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CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« on: July 29, 2012, 02:27:58 PM »
In a recent interview, Chihuahua state spokesman Guillermo Terrazas Villanueva told Al Jazeera that the CIA and other international “security” outfits "don't fight drug traffickers." Instead, Villanueva argued, they try to control and manage the illegal drug market for their own benefit....

Some of the most prominent officials to level charges of CIA drug trafficking include the former head of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Robert Bonner. During an interview with CBS, Bonner accused the American “intelligence” outfit of unlawfully importing a ton of cocaine into the U.S. in collaboration with the Venezuelan government...

Last year, an explosive report in the Washington Times, citing a CIA source, speculated that the agency may be deliberately helping certain Mexican cartels to beat out others for geopolitical purposes. According to the sources, the intelligence outfit might have also played a key role in the now-infamous Fast and Furious scandal, which saw the federal government providing thousands of high-powered weapons to Mexican cartels...

Numerous drug bosses and American officials have made similar claims, alleging that the U.S. government in essence controls at least some of the cartels. According to former DEA operative and whistleblower Celerino Castillo, American federal authorities have even been training members of the brutal Los Zetas cartel in Texas

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http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12247-cia-%E2%80%9Cmanages%E2%80%9D-drug-trade-mexican-official-says

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 02:30:19 PM »
LOL @ a Mexican official blaming someone else. Convenient to point fingers elsewhere when your country is arguably the most corrupt in the world.

Protip: The entire Mexican govt. is bought and paid for by one cartel or another. Same goes for the police and local politicians.

But it's widely regarded in Mexico that the Mexican and the US govt. are providing assistance to the Sinaloa Cartel in an attempt to help them eradicate Los Zetas (which isn't working anyway as they continue to take ground from the Sinaloas).

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 02:34:20 PM »
War on drugs is a total fail on so many levels.   Mexico however has as much to blame in this as anyone.


In a recent interview, Chihuahua state spokesman Guillermo Terrazas Villanueva told Al Jazeera that the CIA and other international “security” outfits "don't fight drug traffickers." Instead, Villanueva argued, they try to control and manage the illegal drug market for their own benefit....

Some of the most prominent officials to level charges of CIA drug trafficking include the former head of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Robert Bonner. During an interview with CBS, Bonner accused the American “intelligence” outfit of unlawfully importing a ton of cocaine into the U.S. in collaboration with the Venezuelan government...

Last year, an explosive report in the Washington Times, citing a CIA source, speculated that the agency may be deliberately helping certain Mexican cartels to beat out others for geopolitical purposes. According to the sources, the intelligence outfit might have also played a key role in the now-infamous Fast and Furious scandal, which saw the federal government providing thousands of high-powered weapons to Mexican cartels...

Numerous drug bosses and American officials have made similar claims, alleging that the U.S. government in essence controls at least some of the cartels. According to former DEA operative and whistleblower Celerino Castillo, American federal authorities have even been training members of the brutal Los Zetas cartel in Texas

full article:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12247-cia-%E2%80%9Cmanages%E2%80%9D-drug-trade-mexican-official-says


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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 02:35:28 PM »
LOL @ a Mexican official blaming someone else. Convenient to point fingers elsewhere when your country is arguably the most corrupt in the world.

Protip: The entire Mexican govt. is bought and paid for by one cartel or another. Same goes for the police and local politicians.

But it's widely regarded in Mexico that the Mexican and the US govt. are providing assistance to the Sinaloa Cartel in an attempt to help them eradicate Los Zetas (which isn't working anyway as they continue to take ground from the Sinaloas).
I get that Mexican officials don't have much credit as far as pointing fingers, that's true.  But what about the rest of the article... It's hardly just mexican officials pointing fingers.  This makes some sense with shit like why in the hell fast and furious would really be happening.  I don't believe their real motives were just to track guns.

Do you think the entire article is BS? Do you think the general accusation against the CIA here is without any merit and untrue?  I'm curious, not trying to start a fight.

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 02:39:06 PM »
I get that Mexican officials don't have much credit as far as pointing fingers, that's true.  But what about the rest of the article... It's hardly just mexican officials pointing fingers.  This makes some sense with shit like why in the hell fast and furious would really be happening.  I don't believe their real motives were just to track guns.

Do you think the entire article is BS? Do you think the general accusation against the CIA here is without any merit and untrue?  I'm curious, not trying to start a fight.

I agree with it. CIA? Maybe. US govt? For sure. Read the Mexican narco blogs and it's widely regarded as fact down in Mexico that the Mexican/US govt. are helping the Sinaloa Cartel against Los Zetas, who are more of a paramilitary narcoterrorist organization than a drug cartel.

I think everyone in those governments would rather deal with the Sinaloa Cartel as opposed to the Zetas, who are completely off the reservation. Not that the assistance seems to be helping as the Sinaloas don't seem to have the killers to stop the Zetas from continuing to expand.

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 02:41:53 PM »
I agree with it. CIA? Maybe. US govt? For sure. Read the Mexican narco blogs and it's widely regarded as fact down in Mexico that the Mexican/US govt. are helping the Sinaloa Cartel against Los Zetas, who are more of a paramilitary narcoterrorist organization than a drug cartel.

I think everyone in those governments would rather deal with the Sinaloa Cartel as opposed to the Zetas, who are completely off the reservation. Not that the assistance seems to be helping as the Sinaloas don't seem to have the killers to stop the Zetas from continuing to expand.

They are trying to stop the Zetas also because the Zetas are more ruthless in that they have no problem committing the same acts of barbarism in the USA territory and are actively expanding and affiliating w groups like Mexican mafia etc. 

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 02:45:11 PM »
They are trying to stop the Zetas also because the Zetas are more ruthless in that they have no problem committing the same acts of barbarism in the USA territory and are actively expanding and affiliating w groups like Mexican mafia etc. 

Yup. The Sinaloa Cartel prefers to buy people off while acting as more of a business whereas the Zetas seem to prefer chopping people into pieces and taking anything they want through brutality and violence. It's funny that people talk about Syria non-stop while the Zetas chop up 49 people and dump them on a highway.

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 02:47:07 PM »
Yup. The Sinaloa Cartel prefers to buy people off while acting as more of a business whereas the Zetas seem to prefer chopping people into pieces and taking anything they want through brutality and violence. It's funny that people talk about Syria non-stop while the Zetas chop up 49 people and dump them on a highway.

50,000 dead in recent years and barely a word.

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2012, 02:50:11 PM »
Last year, an explosive report in the Washington Times, citing a CIA source, speculated that the agency may be deliberately helping certain Mexican cartels to beat out others for geopolitical purposes. According to the sources, the intelligence outfit might have also played a key role in the now-infamous Fast and Furious scandal, which saw the federal government providing thousands of high-powered weapons to Mexican cartels.

Shortly before that, The New American reported on federal court filings by a top Sinaloa Cartel operative that shed even more insight on the U.S. government’s role in drug trafficking. The accused “logistical coordinator” for the cartel, Jesus Vicente “El Vicentillo” Zambada-Niebla, claimed that he had an agreement with top American officials: In exchange for information on rival cartels, the deal supposedly gave him and his associates immunity to import multi-ton quantities of drugs across the border.

“Indeed, United States government agents aided the leaders of the Sinaloa Cartel,” the court filing states. Zambada-Niebla is currently being held in federal prison, but he argues that he is innocent because he had approval from — and collaborated with — U.S. agencies in his illegal drug-trafficking operations.

Another expert who spoke with Al Jazeera, a university professor, also indicated that the American federal government was deeply involved in the drug trafficking business. He said the drug war was an “illusion" aimed at justifying control of populations and intervention in Latin America. As evidence, he pointed to the fact that one of the top drug kingpins in the world — billionaire “El Chapo” of the Sinaloa cartel — operates openly and with impunity.

Numerous drug bosses and American officials have made similar claims, alleging that the U.S. government in essence controls at least some of the cartels. According to former DEA operative and whistleblower Celerino Castillo, American federal authorities have even been training members of the brutal Los Zetas cartel in Texas.

CIA and DEA insider Phil Jordan, meanwhile, publicly claimed last year that the Obama administration was selling military-grade weaponry to the deadly organization through a front company in Mexico. And with the Fast and Furious scandal, it emerged that the Obama administration was using tax money to arm Mexican cartels, then exploiting the ensuing violence to attack the Second Amendment.

The President and his Department of Justice have been engaged in a cover-up since whistleblowers first exposed the scheme more than a year ago, leading Congress to hold disgraced Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt. Another congressional investigation being obstructed by the Justice Department surrounds DEA drug-money laundering operations revealed in an explosive New York Times article late last year.

"While the quality of the involvement of the CIA and other security agencies may be debatable, it is impossible to excise the blame from America," noted an analysis about the latest allegations published by Catholic Online. "If the CIA is part of the problem, then it will only be one more sign of the corruption and evil that pervades American and Mexican politics and holds hostage millions of innocents."

Some 50,000 people have died just in recent years as part of Mexico’s U.S. government-backed “war on drugs,” and anger south of the border continues to build. But even as Latin American leaders openly debate legalization and threaten to defect from the controversial “war,” the Obama administration has promised to continue showering taxpayer money on regimes that expand the battle.

Meanwhile, as the bloodshed continues to spiral out of control, the U.S. border remains virtually wide open on purpose, according to experts. And despite tens of billions spent on the endless “war,” numerous analyses indicate that the flow of illegal drugs into America is actually growing — not to mention consumption. By contrast, Portugal, which legalized all drugs about a decade ago, has seen declining rates of addiction, drug abuse, and crime.

In the United States, pressure is still growing on both sides of the aisle to reform or end the unconstitutional federal drug war once and for all, with polls showing rapidly declining support among voters. Over a dozen states have already nullified some unconstitutional federal statutes on marijuana as well. How long the "war" will go on, however, may depend on the federal government’s ability to continue borrowing funds to wage it.

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2012, 03:13:30 PM »
Any issues with the fact that these drug shipments make it to the American market aided by our tax dollars?  Where does the money go that the CIA takes in from their role?  I get that we might want one bad guy over another bad guy.  The US has always sided with scum against scum for various reasons.  But isn't there a side to this that's WTF for Americans?

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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2014, 06:08:00 PM »
The CIA dealing in drugs is old news. Between the San José Mercury News and Michael Ruppert this has been reported on since the early 1990's

It's been well known that America's "War on Drugs" was a war to control the drug trade, not wipe it out. That's why Bush Snr. went after Noriega. He was severing the partnership. Anyone who at this stage doesn't understand the CIA is probably the biggest drug dealer on the planet is so unconscious no amount of information will wake them up. Not even if a CIA cargo plane crash landed in their backyard with tonnes of cocaine. Pablo Escobar was a jilted lover.  ::)
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Re: CIA "Manages"¯ Drug Trade, Mexican Official Says
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2014, 06:10:09 PM »
Any issues with the fact that these drug shipments make it to the American market aided by our tax dollars?  Where does the money go that the CIA takes in from their role?  I get that we might want one bad guy over another bad guy.  The US has always sided with scum against scum for various reasons.  But isn't there a side to this that's WTF for Americans?

It goes to covert ops, wet work, destabilizing countries, bribing dictators, and keeping the stock markets moving, and TBTF's awash in liquidity.
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