Why we need socialism in America

[cephissus]

That house is hideous. Shows you money can't buy style.

Here is something 10x better...

how can you jump in that pool without it "spilling over"?  looks like there is about 3 inches of space between the surface of the water and the top of the walls...

or is it some sort of "fountain" type fixture?

[FitnessFrenzy]

I have nothing against anyone who makes money and enjoys it. I have a problem with people demanding the government take care of them with the workers tax dollars. The government has no money except for what they take from the workers. The slackers can go to hell. Right now takers are growing at an alarming rate and they vote. It's scary. People are finding out they can recieve social security disability for life by claiming a mental illness or a back pain. Disability payments in three years have gone through the roof.

By the way Che was evil no matter how many tee shirts have his image. He slit the throats of a lot of captured soldiers. Also the only ones who lived a good life in Cuba after the "revolution" was the ones in goverment under Castro. Everyone else suffered through poverty. If you had a decent house in Cuba it was taken from you to give to people in government to live. Anyone who made money suddenly found it was taken from them. Batista was completely corrupt but talk to any Cuban in America what they think about Che and Castro. They betrayed the trust the Cuban people put in them. By the way I am Cuban.

Straight facts. Thanks for bringing quality content to this thread. SRS

[Parker]

how can you jump in that pool without it "spilling over"?  looks like there is about 3 inches of space between the surface of the water and the top of the walls...

or is it some sort of "fountain" type fixture?

You can't have that house where it snows or rains often. Image 3 feet of snow on that roof. Or 3 inches of standing water.

[calfzilla]

We do need more. Better to have everyone doing ok than a handfuls of super rich living off the blood and sweat of the poor masses.

[dr.chimps]

You can't have that house where it snows or rains often. Image 3 feet of snow on that roof. Or 3 inches of standing water.

Pretty sure the architect(s) has(ve) foreseen such occurrences, at least over the short-term. Thinking Fallingwater, or Johnson's Glass House?  

[Parker]

Pretty sure the architect(s) has(ve) foreseen such occurrences, at least over the short-term. Thinking Fallingwater, or Johnson's Glass House?  

Sometimes, but even such places, if they are located in places with a good amount of snowfall, the artictect would have more angled (pitched) roofs.

I don't know too much about buildings so, I could be very wrong, but I know that the buildings in my area that had leaks due to significant rainfall or had the roof cave in, all had flat roofs ( buildins like stores, schools, etc).

[King Shizzo]

Or even this...

Fuck!  Some people live enchanted lives.  Imagine having a house like that.  It would be raining pussy!

[Irongrip400]

But were these risks a benefit to the overall economy. If I go 1 mill indebt, and can't pay it back I'm a welfare leach, but if I shake out the other debters I'm a self made man. This system wreaks of bullshit. Would also explain the large amount of personal debt floating around out there. That's ignoring corrupt practices of those involved in the businesses themselves just to edge out another debter.

You mention once you have money it's easy to make money which again is another issue altogether.

What rewards risk is too often ignored.

Dude, the majority of welfare leeches aren't people who lose a million dollars. People who take calculated risks, make good things happen. There is a difference between a calculated risk, and reckless spending. I will never be broke(knock on wood), but if I ever fell on hard times, I'd know exactly how to prop myself back up. No one can take your intelligence or drive to succeed. That's what successful peoe have on their side, they don't give up when the chips are down. This is also helped by not making stupid decisions that you can't get yourself out of, that keep compounding the problem. I got plenty of those working for me.

Now, I have a question for you, at what point do you just say to the person, "sorry, you are a fuck up, and this is you shot at life, and you screwed it up"?  See, at some point you have to let the person drown, and concentrate on yourself.

[_bruce_]

Straight facts. Thanks for bringing quality content to this thread. SRS

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[Irongrip400]

Just watched "In Time", it's clearly geared toward socialism.

[phreak]

Now, I have a question for you, at what point do you just say to the person, "sorry, you are a fuck up, and this is you shot at life, and you screwed it up"?  See, at some point you have to let the person drown, and concentrate on yourself.

The problem is this: That person then gets nothing, and is forced to either rob you at gunpoint, or rob you via taxes. The latter is just more practical for all involved. Unless you favor the South American situation, where you would have to live in a walled community, and nobody in your family can ever go outside without bodyguards and bulletproof cars.

[phreak]

The person is forced to rob you.   


Youre smart bro

Smart enough to find the apostrophe on my keyboard. But by all means, try forming a coherent rebuttal! I'll wait.



And wait.



And wait.


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[phreak]

Brilliant.  You are a force to be reckoned with, tiger.   Please enlighten us as to why people are forced to rob other people at gunpoint.  Elaborate on that little gem, please.  Hahaha. 

Ps. I laugh at you because youre a joke gimmick

So you are saying (just guessing, seen nothing but evasion yet) that unfettered crony capitalism does NOT leave 99.9% of people destitute? With only every non-1st-world country as proof positive? And you are saying that those 99.9% will all just live in ever worsening conditions without ever taking action to take back some wealth? With, again, every non-1st-world country as proof positive?

So in your world e.g. Mexico City is a great place to drive around with your car doors unlocked, you don't need locks on your house, and bodyguards for anyone being even moderately well off are only for keeping paparazzi away? Alrighty then...

[_bruce_]

What makes people think that they can get authentic socialism instead of crooked capitalism? People behind the scenes do not change, so you get the same thing under a different name.
As years go by the general dork demands yet another system where s/he has more chances to blossom.
Social fascism is en vogue because the clever ones have shaved off so much wealth that for the common citizen a more "organized" way of life is required and promoted as a antidote to all problems.

[Tito24]

[phreak]

You seem to be batshit crazy. 

In what way did you elaborate or make any kind of argument as to why people that are poor are forced to rob other people at gunpoint? 


Kindly elaborate on your point that poor people are forced to rob others at gunpoint.  These look to be the ramblings of a very out of touch individual.  Lets get you some help, delicate little butterfly. 

Again not a single rebuttal. You sound like someone who has never known any shit, and got everything handed to her. But I'm in a good mood and buzzing with caffeine, so I'll indulge you.

Let's say that you are a dejected slum dweller. You have mouths to feed. You see a small minority driving around in Ferraris. Those very same people that have made sure that your children have no access to health care, education, capital, opportunities, or a fair legal system. In that case there are three possible outcomes.

1. You accept your lot in life like a little bitch (which is what most do),
2. You work very hard to better yourself through honest hard work (a small percentage tries, but ultimately fails at near a 100% rate because of aforementioned inequality),
3. You take a piss on the people who have done this to you, and take shit by force that you cannot get any other way.


Personally I have nothing but disgust for group 1. Group 2 are good people, but deluded thinking they will ever be allowed to rise above their station. Group 3 are people who take control of their own destiny. Their methods may not be ideal, but certainly understandable. And they get shit done if there are enough of them.

[phreak]

What makes people think that they can get authentic socialism instead of crooked capitalism? People behind the scenes do not change, so you get the same thing under a different name.
As years go by the general dork demands yet another system where s/he has more chances to blossom.
Social fascism is en vogue because the clever ones have shaved off so much wealth that for the common citizen a more "organized" way of life is required and promoted as a antidote to all problems.

Now that's a very good point. Human nature does not change. However, apathetically accepting the current system because its replacement is likely to become just as bad? If lessons are learned from the past, then it is possible that the next system will be somewhat better. It's unlikely, and it may be only marginally better, but there is a small chance for improvement.

So if the lesson learned would be: kill all bankers and then start again, then why not give it a try? The current system is certainly broken, but the future is not set in stone.

[_bruce_]

Again not a single rebuttal. You sound like someone who has never known any shit, and got everything handed to her. But I'm in a good mood and buzzing with caffeine, so I'll indulge you.

Let's say that you are a dejected slum dweller. You have mouths to feed. You see a small minority driving around in Ferraris. Those very same people that have made sure that your children have no access to health care, education, capital, opportunities, or a fair legal system. In that case there are three possible outcomes.

1. You accept your lot in life like a little bitch (which is what most do),
2. You work very hard to better yourself through honest hard work (a small percentage tries, but ultimately fails at near a 100% rate because of aforementioned inequality),
3. You take a piss on the people who have done this to you, and take shit by force that you cannot get any other way.


Personally I have nothing but disgust for group 1. Group 2 are good people, but deluded thinking they will ever be allowed to rise above their station. Group 3 are people who take control of their own destiny. Their methods may not be ideal, but certainly understandable. And they get shit done if there are enough of them.

Entitlement much?

[phreak]

Entitlement much?

So if your children are starving, you'd sit back and let them starve if your 'masters' told you to? Your name is Toby!

Also, I'm pretty sure many countries have laws guaranteeing an honest judicial system to all of its citizens. So if you're not getting something which you are constitutionally mandated to get, then yes, that is entitlement.

[_bruce_]

So if your children are starving, you'd sit back and let them starve if your 'masters' told you to? Your name is Toby!

You don't have a clue on how these folks earned their money. They could have spent a lifetime earning it or none at all.
I don't like this "just take it away from those who have something" mentality.
If you had a lot of wealth, what would you realistically do with it?

[phreak]

Lol at you trying to sound intellectual.  .

To me it's not a stretch, but I can see why it would look difficult to you.

What an amzing point.  Clearly poor people are forced to rob at gunpoint.  Congratulations.  Why dont you use your mouth for what is usually used for and that is as a cock garage for your boyfriends warty cock.  Hahaha youre a joke bitch

So you would beg? Says a lot about you.

[bears]

Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.

Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.

The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?

As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.

well said.  what the OP doesn't seem to understand is that socialism is a form of government that comes at a price.  just like capitalism comes at a price.  just as corporations have seized too much power in the eyes of some doesn't he recognize that the government can hold too much power as well and also abuse that power?

it's funny to me that liberals imply that they trust government by pushing for more and more government control of the markets.  I seem to remember a time when just about half this country believed that our president planned 9/11 and murdered in cold blood thousands of innocent American civilians.  And now they want to hand over more power to that same government?

And remember.  Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, Clinton ALL voted to go to war.  Mainstream media blatantly leaves those facts out when discussing "Bush's war".  So they are handing over more power to the same people they accused of murder not even 10 years ago?  I just don't get their logic.  And i'm guessing it's because there is none to understand.

[TheGift...]

I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.

My business partner and I put up $2,000 a piece to start our company. That paid for insurance and the lawyer fees for setting up the company as well as a small cushion. We worked full time jobs, and did our business (construction related) on our nights and weekends. We didn't take a vacation or day off for over two years. It was hard, but we were able to get it up and rolling. Now, I have a handful of employees who do the labor, but they bear no risk. I have to still get work, I have to come up with $50,000 a month to pay the bills, not them. Obviously there is some reward for bearing that responsibility. My wife and I are both hard workers, and will knock down some serious coin this year, just like the last few. Now, I have started another company with $10,000 last year, and it is starting to boom now. It is always easy to make more money once you have some, it's just gettIng over the hump. Poor decisions lead you to the hole you can't get out of, not some "rich guy" pulling all of the strings.

you`re hard work with 1500 posts on GETBIG hehehe trollllll

[_bruce_]

you`re hard work with 1500 posts on GETBIG hehehe trollllll

Come down Phil 

[The Abdominal Snoman]

What comes after socialism?