Author Topic: WTF do I do? (Read 11227 times)

The Onion · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:42:38 AM »

Some of you are not going to like this...

Whey Protein Before and During Resistance Exercise Has No Effect on Muscle Mass and Strength in Untrained Young Adults.

"PURPOSE: To determine the effects of whey protein before and during resistance exercise (RE) on body composition and strength in young adults.
METHODS: Participants were randomized to ingest whey protein (PRO; 0.3g·kg-1 protein; n=9, 24.58±1.8 yrs, 88.3±17.1 kg, 172.5±8.0 cm) or placebo (PLA; 0.2g·kg-1 corn-starch maltodextrin + 0.1g·kg-1 sucrose; n=8, 23.6±4.4 yrs, 82.6±16.1 kg, 169.4±9.2 cm) during RE (3 sets of 6-10 repetitions for 9 whole-body exercises), which was performed 4 days per week for 8 weeks. Protein and placebo were mixed with water (600ml) and 50% of the solution containing 0.15g·kg-1 of protein or placebo was consumed immediately prior to the start of exercise and ~1.9% of the remaining solution containing ~0.006g·kg-1 of protein or placebo was consumed immediately following each training set. Before and after the study, measures were taken for lean tissue mass (dual energy x-ray absorptiometry), muscle size of the elbow and knee flexors and extensors and ankle dorsi flexors and plantar flexors (ultrasound), and muscle strength (1-repetition maximum chest press).
RESULTS: There was a significant increase (p<0.05) in muscle size of the knee extensors (PRO: 0.6±0.4 cm, PLA: 0.1±0.5 cm), knee flexors (PRO: 0.4±0.6 cm, PLA: 0.5±0.7 cm), ankle plantar flexors (PRO: 0.6±0.7 cm, PLA: 0.8±1.4 cm), and chest press strength (PRO: 16.6±11.1 kg, PLA: 9.1±14.6 kg) over time, with no differences between groups.
CONCLUSION: The ingestion of whey protein immediately before the start of exercise and again following each training set has no effect on muscle mass and strength in untrained young adults." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22806076

MORTALCOIL · « **Reply #26 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:46:02 AM »

In before Tito posts it. Uncle Heiny disapproves your lack of discipline. WTF, son?

The Onion · « **Reply #27 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:49:52 AM »

Another one...

Whey Protein Supplementation Does Not Affect Exercise Training-Induced Changes in Body Composition and Indices of Metabolic Syndrome in Middle-Aged Overweight and Obese Adults.

"Little is known about the effects of different quantities of whey protein on exercise training–induced changes in body composition and indices of metabolic syndrome in middle-aged overweight and obese adults. Therefore, we examined the effects of consuming 0.8-MJ supplements with 0 (n = 126), 10 (n = 112), 20 (n = 44), or 30 (n = 45) g whey protein twice daily in conjunction with resistance (2 d/wk) and aerobic (1 d/wk) exercise training in a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, community-based 9-mo study in men (n = 117) and women (n = 210; age: 48 ± 7.9 y; BMI: 30.0 ± 2.8 kg/m2). Whey protein supplementation did not influence any of the following outcomes, some of which were affected by training. Among all participants, strength increased by 15 ± 12% (P < 0.001) and maximal oxygen uptake capacity (VO2max) increased by 9 ± 15% (P < 0.001). Body weight was unchanged (0.1 ± 3.7 kg, P = 0.80), lean body mass increased by 1.9 ± 2.8% (0.95 ± 1.3 kg, P < 0.001), and fat mass decreased by 2.6 ± 9.4% (−0.86 ± 3.1 kg, P = 0.001). Oral-glucose-tolerance testing showed that plasma glucose AUC was unchanged (−18.0 ± 170 mmol/L· 3 h, P = 0.16), insulin AUC decreased by 2.6 ± 32% (−7.5 ± 29 nmol/L· 3 h, P = 0.01), and HOMA-IR (0.2 ± 2.0, P = 0.81) and the insulin sensitivity index (0.3 ± 3.0, P = 0.63) were unchanged. Plasma concentrations of TG; total, LDL, and HDL cholesterol; C-reactive protein; plasminogen activator inhibitor-1; blood pressure; and waist circumference were unchanged. Whey protein supplementation did not affect exercise training–induced responses in body composition and indices of metabolic syndrome in middle-aged overweight and obese adults who maintained body weight." - http://jn.nutrition.org/content/early/2012/06/19/jn.111.153619.full.pdf+html

The Onion · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:53:01 AM »

And a third one...

Supplementation with protein before or after training has no effect on muscle mass and strength in older men.

"We determined the effects of protein supplementation immediately before (PRO-B) and after (PRO-A) resistance training (RT; 12 weeks) in older men (59-76 years), and whether this reduces deficits in muscle mass and strength compared to younger men (18-40 years). Older men were randomized to PRO-B (0.3 g/kg protein before RT + placebo after RT, n=9), PRO-A (placebo before + protein after RT, n=10), or PLA (placebo before and after RT, n=10). Lean tissue mass, muscle thickness of the elbow, knee, and ankle flexors and extensors, and leg and bench press strength were measured before and after RT and compared to databases of younger subjects (n=22-60). Myofibrillar protein degradation (3-methylhistidine) and bone resorption (cross-linked N-telopeptides) were also measured before and after RT. Lean tissue mass, muscle thickness (except ankle dorsi flexors), and strength increased with training (P<0.05), with little difference between groups. There were no changes in 3-methylhistidine or cross-linked N-telopeptides. Before RT, all measures were lower in the older compared to younger groups (P<0.05), except for elbow extensor muscle thickness. Following training, muscle thickness of the elbow flexors and ankle dorsi flexors and leg press strength were no longer different than the young, and elbow extensor muscle thickness was greater in the old men (P<0.05). Supplementation with protein before or after training has no effect on muscle mass and strength in older men. RT was sufficient to overcome deficits in muscle size of the elbow flexors and ankle dorsi flexors and leg press strength in older compared to younger men." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16767436

Trapper_Slapper · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:07:59 AM »

There's way too many posts to quote in here...
Definitely comedy gold.

The Onion · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:13:47 AM »

Quote from: snx on July 31, 2012, 08:09:57 AM

Forget that shit Onion.

That's just studies done on old and fat people.

Now, if they want to do a study on competitive bodybuilders, who are living in the trenches trying to get protein every day, then maybe I'll listen. How can Flex magazine have been wrong for all these years? Answer me that!

Docs keep telling me I need to slow down from my one-sustanon-a-day course. But they don't know what I'm going thru to win. If they did, they'd be a lot more supportive. Better to die early and leave a good looking corpse, right?

It's a conspiracy. Scientists and docs don't want guys to get big and shredded, because they know their women will want us. It's all propaganda, and you know it!

Quoted for truth... or something.

Irongrip400 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:14:32 AM »

Ok, I just had to drop off some paperwork at my CPA and decided to skip the elevator and take the stairs(gotta get that cardio). Well, I notice my calves are burning, and wonder, are they going into a catabolic state right as I type? Is this the reason for my small calves? Like every bodybuilder, I dedicate a few sets once a month with the heavy iron, but still can't seem to get growth. Have I been working backwards this whole time by not keeping an RTD protein in my pocket, ready to wage war against muscle catabolism? I always thought that my small calves were from me being half black( from the waist down, you know, small waist, big cock, nice upper legs and high insertion calves). Was this not the case the whole time?

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:22:01 AM »

Sometimes you gotta inject the whey directly into the calf muscle bro

And no stairs..the increase in heart rate you feel means your body is starting to burn muscle mass off

HavoX · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:51:55 AM »

Staircases are a tricky subject. This is where most people eject the most aerosol protein. So much so that branch warren risked his life for us by falling down them, just to inhale that growth potentiator.

However studies have shown that more than 4 stairs in a row will minimize calf results. Also watermelon. This is known.

bike nut · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:55:01 AM »

Quote from: irongrip400 on July 30, 2012, 05:24:00 PM

Got back from the gym about and hour ago and needed to run by the grocery store. My chicken is in the oven now, I didn't get a chance to drink my 30 grams of whey, and I missed my anabolic window. What do I do? 240, I'd like your opinion on this catastrophe.

Two things rookie.....write them down and learn from the master.

(1) Grocery store on speed dial
(2) Grocery store delivery

You are welcome.

snx · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:59:01 AM »

Quote from: irongrip400 on July 31, 2012, 10:14:32 AM

Ok, I just had to drop off some paperwork at my CPA and decided to skip the elevator and take the stairs(gotta get that cardio). Well, I notice my calves are burning, and wonder, are they going into a catabolic state right as I type? Is this the reason for my small calves? Like every bodybuilder, I dedicate a few sets once a month with the heavy iron, but still can't seem to get growth. Have I been working backwards this whole time by not keeping an RTD protein in my pocket, ready to wage war against muscle catabolism? I always thought that my small calves were from me being half black( from the waist down, you know, small waist, big cock, nice upper legs and high insertion calves). Was this not the case the whole time?

Did you inject escilene into both the the lateral and media gastroc head before you did the stairs? If not, not only are you not building, you're losing. C'mon bro -- you can do this! You should be injecting whey directly into the muscle...yes. But without stacking it with escilene, you're only taking care of the anabolic portion - the escilene wards off catabolism.

Every moment, you have to be thinking nitrogen balance. More anabolism. Less catabolism. Make it a mantra.

240 is Back · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2012, 11:01:57 AM »

have you guys ever considered urinating in an empty water jug while in the gym, to prevent the catabolism that occurs walking to the restroom?

I do it at home all the time, there's no point in burning that mass walking to the toilet when you've over 20 feet away.

But in public, people don't always understand the war we wage. They're beneath it.

240 is Back · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2012, 11:03:08 AM »

Quote from: snx on July 31, 2012, 10:59:01 AM

You should be injecting whey directly into the muscle...yes.

But is HAS to be the isolate hydrolysate whey - or you're going to be wasting everybody's time.

MORTALCOIL · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2012, 11:46:53 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 31, 2012, 11:03:08 AM

But is HAS to be the isolate hydrolysate whey - or you're going to be wasting everybody's time.

Lots of valuable infos in this thread. Thnks to you all. Word is people at bodybuilding.com and similar sites have heard about it and it's making a splash. Even the great Pat Banya is said to be following it closely and taking notes. Say no to catabolism!

Tito24 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2012, 12:11:57 PM »

Quote from: MORTALCOIL on July 31, 2012, 07:46:02 AM

In before Tito posts it. Uncle Heiny disapproves your lack of discipline. WTF, son?

hahaha i was just planning to post this one, hilarious

snx · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2012, 12:15:27 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 31, 2012, 11:03:08 AM

But is HAS to be the isolate hydrolysate whey - or you're going to be wasting everybody's time.

You're spot-on 240.

I just sort of assumed that everyone who reads get big is serious about size. Ergo, who here WOULDN'T be using 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin. I mean, it only makes sense to have the basics covered before you get into more advanced shit, right?

If you can't even figure out how to inject 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin into your calves pre-steps, really, what are you doing? Shit or get off the pot man. If you can't do this right, how are you going to handle stacking the 13 different isoforms of interleukins into specific forearm muscles before doing wrist curls to bring out your forearm flexor separation and density?

This sport isn't for everyone, that's for shit-sure.

240 is Back · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2012, 12:25:27 PM »

Quote from: snx on July 31, 2012, 12:15:27 PM

You're spot-on 240.

I just sort of assumed that everyone who reads get big is serious about size. Ergo, who here WOULDN'T be using 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin. I mean, it only makes sense to have the basics covered before you get into more advanced shit, right?

If you can't even figure out how to inject 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin into your calves pre-steps, really, what are you doing? Shit or get off the pot man. If you can't do this right, how are you going to handle stacking the 13 different isoforms of interleukins into specific forearm muscles before doing wrist curls to bring out your forearm flexor separation and density?

This sport isn't for everyone, that's for shit-sure.

People who don't follow these rules deserve mediocrity.

HavoX · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:03:12 PM »

Some of my clients have had success mixing and applying creatine powder, bcaas, flaxseed oil and jan tana. Apply soothing salve liberally to problem areas. A dab in the trunks before bed will make your bottom very happy. This is known.

The Abdominal Snoman · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:17:01 PM »

You are being lied to...The window is 3 to 4 hours...

Viking11 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:37:05 PM »

Amusing, but time to get serious! Missing the anabolic window is akin to missing the wormhole to Paradise when it opens because you're too busy yanking to a 4 year old pictures of Kim Kardasian in US magazine. Blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity just to blow a load. Pathetic. Still theres one last hope, but not in these half measures that have been suggested so far, well intentioned as they are. You need to build a Time Machine. Now. Well actually that won't matter, because when you finish, youll have a Time Machine, and it won't matter when you have it, as you will be able to start at any point in time, go back to the moment when you made you're unforgivable blunder and consume 30 to 50 grams of whey. Hope this helps.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »

Quote from: irongrip400 on July 30, 2012, 05:26:20 PM

I like you, that's why I'll kill you last.

But he lied, didn't he ?

snx · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:32:01 PM »

Quote from: intenceman on July 31, 2012, 01:37:05 PM

Amusing, but time to get serious! Missing the anabolic window is akin to missing the wormhole to Paradise when it opens because you're too busy yanking to a 4 year old pictures of Kim Kardasian in US magazine. Blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity just to blow a load. Pathetic. Still theres one last hope, but not in these half measures that have been suggested so far, well intentioned as they are. You need to build a Time Machine. Now. Well actually that won't matter, because when you finish, youll have a Time Machine, and it won't matter when you have it, as you will be able to start at any point in time, go back to the moment when you made you're unforgivable blunder and consume 30 to 50 grams of whey. Hope this helps.

Talk to Adonis. An anti-gravity suit worn in a time machine can unravel the strings that hold sub-atomic particles together in all 12 dimensions. Think of the mass building opportunities if you were able to sample every drug in every known universe on the other side of our universal membrane! The possibilities are dramatic.

I wonder what 50mg of winstrol goes for in another universe? Probably real human-grade gh15 approved shit! If gh15 really exists in a separate universe. Which, of course he does, since he is god of hormonas and is omnipresent.

Irongrip400 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2012, 04:14:58 PM »

Quote from: snx on July 31, 2012, 12:15:27 PM

You're spot-on 240.

I just sort of assumed that everyone who reads get big is serious about size. Ergo, who here WOULDN'T be using 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin. I mean, it only makes sense to have the basics covered before you get into more advanced shit, right?

If you can't even figure out how to inject 100% ultra-microfiltered and ion-exchanged hydrolysate fortified with additional lactoferrin and beta-lactoglobulin into your calves pre-steps, really, what are you doing? Shit or get off the pot man. If you can't do this right, how are you going to handle stacking the 13 different isoforms of interleukins into specific forearm muscles before doing wrist curls to bring out your forearm flexor separation and density?

This sport isn't for everyone, that's for shit-sure.

Well fuck, I was injecting methoxy-isoflavens directly into the calf muscle, thinking that would break down the myostatin gene for unparalleled hugeness in the calves. Snx, I am using a 29 gauge insulin needle, but do you think it wise or should instep it up to a 3cc syringe? I definitely want to stay away from watermelon, grape drank, blonde white women, and basketball, as they will ruin my calves. That being said, how do I go about opening the anabolic window whilst sleeping?

On a side note, if law enforcement ever looked at this site as a possible steroid sourcing board, they would be totally unaware of what the fuck was going on. They'd either think it was a bunch of degenerates, and leave, or get sucked into the vortex that is getbig, and fake some sort of case ala "The Wire" style so they could spend all waking hours here.

HavoX · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:23:00 PM »

As my earlier post presents, the best way to achieve positive nocturnal nitrogen retention without supplementation is to utilize a textile sublimated rectal protein seepage stopping device over your head. My clients have dubbed the technique "the devil's dutch oven."

Indeed, to play the iron game is to dance with the devil. This is known.

snx · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2012, 09:25:03 PM »

Quote from: irongrip400 on July 31, 2012, 04:14:58 PM

Well fuck, I was injecting methoxy-isoflavens directly into the calf muscle, thinking that would break down the myostatin gene for unparalleled hugeness in the calves. Snx, I am using a 29 gauge insulin needle, but do you think it wise or should instep it up to a 3cc syringe? I definitely want to stay away from watermelon, grape drank, blonde white women, and basketball, as they will ruin my calves. That being said, how do I go about opening the anabolic window whilst sleeping?

On a side note, if law enforcement ever looked at this site as a possible steroid sourcing board, they would be totally unaware of what the fuck was going on. They'd either think it was a bunch of degenerates, and leave, or get sucked into the vortex that is getbig, and fake some sort of case ala "The Wire" style so they could spend all waking hours here.

If you're going to use a pin, you fill it up. Always. So why use a 3cc pin? Use a 5cc pin and get two more ccs. It's those two cc's past the failure/pain point that cause all the growth. Pretty sure Arnold said that in a movie.