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« on: July 27, 2012, 12:00:11 PM »

Dates are set:  October 3, 16, 27.  VP:  October 11.  I think this is where Romney separates himself from Obama. 

Romney-Obama debate formats set: But they matter less this time
By ANDREW MALCOLMANDREW MALCOLM
07/26/2012

For the next few days, the news focus will be on two unfolding events: the London Summer Olympics with the athletic events we're able to glimpse in between $1 billion-plus worth of NBC ads and on Gov. Mitt Romney's overseas trip. Does he appear presidential? Bow? Or apologize to anyone in Britain, Israel or Poland?

Then come the July fundraising totals and the inevitably over-hyped build-up to Romney picking Tim Pawlenty for his VP slot. (You read it here first.) The conventions follow, first the Republicans in Tampa Aug. 27-30 and then the Dems in Charlotte Sept. 3-6.

Largely overlooked on the political calendar was Wednesday's announcement by the Commission on Presidential Debates of the four debate formats for October -- three presidential and one vice presidential.

The first comes Oct. 3 at the University of Denver on domestic issue questions chosen by the moderator, like all the moderators to be named next month. The next is the lone VP talk-off on foreign and domestic affairs Oct. 11 at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky.

Next is presidential Oct. 16 at Long Island's Hofstra University, a townhall-type meeting with questions from "undecided" voters selected by the Gallup polling organization.

The final presidential confrontation comes Oct. 22 at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida, another 90-minute Q&A by a moderator, this time on foreign affairs.

Count on saturation coverage of debate preps and tensions, especially the first. Casual spectators will imagine the awful pressures on each combatant. The fact is, however, spouses are usually the most nervous. At this level of politics, these guys usually relish such events, like pro athletes eagerly anticipating a big game. The spotlight. The high-wire walk. The chance to score points and make their case to the largest audiences of the excruciatingly long campaigns that Americans allow.

And don't forget, a big debate night can prompt big donor dollars within hours.

The political reality though is that debates, like college mid-terms, seem important at the time but end up mattering less at the end. Arguably, in hindsight only two presidential debates over their 52 years have been decisive:

The first in 1960 when Richard Nixon's make-up and shaver failed him on black-and-white TV while the country discovered a young, well-spoken senator in John F. Kennedy.

The other occurred in the final days of the 1980 campaign when two former governors faced off. President Jimmy Carter actually led Ronald Reagan going into that set-to, as incumbents tend to do, even those burdened by a terrible economy.

http://news.investors.com/article/619799/201207261008/presidential-debate-formats-set-for-obama-and-mitt-romney.htm
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 03:25:41 PM »

Dates are set:  October 3, 16, 27.  VP:  October 11.  I think this is where Romney separates himself from Obama. 

Romney-Obama debate formats set: But they matter less this time
By ANDREW MALCOLMANDREW MALCOLM
07/26/2012

For the next few days, the news focus will be on two unfolding events: the London Summer Olympics with the athletic events we're able to glimpse in between $1 billion-plus worth of NBC ads and on Gov. Mitt Romney's overseas trip. Does he appear presidential? Bow? Or apologize to anyone in Britain, Israel or Poland?

Then come the July fundraising totals and the inevitably over-hyped build-up to Romney picking Tim Pawlenty for his VP slot. (You read it here first.) The conventions follow, first the Republicans in Tampa Aug. 27-30 and then the Dems in Charlotte Sept. 3-6.

Largely overlooked on the political calendar was Wednesday's announcement by the Commission on Presidential Debates of the four debate formats for October -- three presidential and one vice presidential.

The first comes Oct. 3 at the University of Denver on domestic issue questions chosen by the moderator, like all the moderators to be named next month. The next is the lone VP talk-off on foreign and domestic affairs Oct. 11 at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky.

Next is presidential Oct. 16 at Long Island's Hofstra University, a townhall-type meeting with questions from "undecided" voters selected by the Gallup polling organization.

The final presidential confrontation comes Oct. 22 at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida, another 90-minute Q&A by a moderator, this time on foreign affairs.

Count on saturation coverage of debate preps and tensions, especially the first. Casual spectators will imagine the awful pressures on each combatant. The fact is, however, spouses are usually the most nervous. At this level of politics, these guys usually relish such events, like pro athletes eagerly anticipating a big game. The spotlight. The high-wire walk. The chance to score points and make their case to the largest audiences of the excruciatingly long campaigns that Americans allow.

And don't forget, a big debate night can prompt big donor dollars within hours.

The political reality though is that debates, like college mid-terms, seem important at the time but end up mattering less at the end. Arguably, in hindsight only two presidential debates over their 52 years have been decisive:

The first in 1960 when Richard Nixon's make-up and shaver failed him on black-and-white TV while the country discovered a young, well-spoken senator in John F. Kennedy.

The other occurred in the final days of the 1980 campaign when two former governors faced off. President Jimmy Carter actually led Ronald Reagan going into that set-to, as incumbents tend to do, even those burdened by a terrible economy.

http://news.investors.com/article/619799/201207261008/presidential-debate-formats-set-for-obama-and-mitt-romney.htm

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 11:54:19 PM »

romney was stellar against lesser candidates in the GOP debates, never getting upstaged or pwned or just plain disappearing.

Against a stronger Obama (which he is, ask hilary and mccain...), he should do every better.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 09:53:44 AM »

romney was stellar against lesser candidates in the GOP debates, never getting upstaged or pwned or just plain disappearing.

Against a stronger Obama (which he is, ask hilary and mccain...), he should do every better.

so you think a better opponent will make Romney better too

does that ever happen in real life

Romney is so flat footed and tone deaf that if he wander off script he will be lost

I predict that Romney will just recite his canned answers no matter what the question is
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2012, 10:10:56 AM »

so you think a better opponent will make Romney better too

does that ever happen in real life

Romney is so flat footed and tone deaf that if he wander off script he will be lost

I predict that Romney will just recite his canned answers no matter what the question is

my whole post was facetious.  Romney got pwnt by morons like perry and cain.  Romney is going to be a stiff, uncomfortable, annoyed a-hole in the debates.

obama haters will call it awesome, moderate voters will just get a reminder what they're getting with romney - a very weak alternative to obama.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 10:13:46 AM »

so you think a better opponent will make Romney better too

does that ever happen in real life

Romney is so flat footed and tone deaf that if he wander off script he will be lost

I predict that Romney will just recite his canned answers no matter what the question is
LOL yes b/c obama is great off the cuff

"the private sector is doing fine"

"we tried our plan and it worked"

"ugh, ugghhh, uhhhhhhh"
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 10:17:48 AM »

LOL yes b/c obama is great off the cuff

"the private sector is doing fine"

"we tried our plan and it worked"

"ugh, ugghhh, uhhhhhhh"

they are still madly in love w Obama and refuse to see the reality of the situation.   Obama can't get away w his lies this time around and has to defend his failed presidency.   

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 10:19:31 AM »

LOL yes b/c obama is great off the cuff

"the private sector is doing fine"

"we tried our plan and it worked"

"ugh, ugghhh, uhhhhhhh"

if you're pinning your hopes on quotes taken out of context where the vast majority of the audience knows exactly what he is saying then good luck to you



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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 10:20:39 AM »

my whole post was facetious.  Romney got pwnt by morons like perry and cain.  Romney is going to be a stiff, uncomfortable, annoyed a-hole in the debates.

obama haters will call it awesome, moderate voters will just get a reminder what they're getting with romney - a very weak alternative to obama.

ok - I didn't catch the sarcasm

how many f'ng debates did the Repubs have - something like 15

I didn't watch most of them
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 10:21:10 AM »

LOL yes b/c obama is great off the cuff

"the private sector is doing fine"

"we tried our plan and it worked"

"ugh, ugghhh, uhhhhhhh"

He is terrible without his teleprompter.  
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2012, 10:21:19 AM »

LOL yes b/c obama is great off he cuff
"the private sector is doing fine"
"we tried our plan and it worked"
"ugh, ugghhh, uhhhhhhh"

Obama has some gaffes in speeches, as does every president we've ever had.

THe thing is, the debates were a great chance for hilary and mccain to pwn him and they didn't.

NOW he is a cocky MFer - you can't deny that - Obama was cautious and idealistic in 2008.  today he's a cocky prick who will bring up all the bad guys he's sent to 72 virgins every chance he gets.  He's tougher now.  Romney needs to be tough too.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2012, 10:26:42 AM »

they are still madly in love w Obama and refuse to see the reality of the situation.   Obama can't get away w his lies this time around and has to defend his failed presidency.   

again, utterly tone deaf or just stupid, I can never tell with you

how many times have I told you he will run on his record and that's exactly what he is doing

why do you think Romney is wasting time insulting his smarter constituents by flogging this "you didn't build it" lie

the reason is because he has nothing else to talk about and other than abortion he won't take a stand on anything


Don't worry though - you're the genius who thinks Obama is going to drop out before the election so you won't even have to sweat the debates
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 10:33:28 AM »

the reason is because he has nothing else to talk about and other than abortion he won't take a stand on anything

precisely.   

His gov record?  He's not bringing up romneycare.
Immigration?  He won't risk alienative tea partiers who want to lock the border, or hispanic vote.
Obamacare?  he's silent now that SCOTUS has made it law
his biz experience?  After being caught in lie about workign there from 99-02, he's not "going there".


So yeah, what the heck else can he talk about?
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2012, 10:35:29 AM »

precisely.   

His gov record?  He's not bringing up romneycare.
Immigration?  He won't risk alienative tea partiers who want to lock the border, or hispanic vote.
Obamacare?  he's silent now that SCOTUS has made it law
his biz experience?  After being caught in lie about workign there from 99-02, he's not "going there".


So yeah, what the heck else can he talk about?


Lol.  You Obama cultists are really too much.   All he has to say is "if you think the private sector is doing fine and his plan worked . . . . Vote for him". 


Case closed.  Good night. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2012, 10:36:58 AM »


Against a stronger Obama (which he is, ask hilary and mccain...), he should do every better.

This ignores context.

How would Hilary do against him, now that he's had a first term and can't campaign on just an idea/slogan?
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2012, 10:39:12 AM »


Lol.  You Obama cultists are really too much.   All he has to say is "if you think the private sector is doing fine and his plan worked . . . . Vote for him". 


Case closed.  Good night. 

have you checked the stock market recently or corporate profits or the real estate market

much of the private sector is doing fine

My business is doing great as are many others I know

The global economy is definitely slowing down but the US is doing much better than alot of the world

Obviosuly we still have problem but you woudl have to be a world class moron (and of course you are) to pretend that things havne't gotten better since he took office
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »

have you checked the stock market recently or corporate profits or the real estate market

much of the private sector is doing fine

My business is doing great as are many others I know

The global economy is definitely slowing down but the US is doing much better than alot of the world

Obviosuly we still have problem but you woudl have to be a world class moron (and of course you are) to pretend that things havne't gotten better since he took office


Lol.    Did you even see the GDP number yesterday and downward revisions for 2010? 

Moron.    Record numbers on food stamps, record number unemployed, record number on disability, record debts and deficit, etc


yeah, doing fine alright. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2012, 10:48:07 AM »

This ignores context.

How would Hilary do against him, now that he's had a first term and can't campaign on just an idea/slogan?

obama is going to be stronger in 12 than he was in 08.  

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Lol.    Did you even see the GDP number yesterday and downward revisions for 2010? 

Moron.    Record numbers on food stamps, record number unemployed, record number on disability, record debts and deficit, etc


yeah, doing fine alright. 

and what was the GDP when he took office

obviously you ignored this part of my post:

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Obviosuly we still have problem but you woudl have to be a world class moron (and of course you are) to pretend that things havne't gotten better since he took office
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2012, 10:54:42 AM »

obama is going to be stronger in 12 than he was in 08.  




Lol!!!!!!   Come on now. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »


Lol!!!!!!   Come on now. 

his record is shitty, ,but he has some brass fcking balls.  Even an obama hater like you has to admit that.  he's not lookiing at romney with fear.  He's cocky and arrogant.  He's had the ability to blow up any person on the planet from 5000 miles away for 4 years now.

If you deny obama is stronger, sharper, more experienced, and shrewder now, than candidate obama was in 2008.... then youre just LYING to yourself.

it is okay to say he sucks, but he will be much tougher for romney now due to his 4 years of running shit.
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2012, 11:18:04 AM »

compare bush in 04 vs bush in 2000.

In 04, he was shrewd and confident MFer against kerry.
in 00, he was gentle, theory-based, lovey dovey against Gore.

Four years at such a stressful job will grow some balls on a president, no denying that.

Clinton too - he was a 'i wanna please everyone' dude in 92.  in 96, he was all swagger, all 'fuck you if you dont like it', etc.

Obama will be like them - weaker records to be attacked on, BUT balls that hang down to his fcking knees.


You dont have to admit it, if your ego won't let you.  it's like this with all presidents.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2012, 11:21:49 AM »

his record is shitty, ,but he has some brass fcking balls.  Even an obama hater like you has to admit that.  he's not lookiing at romney with fear.  He's cocky and arrogant.  He's had the ability to blow up any person on the planet from 5000 miles away for 4 years now.

If you deny obama is stronger, sharper, more experienced, and shrewder now, than candidate obama was in 2008.... then youre just LYING to yourself.

it is okay to say he sucks, but he will be much tougher for romney now due to his 4 years of running shit.
Ha ha hah !!!!! 

yeah, every time off his trusted TelePrompTer a new ad is created due to his bullshit.   
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2012, 11:28:15 AM »

Ha ha hah !!!!! 

yeah, every time off his trusted TelePrompTer a new ad is created due to his bullshit.   

ya better run on his speeches.  cause ya sure can't run on anything romney stands for.  We don't even konw what that is from week to week.

at least obama sucks and does so consitently.  You can't tell me what romney will do on Dream.  You can't tell me what he intends to do on romneycare.  You can't defend his assertion he didn't work at bain from 99-02 (paychecks, board meetings, press releases, his own claim of 25 years up to 2002)...

Romney is a joke you can't defend - so yes, please attack obama's pronouns use in a speech.  that's all the GOP has right now Sad
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2012, 11:41:47 AM »

ya better run on his speeches.  cause ya sure can't run on anything romney stands for.  We don't even konw what that is from week to week.

at least obama sucks and does so consitently.  You can't tell me what romney will do on Dream.  You can't tell me what he intends to do on romneycare.  You can't defend his assertion he didn't work at bain from 99-02 (paychecks, board meetings, press releases, his own claim of 25 years up to 2002)...

Romney is a joke you can't defend - so yes, please attack obama's pronouns use in a speech.  that's all the GOP has right now Sad


Ha a ha.    Obamas record speaks for itself.   
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