Author Topic: Babe Ruth  (Read 15754 times)

Hulkotron

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29914
  • Expunged
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 12:07:23 PM »
How many hot dogs did he in one day I cant remember.

I heard it was 112 in under five minutes :o

polychronopolous

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19041
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2012, 12:07:57 PM »
Ruth's numbers are so ridiculous they look made up.  He led the league in HR and OPS in 1918, as a pitcher.

Mays was spectacular as well.

Does Ruth have the best stats all time, in any sport, when you put into consideration his 2nd all time On Base %, only 2 hall of fame pitchers reached 88 wins at a younger age and the fact that he reached 714 home runs FAR quicker than Aaron? Maybe Gretzky has better all time stats who else can you put in that category?

dr.chimps

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 28635
  • Chimpus ergo sum
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2012, 12:09:28 PM »
How many hot dogs did he in one day I cant remember.
I know his pre-game ritual was 3 dogs. I can't imagine sitting downwind of the Babe on a regular basis.   ;D

Hulkotron

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29914
  • Expunged
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2012, 12:09:57 PM »
Does Ruth have the best stats all time, in any sport, ?

Look up the dude named Donald Bradman, I think I posted about him earlier in this thread.

polychronopolous

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19041
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2012, 12:14:02 PM »
I know his pre-game ritual was 3 dogs. I can't imagine sitting downwind of the Babe on a regular basis.   ;D

Yeah he probably took big massive alcoholic dumps too.

dr.chimps

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 28635
  • Chimpus ergo sum
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2012, 12:17:32 PM »
Yeah he probably took big massive alcoholic dumps too.
Yup, and he had the nail as well. Clean-living All-American boy. And, he didn't care for my hero (Gehrig), so there's that, too.   :-\

funk51

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 42522
  • Getbig!
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2012, 12:19:16 PM »
 ;D
F

Hulkotron

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29914
  • Expunged
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2012, 12:22:11 PM »
Jimmie Foxx looked pretty much just like the Babe in his face.


Grape Ape

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24640
  • SC è un asino
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2012, 12:22:17 PM »
Yep - he's signed to play more. Doesn't mean he will. Look how close Bonds got to 2000 rbis and 3000 hits. I mean, I wouldn't be against him NOT getting to 3000. But his past two seasons have been downhill (understandably so - he's old), so who knows what next year holds. But, I'm with you. He'll probably get it and cement his legacy as his generation's greatest hitter.

The defensive stats are just stuff of legend with Mays, stories...things like that I've read about. But there's also some degree of stat analysis like what's posted below - a sabermetrician's take on defensive prowess of Mays. If you find guys "qualitative or quantitatively" ranking defensive shortstops, you'll find few if any who put A-Rod in the top 10 of all-time.

DP-Rk: Positional Defensive Rank

PRG: PCA Real Games (explained above)

PsPRG: PRGs at most frequently played position

CAR: Career Era Adjusted Defensive Wins (I found an error in the way I was quantifying this when I was preparing this analysis that launched a major clean-up of the PCA database files that took hours today...as well as gave me an excuse to change my offensive playing time measurement from Batting Outs to Plate Appearances...it's all good...changes were minor, but it was a necessary logical tweak)

PRO: Prorated Era Adjusted Defensive Wins (in the case of pitchers, defensive wins were prorated to 600 PRGs (the average starting pitcher gets about 30 of them per season), and this is done if and only if the pitcher has at least 250 PRGs to begin with...lesser PRG totals are too prone to weird prorating errors...we throw up our hands and leave prorated and peak elements blank in short careers. In the case of all other position players, I prorated to 2000 PRGs and rquired a minimum of 250 PRGs at the primary position and overall to receive a prorated rating.

PEAK: I've made a significant change to the way peak wins are calculated. Previously I kept only wins in each season that were above the player's career average scoring rate, but I realized this was really only half of themeasure of variability missed by the prorated wins statistic. Peak wins weren't receiving enough weight, because really all it did was eliminate the down years from the prorated element...it didn't also reward for the up years. So what I decided to do was count the absolute value of all deviations from the player's career average scoring rate...it effectively doubles the magnitude of the peak wins componant, and I believe this is appropriate. Players only received a peak element if they also received a prorated element.

Rating: (CAR+PRO+PEAK)/2 if all three elements had data (IOW...if the player met eligibility requirements)...otherwise it was simply the CAR element.

With that out of the way:

Code:

Center Field
DP-Rk   First   Last            PRG   PsPRG   CAR   PRO   PEAK   Rating
1   Andruw   Jones         1251   1156   57.24   91.51   19.06   83.91
2   Tris   Speaker      2740   2721   77.6   56.64   32.96   83.6
3   Max   Carey         2440   1616   75.32   61.74   25.94   81.5
4   Paul   Blair           1643   1594   58.5   71.21   22.34   76.03
5   Richie   Ashburn     2095   1964   59.71   57   24.68   70.7
6   Curt   Welch        1151   1102   37.99   66.01   18.28   61.14
7   Curt   Flood         1651   1651   48.78   59.09   12.26   60.07
8   Lloyd   Waner        1770   1624   47.01   53.12   18.05   59.09
9   Devon   White        1814   1655   44.45   49.01   22.71   58.08
10   Willie   Mays          2855   2756   57.64   40.38   16.14   57.08
11   Mike   Cameron     1099   1070   34.32   62.46   16.02   56.4
12   Amos   Otis           1861   1773   42.24   45.39   18.68   53.16
13   George   Gore          1323   1185   34.06   51.49   19.77   52.66
14   Taylor   Douthit      1037   992   31.15   60.08   13.94   52.58
15   Paul   Hines         1518   1253   32.58   42.92   28.8   52.15
16   Dwayne   Murphy       1180   1115   33.05   56.02   14.49   51.78
17   Lance   Johnson      1315   1259   34.38   52.29   16.67   51.67
18   Cy   Seymour     1513   1115   36.81   48.66   17.36   51.41
19   Jim   Busby        1167   1162   32.64   55.94   14.11   51.34
20   Brett   Butler        2046   1890   44.78   43.77   13.96   51.26






Believe it or not, I may actually know the guy who posted this.
Y

polychronopolous

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19041
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 12:24:19 PM »
Look up the dude named Donald Bradman, I think I posted about him earlier in this thread.

Although I don't know a wicket from a stump  :-\ , his Wikipedia page makes him out to be quite the beast! 8)

Coach is Back!

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 61571
  • It’s All Bullshit
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2012, 12:35:12 PM »
This is a pic of Foxx from the 20's. Long before gh15 could claim "testosterona". Dude was in shape for an alkie.



There have been claims that testosterone was used by baseball players as early as the early 40's. I think it was Roger Maris that also had the abscess due to a faulty injection of possible steroids combined with amphetamines. Greenies were popular all throughout baseball for along time.

flipper5470

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1401
  • Getbig!
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2012, 12:39:29 PM »
That was one of the big shockers in Jim Bouton's book Ball Four (1970)....baseball players drank, cheated on their wives and took amphetamines

Mr Nobody

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40197
  • Falcon gives us new knowledge every single day.
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2012, 12:44:55 PM »
I heard it was 112 in under five minutes :o
LOL a damn record no doubt

funk51

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 42522
  • Getbig!
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2012, 01:22:47 PM »
There have been claims that testosterone was used by baseball players as early as the early 40's. I think it was Roger Maris that also had the abscess due to a faulty injection of possible steroids combined with amphetamines. Greenies were popular all throughout baseball for along time.
that was mantle in 1961 during the great home run chase missed games at end of season maris 61 mantle 54.
F

King Shizzo

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35024
  • Ron crowned me King because I always deliver.
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2012, 01:23:40 PM »
Babe Ruth was a lifetime .342 hitter.  Name another power hitter who even comes close to that career avg.  Name any hitter that averaged above .342  :P

dr.chimps

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 28635
  • Chimpus ergo sum
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2012, 01:27:51 PM »
That was one of the big shockers in Jim Bouton's book Ball Four (1970)....baseball players drank, cheated on their wives and took amphetamines
Awesome, must-read book. He also starred in Altman's 'The Long Goodbye.'  Arnold had a bit part as a henchman, too. Solid flick.

Hulkotron

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29914
  • Expunged
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2012, 01:35:39 PM »
Does anyone know what the Babe's policy was on eating the pussies of whores?

Nails

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 36504
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsi5VTzJpPw
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2012, 01:36:47 PM »
Does anyone know what the Babe's policy was on eating the pussies of whores?

its the 20's, you had to be a fool to eat that shit back in those days

flinstones1

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7038
  • levroneflinstonee
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2012, 01:37:15 PM »
that was mantle in 1961 during the great home run chase missed games at end of season maris 61 mantle 54.

this. Mantle used drugs= period.
l

King Shizzo

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35024
  • Ron crowned me King because I always deliver.
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2012, 01:37:49 PM »
Does anyone know what the Babe's policy was on eating the pussies of whores?
Sometimes you get the shaft, and sometimes you get a dime piece tranny.

Coach is Back!

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 61571
  • It’s All Bullshit
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2012, 01:39:53 PM »
They want to remove drugs to make it an.even playing field. What they don't realize its always been an even playing field.

King Shizzo

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35024
  • Ron crowned me King because I always deliver.
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2012, 01:41:36 PM »
this. Mantle used drugs= period.
Drugs? yes.  Steroids? no. 

The Ugly

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21287
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2012, 01:48:27 PM »
Babe just missed like 7 or 8 triple crowns. Maybe more. Though he usually led HRs and RBI, there were seasons he hit .370+ and still came up short of the batting crown.

.370 and still doesn't lead average! Insane.

King Shizzo

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35024
  • Ron crowned me King because I always deliver.
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2012, 01:50:14 PM »
Babe just missed like 7 or 8 triple crowns. Maybe more. Though he usually led HRs and RBI, there were seasons he hit .370+ and still came up short of the batting crown.

.370 and still doesn't lead average! Insane.
Maybe this proves that it was much easier to hit for avg. back then.  Nobody hits .370 these days.

The Ugly

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21287
Re: Babe Ruth
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2012, 01:56:35 PM »
Maybe this proves that it was much easier to hit for avg. back then.  Nobody hits .370 these days.

Maybe. Dude hit .393 in 1923 and didn't lead that year either. Ridiculous.