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I would hope a person's interest would be piqued.

If it piques your interest, you should start thread regarding whether each sentence of every speech should be unambiguous to everyone.  You can also start a thread (or ask both questions) about the reasoning used by politicians and speech writers for choosing the particular words they use.  


The answer should be much further-reaching than whether "Criminal 1" or "Criminal 2" will assume the role of winner.


That isn't what this thread is about.  THIS thread started on July 17, IS about 333 laughing at Obama's quote, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."  Then, on July 18, Romney agreed with Obama.  It killed 333's thread and portrayed him as very uninformed, since he continued to solely insult Obama for his position (NOT Obama's reasoning for using those particular words [see below]).

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Posted on July 15, 2012


Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"



This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say.   

Insane beyond words. 


333 did NOT say, "Obama's reasoning for using these particular words was..." Thus, we are NOT debating in THIS thread whether 333 is correct or not regarding his opinion about Obama's "reasoning" for using those particular words.  This thread is much more elementary than that (see his above quote).




Again, feel free to start a thread about whether each sentence of every speech should be unambiguous to everyone and/or the reasoning behind each word used.  I am not going to speculate about Obama or Romney's reasoning for using particular words.

      


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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.

(By the way, you are changing the words in all your posts so quickly, it's hard to keep up with what you're trying to say.)

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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.

(By the way, you are changing the words in all your posts so quickly, it's hard to keep up with what you're trying to say.)

Once Romney agreed with him, the issue was moot.  The only arguments left with regard to this issue is that both are morons or that both are geniuses. 

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The thread is about Obama's comments, SLYY.

The thread, as started by 333, is about this comment "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own" and 333's opinion that "This is really one of the dumbest things i have ever heard him say."

Again, once Romney agreed with him, the issue was moot.  You can STILL ARGUE it's the dumbest thing Obama has said, but you have to acknowledge that it is one of the dumbest things Romney has said as well.  

  

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I wonder how "dumb" it is.

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I wonder how "dumb" it is.

Since we have no other Presidential candidate besides Romney and Obama that has a chance at winning, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is."  Your personal opinion (or all of getbig's for that matter) can range from extremely "intelligent" to extremely "idiotic."  Regardless, the next President of the United States will be of the opinion that people need the government and/or other outside sources to become successful.   

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Since we have no other Presidential candidate besides Romney and Obama that has a chance at winning, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is.   

I'd have to say the exact opposite would be true.

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I'd have to say the exact opposite would be true.

Actually, it does not matter "how 'dumb' it is" for the simple reason that you cannot do anything about it. 
 

Whether you like it or not, your next President will be of the opinion that people need the government and/or other outside sources to become successful.

Again, you either agree with BOTH or disagree with BOTH candidates. 
     

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You can't see past this one argument, SLYY.  If you expect any "right-winger" from the board to come around, you'll have a long wait.

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You can't see past this one argument, SLYY.  If you expect any "right-winger" from the board to come around, you'll have a long wait.

I have no intention of making right or left wingers change parties.  I only joined this thread because there were so many uninformed people out there regarding Romney agreeing with Obama's comments.      

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I have no intention of making right or left wingers change parties.  I only joined this thread because there were so many uninformed people out there regarding Romney agreeing with Obama's comments.   

Totally agree.  Keep reminding them.

Obama's particular choice of words were more confrontational than Romney's, however, and opened a larger door for attack.  That's what these guys are clinging to.

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Obama's particular choice of words were more confrontational than Romney's, however, and opened a larger door for attack.  That's what these guys are clinging to.


I agree with that statement.  I think Romney could have used Obama's speech against him indefinitely (even though I believe both Romney and Obama's statements to be true).  Why he chose to agree (even if less confrontational) and use so many of the same words as Obama, is beyond me.  All Romney had to do was shut his mouth and ride the wave.


Totally agree.  Keep reminding them.


I'm surprised this thread is still active, but 333 keeps posting articles/book advertisements he finds so...  :-\


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Obama’s incredible small business gaffe just won’t go away
The New York Amsterdam News ^ | August 5, 2012 | Richard Carter
Posted on August 5, 2012 2:01:02 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet

“Do you think not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth?…”—Robert Redford, “Three Days of the Condor” (1975)

In the long, undistinguished annals of big-time gaffes in American politics, Barack Hussein Obama’s recent shot at small businesspeople ranks near the top. Indeed, this astonishing verbal blunder has taken on a life of its own.

As a result, three weeks after the president’s ill-advised comments during a July 13 campaign speech in Roanoke, Va., much of America is still talking about his unseemly words. And they are still hard to believe. To wit:

“If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that—somebody else made that happen.” Ugh!

What’s the best way to describe what Obama said? Here’s what some pundits are calling it: “botch,” “blunder,” “bungle,” “delusional,” “faux pas,” “fumble,” “gaffe,” “goof,” “loopy,” “misstep,” “stumble” and, quite simply, that he put his foot in his mouth big-time.

In effect, Obama dissed America’s business community in general, and small businesspeople in particular. It’s unconscionable that a president of the United States would do this. His words were stunning and simply unbelievable. And they continue to resonate.

What could Obama have been thinking? Some have speculated that it was due to “going off teleprompter”—that is, speaking off the cuff without reading from the multiple teleprompters that always surround him. Doing so is not his strong suit. Others say this president is simply anti-free market business.

If the former was the case—perhaps surprisingly to his worshippers—Obama is in for a tough time in the upcoming presidential debates against presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney. American political debates are a contact sport and spontaneous.

If it was the latter, Obama truly is out of his depth as president. Doesn’t he understand that the nation’s economy was built by the blood, sweat and tears of hard-working businesspeople—small as well as large? His fixation with the federal government as a panacea is, quite frankly, an embarrassment and reeks of socialism.

Here’s how Romney responded to Obama’s blunder: “To say something like that is not just foolishness, it’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America. I don’t think the president, by his comments, understands what makes America a unique nation. If you attack success, you’ll see what we’ve seen over the past few years—less success. I find it extraordinary that a philosophy of that nature would be spoken by a president of the United States.”

In the same vein, Romney took Obama to task for failing to meet with his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness for the last six months. And the explanation by the president’s press secretary, Jay Carney? “He’s got a lot on his plate.” Huh? Can you believe it?

Predictably, Obama’s loopy small business gaffe, which has strongly galvanized Republicans, is reflected in many pointed letters to the editor in big-city newspapers. The writers leave no doubt as to their negative feelings. Following are some excerpts:

“Would the late, great Sylvia Woods, the ‘Queen of Soul Food,’ have agreed with President Obama that someone else made her tremendous success happen?”

“Of all of Obama’s rhetoric in the White House, his attack on the very notion of creativity has been the most destructive, by far. If he had said this in 2008, he would have been unelectable.”

“Beyond the small business community, which suffered a direct insult, Obama has just told each and every American that they cannot expect to succeed without him. I think that comes as a shock to even his most fervent followers.”

“According to Obama’s philosophy, no one builds anything. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, John D. Rockefeller and the rest of the great entrepreneurs in history are merely leeching off the efforts of others.”

“By letting his view slip out, Obama displays a lack of faith in our economic system, diligence and people.”

These sentiments express very clearly why Obama’s classic gaffe could be what millions of Americans will remember in the voting booth on Nov. 6. Prior to the election, his inexplicable diss of small businesspeople may also become a focal point of the three presidential debates in October.

A concrete result of Obama’s small business comments is reflected in a new Gallup poll released July 26. In it, his approval rating among business owners dropped from 59 percent to 35 percent. Meanwhile, the latest Rasmussen tracking poll has Romney leading Obama overall by six points—49 percent to 43 percent.

Finally, Obama’s intemperate remarks of July 13 were exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time. America is a working-class nation whose citizens don’t like anyone telling them they didn’t make it on their own. That’s because most small businesspeople did.

Bottom line: It’s clear the land is rife with political unrest among independents—such as this writer—and Republicans. If you’re a Democrat, you’d better hope Obama gets his act together or, indeed, he’ll be a one-term president. And that’s the name of that tune.



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Obama’s incredible small business gaffe just won’t go away
The New York Amsterdam News ^ | August 5, 2012 | Richard Carter
Posted on August 5, 2012 2:01:02 AM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet



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those quotes show romney and obama feel the same way.

personally, i think they're both wrong.

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those quotes show romney and obama feel the same way.

personally, i think they're both wrong.

That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.

Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that". Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.

Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.

This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.

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That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.


This is not a left vs. right issue.  People who are tagging Romney with Obama's comments are merely saying, disagree or agree with both candidates.  Since most, if not all "lefties" agree with both Romney and Obama on this issue, I don't think any of these "lefties" are indicating that Romney or Obama put their foot in their mouth.
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Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that".

Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.

1.  Please show us where Obama stated anything to the effect of "businessmen somehow owe the AVERAGE JOE a piece of their profit."  

2.  PLEASE indicate where Obama said, "if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM"

3.  After actually reading the speech, where did Obama DISCREDIT the businessman?




Here is Obama's speech.  Read it in its entirety.  Notice where the statement "you didn't build that" is located.  I will make the sentences around it red, that may help you.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That’s how we funded the GI Bill.  That’s how we created the middle class.  That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That’s how we invented the Internet.  That’s how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea.  You’re not on your own, we’re in this together
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Now, you are going to say, but Romney never said, "you didn't build that."  Okay, let's look at what Romney DID say:

There are A LOT of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”


Then Romney says:

"I know that you recognize A LOT OF PEOPLE helped you in that BUSINESS. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."



Let's compare notes from both speeches regarding where the help/assistance comes from:

Romney said:                                Obama said:
"your mom and dad,"                        "somebody" (i.e. anyone, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher,"                      "teacher"
"the people who provide roads"      "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police."                         "fire service"
"investors,"                                        "government"
"banks," and
"government"


Thus, Romney didn't use the exact words "you didn't build that" in his speech.  However, the theme of Romney's speech was, you didn't build that without the help of (see the list above, almost identical to Obama's list).  Moreover, if you have read Obama's speech, you know that he was saying the same thing as Romney and "the sentence" in the middle of the paragraph conforms with the very theme that both candidates' speeches were based on.
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Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.

Obama stated:
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."  

Obama is telling the world that when you succeed (entrepreneurs included) it is because of your "individual initiative."  This is giving props, credit, and/or respect to people who succeed due to their "individual initiative."  He continues by saying we also have success by doing things together, just like Romney does throughout his speech.
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This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.

It's clear based on this comment that you did not read Romney or Obama's speech as neither speech was about your above quote.
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The bottom line is that BOTH candidates AGREE with the statement and title of this thread, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."  That may anger you and you are entitled to that emotion.  But, to solely state that Obama is "dumb" or "intelligent" for his position on this issue, can only be made by someone who is uninformed.

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That gaffe is squarely on Obama.

You either agree with BOTH or disagree with BOTH candidates, hence the stupidity of this thread.

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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/15/Virginia-Bakery-Refuses-To-Serve-Biden



Ha ha ha !!!!! 


Being angry and petty doesn't make the statement wrong.

I wonder if they would turn down Romney... seeing as how he said the EXACT SAME THING.

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Iowa deli co-owner caters for Obama visit, but his T-shirt tells another story
Washington Post ^
Posted on August 15, 2012 9:54:28 PM EDT


DAVENPORT, Iowa — Ross Murty likes business, but he doesn’t like President Obama.

And so the co-owner of the Village Corner Deli here agreed to cater Obama’s visit Wednesday — but not before donning a T-shirt blaring the message: “Government didn’t build my business. I did.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...








Good.  FUCK OBAMA! 

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That gaffe is squarely on Obama. The fact that certain lefties are trying to tag Romney with Obama's screw-up seems to indicate that the president put his foot in his mouth.

Besides, Romney NEVER discredited the businessman. He never said "you didn't build that". Whether that person got help or not, Romney GIVES PROPS to the entrepreneur, something Obama didn't do.

Obama's theme is that businessmen somehow owe the average Joe a piece of their profit. And, if they won't give it to them, Obama will TAKE IT FROM THEM. That is what has so many business owners enraged.

This is about lazy lefties, who think that they're entitled to other people's money and that, simply for having a pulse, they have a "right" to be subsidized.

Please tell me you dont vote

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Bump.

FUCK OBAMA!!!!!!





Straw - his quote is right there. 


He is a hardcore communist.