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IRS, ObamaCare enforcers, run amok.
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:55:52 AM »
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Value: $0, Taxes: $40 Million
Commentary Magazine ^ | 7-23-12 | John Steele Gordon
Posted on July 23, 2012 8:15:30 AM EDT by afraidfortherepublic

This week’s winner of the you-can’t-make-this-stuff-up contest is undoubtedly a front-page story in this morning’s New York Times. When New York art dealer Ileana Sonnabend died in 2007, she left her children a fabulous collection of modern art valued at $1 billion. Her children have already paid $471 million in estate taxes on the collection, being forced to sell off most of it to meet the bill. (This is a beautiful example, by the way, of why estate taxes should be abolished and replaced with a capital gains tax on inherited assets—the collection, an artistic whole in itself, had to be destroyed to pay the taxes due.)

But there is one item in the collection, a work by Robert Rauschenberg that cannot be sold. It contains a stuffed bald eagle and under the terms of the 1940 Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act and the 1918 Migratory Bird Act, it is a felony to “possess, sell, purchase, barter, transport, import or export any bald eagle — alive or dead.” The estate, advised by three experts, including one from Christie’s, therefore, valued the work at zero. The IRS decided it was worth $65 million, and is demanding $29.2 million in taxes and $11 million in penalties because the heirs “inaccurately” stated its value.

The trouble, of course, is that the heirs didn’t inaccurately state its value. Anything that cannot, for whatever reason, be sold, is worth zero by economic definition. The value of anything is only what someone else is willing to pay for it. And to pay a dime for this particular artwork would be to commit a federal felony. To sell it for a dime would be to commit a federal felony.

The IRS has an “Art Advisory Panel,” that provides expert advice on the value of art works involved in estates. It was the panel that decided it was worth $65 million. Stephanie Barron, a member of the panel and an art curator at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, said that, “It’s a stunning work of art and we all just cringed at the idea of saying that this had zero value. It just didn’t make any sense.”

It makes perfect sense and Ms. Barron’s statement is a classic example of the fallacy of the just price, that things have inherent value independent of the marketplace. They may have artistic value, emotional value, religious value, etc. But if they cannot be sold then they have no monetary value because they cannot be converted into money.

The IRS Art Advisory Board, I assume, is made up of art experts. It should add an economist to give the other board members a lesson in economics 101 when necessary. And the IRS should have someone empowered to tell the Bureau, “Are you crazy? This will make us look like idiots, and vindictive idiots at that.”

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Re: IRS, ObamaCare enforcers, run amok.
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 05:16:04 AM »
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Value: $0, Taxes: $40 Million
Commentary Magazine ^ | 7-23-12 | John Steele Gordon
Posted on July 23, 2012 8:15:30 AM EDT by afraidfortherepublic

This week’s winner of the you-can’t-make-this-stuff-up contest is undoubtedly a front-page story in this morning’s New York Times. When New York art dealer Ileana Sonnabend died in 2007, she left her children a fabulous collection of modern art valued at $1 billion. Her children have already paid $471 million in estate taxes on the collection, being forced to sell off most of it to meet the bill. (This is a beautiful example, by the way, of why estate taxes should be abolished and replaced with a capital gains tax on inherited assets—the collection, an artistic whole in itself, had to be destroyed to pay the taxes due.)

But there is one item in the collection, a work by Robert Rauschenberg that cannot be sold. It contains a stuffed bald eagle and under the terms of the 1940 Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act and the 1918 Migratory Bird Act, it is a felony to “possess, sell, purchase, barter, transport, import or export any bald eagle — alive or dead.” The estate, advised by three experts, including one from Christie’s, therefore, valued the work at zero. The IRS decided it was worth $65 million, and is demanding $29.2 million in taxes and $11 million in penalties because the heirs “inaccurately” stated its value.

The trouble, of course, is that the heirs didn’t inaccurately state its value. Anything that cannot, for whatever reason, be sold, is worth zero by economic definition. The value of anything is only what someone else is willing to pay for it. And to pay a dime for this particular artwork would be to commit a federal felony. To sell it for a dime would be to commit a federal felony.

The IRS has an “Art Advisory Panel,” that provides expert advice on the value of art works involved in estates. It was the panel that decided it was worth $65 million. Stephanie Barron, a member of the panel and an art curator at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, said that, “It’s a stunning work of art and we all just cringed at the idea of saying that this had zero value. It just didn’t make any sense.”

It makes perfect sense and Ms. Barron’s statement is a classic example of the fallacy of the just price, that things have inherent value independent of the marketplace. They may have artistic value, emotional value, religious value, etc. But if they cannot be sold then they have no monetary value because they cannot be converted into money.

The IRS Art Advisory Board, I assume, is made up of art experts. It should add an economist to give the other board members a lesson in economics 101 when necessary. And the IRS should have someone empowered to tell the Bureau, “Are you crazy? This will make us look like idiots, and vindictive idiots at that.”


Oooooh how sad it is that they have to pay estate taxes on property.....guess they'll just have to live on with over 500 million dollars..... ::)


Seriously, who cares
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 05:18:23 AM »

Oooooh how sad it is that they have to pay estate taxes on property.....guess they'll just have to live on with over 500 million dollars..... ::)


Seriously, who cares

At least you are honest about what you are.   

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 05:26:25 AM »
At least you are honest about what you are.   


They are not hurting like millions of Americans...and they understand that art is a subjective thing in terms of value....I personally don't think a stuffed bird is worth shit or any type of art as its just grease sweared on a piece of paper but that is the way things are
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 05:31:15 AM »

They are not hurting like millions of Americans...and they understand that art is a subjective thing in terms of value....I personally don't think a stuffed bird is worth shit or any type of art as its just grease sweared on a piece of paper but that is the way things are


So you think the govt should get 50% inheritance for doing nothing whatsoever in return? 

hhhmmmm - where else is a heavy inheritance tax advocated?

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 09:06:55 PM »

So you think the govt should get 50% inheritance for doing nothing whatsoever in return? 

hhhmmmm - where else is a heavy inheritance tax advocated?

That's right . . . . .   


No....a portion of the money is exempt and the maximum rate of the remaining amount is 35%
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