make.  Since you have chosen that condition, please keep your filthy Occupy sign-waving hands out of my pockets.

I don't worry about what mega rich people have(Getbiggers).  Is there anything out there stopping you from obtaining an education?  Is there anything out there preventing you from researching a field where gainful employment could be had(no....a Masters in Minority Womens  Rights with $150k+ in debt is not smart) once your schooling is complete?  Is there anything stopping you from working an extra job while you go to school or to purchase something you may want?  The answers to all of these is no.

[dr.chimps]

Socialism is for the poor lazy sap who doesn't want to go out and get something for himself....always wanting to live on someone's else's dime....because anyone who has money or a good lifestyle obtained it by ill-gotten gains.

Guess what the US unemployment rate is for those who have Bachelors Degrees?  Guess the kind of lifestyle people have who work their asses while not making disastrously stupid decisions(abusing drugs, having children at 18, etc...)?

In the US, being poor as an adult is a decision that you make.  Since you have chosen that condition, please keep your filthy Occupy sign-waving hands out of my pockets.

I don't worry about what mega rich people have(Getbiggers).  Is there anything out there stopping you from obtaining an education?  Is there anything out there preventing you from researching a field where gainful employment could be had(no....a Masters in Minority Womens  Rights with $150k+ in debt is not smart) once your schooling is complete?  Is there anything stopping you from working an extra job while you go to school or to purchase something you may want?  The answers to all of these is no.

You sound bootstrap-ey.

[MikMaq]

I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.

But were these risks a benefit to the overall economy. If I go 1 mill indebt, and can't pay it back I'm a welfare leach, but if I shake out the other debters I'm a self made man. This system wreaks of bullshit. Would also explain the large amount of personal debt floating around out there. That's ignoring corrupt practices of those involved in the businesses themselves just to edge out another debter.

You mention once you have money it's easy to make money which again is another issue altogether.

What rewards risk is too often ignored.