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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2012, 07:48:44 AM »

LOL.   Nice little meltdown.

  

Let me ask you - what is the right amount of ammo to be allowed to have and who and how are you going to track it?  


  

Let me ask you.

How much are you going to whine about your government before you rise up against it?

The second amendment is defunct. You don't need the guns because you are too weak to rise up anyway.

So - you will be the big man and post on getbig, defending the rights of someone with a set of balls to rise up against the government. Only the people you are defending don't exist. They are just keyboard warriors just like you who would soil their pants in the face of a trained force. Ain't no big balled guys to rise up any more. Your fantasy is over.

Like it or not. The second amendment was for a generation of REAL MEN with principles. You claim to be a lawyer, so we already know how much of a real man you are and as for your principles - well, you claim to be a lawyer.

Why not just give it up? Admit there's no standing up to anything any more and that it's only idiots who want these weapons.

Seriously - you'll be safer that way.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2012, 08:16:11 AM »
Let me ask you.

How much are you going to whine about your government before you rise up against it?

The second amendment is defunct. You don't need the guns because you are too weak to rise up anyway.

So - you will be the big man and post on getbig, defending the rights of someone with a set of balls to rise up against the government. Only the people you are defending don't exist. They are just keyboard warriors just like you who would soil their pants in the face of a trained force. Ain't no big balled guys to rise up any more. Your fantasy is over.

Like it or not. The second amendment was for a generation of REAL MEN with principles. You claim to be a lawyer, so we already know how much of a real man you are and as for your principles - well, you claim to be a lawyer.

Why not just give it up? Admit there's no standing up to anything any more and that it's only idiots who want these weapons.

Seriously - you'll be safer that way.


So is the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 6th, and 9th, anendment worthless too? 

Typical slave mentality you have. 

Again - tell me - what is the right amount of ammo one should be able to have? 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2012, 08:21:06 AM »
O'reilly in particular makes me want to kill myself.

This is the same fucking ignorant argument everyone uses, they hear "assault rifle" and automatically picture a belt fed machine gun firing 800 RPM.

Idiots, the lot of them.

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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2012, 08:21:52 AM »

So is the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 6th, and 9th, anendment worthless too? 

Typical slave mentality you have. 

Again - tell me - what is the right amount of ammo one should be able to have? 

For you - the right amount of ammo is a clip full.

You don't hunt.
You need a gun for home protection and if you need more than a clip full, you are screwed already.
You will never be a part of a militia that will rise up against government injustice, you are far too busy posting on getbig for that.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2012, 08:23:02 AM »
Wednesday, 25 July 2012 10:35
Bill O’Reilly’s Anti-gun Blarney
Written by  Selwyn Duke

http://thenewamerican.com/opinion/selwyn-duke/item/12204-bill-o%E2%80%99reilly%E2%80%99s-anti-gun-blarney





 
We expect anti-gun nonsense from people such as Bill Moyers and Little Big Gulp Bloomberg, but we might hope that Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly wouldn’t evoke an eye-rolling “Oh, really!” when discussing the subject. But as the crusty commentator further proved last night while arguing with a guest, Congressman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), he still hasn’t done his homework on the firearms issue.
 
In full-fire mode while talking about the Aurora tragedy with Chaffetz, O’Reilly insisted that there should be special reporting to the FBI when people purchase, as he put it, “heavy weapons … mortars, howitzers, machine guns.” The ignorance displayed through that comment is profound.
 
First, if we instituted O’Reilly’s policy, obtaining a mortar, howitzer, or machine gun would be far easier than it currently is, as such weapons are tightly controlled under the National Firearms Act. In fact, the hoops one must jump through to purchase such weaponry include, but may not be limited to, filling out a National Firearms Act application; getting permission from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); and having your weapon registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. Moreover, you may have to satisfy local-government requirements as well. Anyway, the upshot is that it’s extremely difficult to obtain such a weapon legally, and possessing one that’s unregistered can land you in prison for 10 years.
 
Second, O’Reilly clearly doesn’t know what a “heavy weapon” is; in fact, he actually said, “If you sell heavy weaponry, alright, automatics, semi-automatics, ammunition,” and foolishly was taken aback when Congressman Chaffetz contradicted his notion that an AK-47 is “heavy armor.” But a heavy weapon is not a seven-pound AR-15, which was used in the Aurora shooting, or an AK-47; both are classified as “light” weapons. Because of this, even when they are configured to fire fully automatic, they aren’t called machine guns; they are known as sub-machine guns.
 
Yet the AR-15s and AK-47s readily available to the public — and this includes the one used in Aurora — aren’t any kind of machine gun. Like most firearms sold today, they’re configured to fire semi-automatic, which means one round is released with every trigger pull.
 
Why did O’Reilly make this mistake? Because like most journalists, he sees a gun with a military appearance — one he has seen fired fully automatic in movies countless times — and assumes it’s a machine gun. But this is no different than seeing a Porsche body with a Hugo chassis and engine and assuming it can do 0 to 60 in 4.8 seconds. Look under the hood, O’Reilly.
 
Also note, once again, that obtaining an actual machine gun is as difficult as acquiring a bazooka.  

In his interview, O’Reilly also mentioned how Aurora shooter James Holmes purchased 60,000 rounds of ammunition without setting off alarm bells. Well, first, Holmes had bought 6,000 rounds, not 60,000. More significantly, however, it isn’t unusual for good people to make such large purchases. Why? Because a professional or hobby shooter can use 500 rounds in one two-hour session and thousands over the course of a week. Moreover, many today stockpile ammo for the same reason they do food and water: If there’s a disaster resulting in social breakdown, such things will disappear and may not be available for a long while. It’s also the case that ammo sometimes goes on sale, prompting gun owners to buy in bulk to save money.
 
I’ll also add that Holmes needed only a few hundred rounds to kill as he did, even if he was a bad shot.  

Next, O’Reilly indicated that Holmes had “heavy duty” rounds. Not only is there no such classification, but the fact is that the round fired in the Aurora AR-15 and most other AR-15s is a relatively light round known as a .223 (5.56mm). This is the same small caliber as a .22 used in a Marlin target rifle; however, the bullet is different, and it is a high-velocity round.
 
Lastly, what makes this paranoia about the AR-15 even more ridiculous is that this firearm was not the most formidable weapon Holmes wielded in Aurora. His 12-gauge shotgun was — at least insofar as close-quarter firing against targets without body armor goes.
 
In summary, I’ve seldom seen more misconceptions packed into a five-minute interview than O’Reilly’s sorry Tuesday display. And he was passionate about it, too. When Congressman Chaffetz told him, “You are misinformed; you are totally misinformed,” O’Reilly shot back, “No! “You’re wrong!”
 
No, Mr. O’Reilly, you’re wrong. Very, very wrong.
 
Anyway, nothing on the books or that O’Reilly proposed would have stopped James Holmes, who had a clean record and no contact with law enforcement except for a traffic ticket.  
 
Of course, O’Reilly did say to the congressman that he believes in the Second Amendment, and that’s good. But we should also believe in not abusing the First Amendment, and that’s what uninformed blather does.  
 
Confucius once said, “Wisdom is, when you know something, knowing that you know it; and when you do not know something, knowing that you do not know it.”
 
As you would say, Mr. O’Reilly, wise up.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2012, 08:24:05 AM »
For you - the right amount of ammo is a clip full.

You don't hunt.
You need a gun for home protection and if you need more than a clip full, you are screwed already.
You will never be a part of a militia that will rise up against government injustice, you are far too busy posting on getbig for that.

LMFAO!   

What if I want to go target shooting?   


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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2012, 08:29:36 AM »
LMFAO!   

What if I want to go target shooting?   



To what end, though?

Do you want to own a gun for the reasons the founding fathers gave you the rights?

I ask because you keep quoting these rights, you are clearly unhappy with your government but all you do is sit on your ass posting on getbig.

There will be no uprising. People like you don't need target practice. You need knitting lessons. Nice scarf to keep you warm at night complaining about your communist government.

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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2012, 08:31:38 AM »
To what end, though?

Do you want to own a gun for the reasons the founding fathers gave you the rights?

I ask because you keep quoting these rights, you are clearly unhappy with your government but all you do is sit on your ass posting on getbig.

There will be no uprising. People like you don't need target practice. You need knitting lessons. Nice scarf to keep you warm at night complaining about your communist government.


How about its none of your fucking business what i do so long as I don't harm you? 

 



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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2012, 08:37:50 AM »
Let me ask you.

How much are you going to whine about your government before you rise up against it?

The second amendment is defunct. You don't need the guns because you are too weak to rise up anyway.

So - you will be the big man and post on getbig, defending the rights of someone with a set of balls to rise up against the government. Only the people you are defending don't exist. They are just keyboard warriors just like you who would soil their pants in the face of a trained force. Ain't no big balled guys to rise up any more. Your fantasy is over.

Like it or not. The second amendment was for a generation of REAL MEN with principles. You claim to be a lawyer, so we already know how much of a real man you are and as for your principles - well, you claim to be a lawyer.

Why not just give it up? Admit there's no standing up to anything any more and that it's only idiots who want these weapons.

Seriously - you'll be safer that way.

So off base and foolish that you've absolutely surpassed all expectations of ignorance I though I could possibly experience on this board.

Insane

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2012, 08:38:58 AM »

How about its none of your fucking business what i do so long as I don't harm you? 

 



I think this is at the crux of it.
Does the government get to tell me how many cars I can have based on what they believe I need?
Does the government get to tell me how many firearms I have based on whether or not Im a member of a militia? Did the founding fathers believe we HAD to be in a militia to bear arms? I dont think so, militia's generally form in a time of need)

You start going down the "You cant have that because the government doesnt believe you need it", well thats a slippery slope.

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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2012, 08:40:36 AM »
I think this is at the crux of it.
Does the government get to tell me how many cars I can have based on what they believe I need?
Does the government get to tell me how many firearms I have based on whether or not Im a member of a militia? Did the founding fathers believe we HAD to be in a militia to bear arms? I dont think so, militia's generally form in a time of need)

You start going down the "You cant have that because the government doesnt believe you need it", well thats a slippery slope.

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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2012, 08:44:54 AM »
Seems fair.

if the government of the USA decides to point their weapons inwards, what the fnck you going to do anyway?

The people of Iraq didn't possess anywhere near a  fraction of the fire power every US citizen currently does.  They held off the US government for close to a decade.  On top of that, it's debatable whether or not the military would completely turn on the people.

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2012, 08:47:01 AM »
feinswine is a documented extremist.  What she is suggested is not something we will ever see.  Worrying about it be silly.

Obama has left guns around.  He's scared to even mention the word - ANYTHING to motivate the right-wing.   He has been neutralizing their rallying cries one by one.  NO WAY he 'goes there'.  It would be an instant loss in the 2012 election.

Guys - Romney has signed more AWBs than obama has.  think on that.

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2012, 08:47:29 AM »
The people of Iraq didn't possess anywhere near a  fraction of the fire power every US citizen currently does.  They held off the US government for close to a decade.  On top of that, it's debatable whether or not the military would completely turn on the people.
They wouldnt.
Well over 50% would join the citizens, easily.
Most people dont take their oath lightly.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2012, 08:48:14 AM »
I think this is at the crux of it.
Does the government get to tell me how many cars I can have based on what they believe I need?
Does the government get to tell me how many firearms I have based on whether or not Im a member of a militia? Did the founding fathers believe we HAD to be in a militia to bear arms? I dont think so, militia's generally form in a time of need)

You start going down the "You cant have that because the government doesnt believe you need it", well thats a slippery slope.

Not at all.

Some people want to fuck children but the law prevents it, for the greater good.
Some people want to drive the highways at 150mph but the law prevents it for the greater good.
Some people want to eat French Cheese that has been matured less than 60 days but the law prevents it for the greater good.

Fact is - there is no slippery slop and if there is, you are already on it.

The only reason you support gun ownership is because you were brought up to believe it was right. This is why so many Europeans are anti-gun and so many Americans pro-gun. There is no rationality behind it, it is an ingrained belief, taught from birth.

Fact is - owning these guns makes no sense. Quoting the founding fathers makes no sense. It is just you've been brainwashed from birth to think a certain way and you can't think outside the box.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2012, 08:49:45 AM »
pedro, you dont think americans should be allowed to carry guns?

or you just don't like the high capacity magazines?

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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2012, 08:50:49 AM »

How about its none of your fucking business what i do so long as I don't harm you? 

So your amendments are now not an issue? It's a privacy thing?

I'd say it's my business when some idiot comes into a cinema and starts shooting around me.

If you could just quote a legitimate reason for owning a gun, I'd buy into it. Still - you don't have one, other than those hundred year old documents for written for different times.

These guns ain't really going to help you rise up against your government when there's drones in the sky that could shoot a dildo up your ass from 5 miles up.

So what excuses are you left with? Sport? Well so is chicken fighting but I don't see you defending that?

Self defence? Sure - buy a handgun - you need anything bigger than that to defend your Bronx appartment? Very unlikely.

There's just no reason to have these weapons any more.

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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2012, 08:54:14 AM »
So your amendments are now not an issue? It's a privacy thing?

I'd say it's my business when some idiot comes into a cinema and starts shooting around me.

If you could just quote a legitimate reason for owning a gun, I'd buy into it. Still - you don't have one, other than those hundred year old documents for written for different times.

These guns ain't really going to help you rise up against your government when there's drones in the sky that could shoot a dildo up your ass from 5 miles up.

So what excuses are you left with? Sport? Well so is chicken fighting but I don't see you defending that?

Self defence? Sure - buy a handgun - you need anything bigger than that to defend your Bronx appartment? Very unlikely.

There's just no reason to have these weapons any more.


LOL.   Yeah, lets trust clowns like obama/holder with control over all weapons when we have all seen how well that's worked out in Mexico. 


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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2012, 08:54:29 AM »
Not at all.

Some people want to fuck children but the law prevents it, for the greater good.
Some people want to drive the highways at 150mph but the law prevents it for the greater good.
Some people want to eat French Cheese that has been matured less than 60 days but the law prevents it for the greater good.

Fact is - there is no slippery slop and if there is, you are already on it.

The only reason you support gun ownership is because you were brought up to believe it was right. This is why so many Europeans are anti-gun and so many Americans pro-gun. There is no rationality behind it, it is an ingrained belief, taught from birth.

Fact is - owning these guns makes no sense. Quoting the founding fathers makes no sense. It is just you've been brainwashed from birth to think a certain way and you can't think outside the box.
Makes no sense to you maybe.
Makes perfect sense to me.

BTW your argument is silly, no one says you cant own a car capable of driving 150, just that you cant do it on a public road. Do you want to ban all fast cars, even though they have purpose at sporting events?

I own firearms I hunt with. I eat what I kill.
I own firearms to protect my home and my family.
I also have military training, and if things ever went south, I would be one of the first to join a militia.

I will NOT go without a fight, and I will not give up what the founding father fought for just because people from other countries don't agree with it.

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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2012, 08:59:53 AM »
pedro, you dont think americans should be allowed to carry guns?

or you just don't like the high capacity magazines?


I certainly think you should be able to have weapons suitable for legal endeavours.

A hunting rifle for instance. If hunting is legal, then I can see why the sporting man would want a rifle.  A sportsman would need a weapon befitting his sport. He would not need a minigun to shoot deer, this is not sport.

For home defence, nothing more than a handgun, you would be screwed if somehow more were needed.

For 'being part of a militia' - well - considering 33's constant whining on here, we can figure that the American male is beyond joining militias and would prefer to complain on teh interweb instead. For this, no weapon other than a sharp tongue is required.

Now - being legal should not equate to giving every nutcase access to a weapon. People that order 60,000 rounds off da internet and dye their hair red to look like Batman characters are worthy of a review.

I do understand the social conditioning that Americans have gone through and a such I understand that it will be a number of generations till this issue is resolved.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2012, 09:01:24 AM »
I will NOT go without a fight, and I will not give up what the founding father fought for just because people from other countries don't agree with it.

yes you will.

What the founding fathers fought for has already gone.

Much was said about it on teh interweb.

Where were you?

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« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2012, 09:04:00 AM »
yes you will.

What the founding fathers fought for has already gone.

Much was said about it on teh interweb.

Where were you?
In the military.
I dont believe everything they fought for is gone, and I dont believe that I should just "give up" because you said so.

As for your other post, miniguns arent legal to buy from your average citizen, so thats a worthless argument as well.

You cannot buy ANY fully automatic weapon without a class 3 license, which is not easy to get.

Assault rifles are the same as an semi-automatic hunting rifle.

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« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2012, 09:12:17 AM »
In the military.
I dont believe everything they fought for is gone, and I dont believe that I should just "give up" because you said so.

As for your other post, miniguns arent legal to buy from your average citizen, so thats a worthless argument as well.

You cannot buy ANY fully automatic weapon without a class 3 license, which is not easy to get.

Assault rifles are the same as an semi-automatic hunting rifle.

Pedro - you cite traffic laws - most limits are 65 - so why should a person be able to buy a corvette or a bike going 180mph 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2012, 09:16:55 AM »
I think this is at the crux of it.
Does the government get to tell me how many cars I can have based on what they believe I need?
Does the government get to tell me how many firearms I have based on whether or not Im a member of a militia? Did the founding fathers believe we HAD to be in a militia to bear arms? I dont think so, militia's generally form in a time of need)

You start going down the "You cant have that because the government doesnt believe you need it", well thats a slippery slope.

No.. but they tell you who you can Marry, if a woman can have an abortion... etc

its Weird

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Re: Bill O'Reilly melts down in debate over Gun Control. What a moron.
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2012, 09:18:55 AM »
No.. but they tell you who you can Marry, if a woman can have an abortion... etc

its Weird
Yeah, I dont agree with that either.