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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 12:40:11 PM »
should they be thrown into woodchippers?

No, they should be constantly reminded of the hypocrisy, lies, sell outs, and soul selling they do just to support a communist radical street agitator who is trying to collapse our country. 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2012, 04:53:44 PM »
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A new ad from a super PAC supporting President Obama ties former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney to a family’s loss of health insurance and a woman’s subsequent death from cancer.

It’s the fourth hard-hitting ad from Priorities USA Action that focuses on former workers at companies closed by Romney’s former private equity firm, Bain Capital.


“I don’t think Mitt Romney understands what he’s done to people’s lives by closing the plant,” said Joe Soptic, a former employee at GST Steel in Kansas City, in the ad. He says he lost his health care, and then his wife became ill.

“I don’t know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn’t say anything because she knew that we couldn’t afford the insurance,” Soptic adds. When she finally went to the hospital they found out that it was stage-four cancer, he says. She died soon after.

Soptic concludes, “I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he’s done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned.”

The Republican candidate left Bain before GST Steel went bankrupt; Obama’s team has argued that the story is fair because Romney was at Bain when the initial investment was made.

Romney spokesman Ryan Williams called the ad one of many “discredited and dishonest attacks” meant to “conceal the administration’s deplorable economic record.”




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LMFAO ! ! ! ! ! !


Are you fucking kidding me? 

Romney was not there for 4 years at that point! 





He was there but it makes no difference.  Romney's greed for money which caused that plant to close down had indirect and unforseen consequences.  Those people lost their health insurance because of him and Bain Capital.


He owns it plain and simple and its fair game.  He wasn't paid to say it or anything and he has an legitimate beef with Romney
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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2012, 05:09:04 PM »
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Typical. 



He was there but it makes no difference.  Romney's greed for money which caused that plant to close down had indirect and unforseen consequences.  Those people lost their health insurance because of him and Bain Capital.


He owns it plain and simple and its fair game.  He wasn't paid to say it or anything and he has an legitimate beef with Romney

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2012, 05:13:37 PM »
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Typical. 



If that guy thinks that Mitt Romney is responsible for the death of his wife because they had no health insurance and didn't get regular checkups to save money, then who is anyone to argue with him??  He wasn't compensated or anything and he's not going to get his wife back.


Its not nice to say but its a free country...just like those who say Obama was born in Kenya and is a communist and doesn't care about people.....that's politics

 
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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2012, 06:46:51 PM »
This campaign is out of control.  What we're seeing is utter desperation.  I'm not even sure how they'll be able to deal with all this crap during the debates.  But that's probably part of the strategy.  Throw so much garbage out there that the opposition can't deal with all of it. 

New Obama super PAC cancer ad stretches truth: Will Obama renounce it?
Share posted at 2:21 pm on August 7, 2012
by Howard Portnoy

An earlier article in this space noted that pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA Action has released an outrageous ad that attempts to link Mitt Romney to the cancer death of a Kansas City resident. The woman who succumbed to that dread disease was the wife of a steelworker at a plant in the city that went bankrupt some years after it was acquired by Bain Capital.

The ad was a reach to start with. Romney was no longer running Bain when the company, GST Steel, filed Chapter 11. But it turns out the heartrending story in the ad plays fast and loose with the facts. (h/t reader letget).

The basic outlines of the narrative are accurate. Joe Soptic, the man the ad focuses on, was an employee of GST’s Kansas City plant. His claim that he and his family lost their health insurance when the plant closed seems plausible. It also factual that Soptic’s wife was diagnosed with stage-4 cancer, which ultimately caused her death.

But here is where the narrative runs afoul of the unvarnished truth. Soptic’s claim that his wife became ill “a short time after” the plant closed in 2002 and died “22 days later” does not comport with the facts.
As Alexander Burn writes at Politico:

A 2006 story in the Kansas City Star reported the death of Ranae Soptic, a former champion roller skater: ‘Soptic went to the hospital for pneumonia, but doctors found signs of very advanced cancer, and she died two weeks later on June 22.’

The woman’s death occurred four years after the plant was closed. It is possible that Soptic’s memory is faulty and that he simply misremembers the exact chronology of the events of that period. As Burns notes, “The lapse in time between the plant closing and Soptic’s death doesn’t mean the ad is invalid, but it raises questions about the cause and effect relationship here.”

Burns reached out to Bill Burton, Priorities USA strategist and a former Obama spokesman, about the seeming discrepancy. Burton responded:

We’re illustrating how long it took for communities and individuals to recover from the closing of these businesses. Families and individuals had to find new jobs, new sources of health insurance and a way to make up for the pensions they lost.

But it appears Burton’s “illustration” runs outside the lines. Will the Obama campaign renounce the ad?

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/08/07/new-obama-super-pac-cancer-ad-stretches-truth-will-obama-renounce-it/

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2012, 07:43:58 PM »
Well, at least Obama is consistent.

A few months back Osama ran an equally dishonest and contemptible attack ad against Romney which highlighted the atrocities of Capitalism and the exploitation of the 99% through Mitt's dark alliance with Bain Capital.

 The ad in question highlighted GST Steel-- an outfit which closed its doors in 2001. Unfortunately for Obama (and the facts, reality etc.) Romney left his day to day operation of Bain in 1999 to run the Olympic Games in Salt Lake City. The following article from Forbes magazine describes in greater detail why the ad is utter crap: http://www.forbes.com/sites/garyshapiro/2012/05/23/innovation-and-capitalism-obama-ad-backfires/

But even more to the point, Jonathan Lavine was at Bain when GST was shut down. Yes, that would be the same Jonathan Lavine who moonlights as one of the biggest bundlers for team Obama.


The equally nauseating ad which aired today-- also highlights GST Steel! This time an extremely suspicious sounding (albeit sad) story is told from one of the same GST workers who appeared in a previous Obama smear job against Romney. This time he got laid off, his wife got cancer- blah blah blah-- Romney did it.

Besides the fact that the story told in the ad makes no sense whatsoever: (1) His wife knew she was sick, but didn't tell him or go to the doctor because it was too expensive?! Was she psychic? Had she never heard of medicaid? Was she not on speaking terms with her husband? (2) Romney had nothing to do with GST being shut down and now-- as the other shoe drops; the truth is revealed= http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/07/ad-linking-romney-to-death-of-the-wife-of-a-laid-off-steelworker-not-accurate/

Obviously, Romney had nothing to do with this woman's death. I'm pretty sure cancer did her in. Although, I would check the coroners cause of death. The toe tag might say "Victim of Mitt Romney and Capitalism".

It turns out that the wife of the GST worker who died didn't even depend on her husbands medical insurance. Her employer was the primary source of her medical insurance. IN addition, it wasn't until she got hurt on the job in 2003 ( at a non Bain owned entity-- sorry everyone for the bad news) that she was forced to leave her job. As a result she lost her medical insurance. The entire sob story told in this ad about being diagnosed with cancer and then dying shortly afterward didn't happen until 2006. Romney officially stepped down from Bain in 2002 and had no hand in day to day operations as of 1999. Without being redundant, guess who was at Bain during the years in question-- Drumroll....... Jonathan Lavine.

As I said, at least Obama is consistent.

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2012, 07:52:13 PM »

If that guy thinks that Mitt Romney is responsible for the death of his wife because they had no health insurance and didn't get regular checkups to save money, then who is anyone to argue with him??  He wasn't compensated or anything and he's not going to get his wife back.


Its not nice to say but its a free country...just like those who say Obama was born in Kenya and is a communist and doesn't care about people.....that's politics

 

So according to you then, it is perfectly reasonable for agents Zapata and agent Terry to blame. Obama for their sons deaths in fast n furious correct? 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2012, 07:55:53 PM »
Cancer Victim Had Health Insurance For Year or Two After Bain Closed Plant
By Katrina Trinko
August 7, 2012 6:24 P.M. Comments12
Earlier today, pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA released an ad in which Joe Soptic discusses how he lost his job because Bain closed a GST Steel plant in Kansas City, Missouri, in 2001, and notes that his wife passed away of cancer not long after, suggesting that she waited to see a doctor (she had stage 4 cancer by the time she received medical attention) because of the couple’s lack of health insurance.

Well, first it turned out that Soptic’s wife, Ranae Soptic, died in 2006 — five years after the GST Steel plant closed. And now, CNN reports that Soptic told them that Ranae Soptic had health insurance through 2002 or 2003, due to her job at a local thrift store (hat tip: Greg Pollowitz):



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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2012, 08:10:23 PM »
CNN Priorities USA Fact Check (Steelworker's wife 'killed' by Romney quit job w/ health insurance)
CNN via YouTube ^ | Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Posted on August 7, 2012 8:34:00 PM EDT by kristinn

No description at YouTube, so my write up:

CNN's Brianna Kielar spoke with Joe Soptic, a former steelworker featured in a new pro-Obama super PAC ad who was laid off in 2001 when Bain Capital closed the company he had worked at for a reported 30 years. Without directly accusing Soptic and Priorities USA of being despicable liars, CNN lets its reporting call them out as despicable liars.

Soptic told CNN his wife had her own health insurance at her own job when he was laid off. Soptic said his wife quit her job a year or two later due to an unspecified injury, thereby losing her own health insurance. But Soptic still blames her death in 2006 from a brief bout with cancer due to his lack of family health insurance because he was laid off in 2001. In the Priorities USA ad, Soptic says it was a "short time later" from when he was laid off to when his wife got sick and died. CNN reports it was actually five years.

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2012, 08:28:39 PM »
i saw an obama rep on cnn tonight - she would neither own nor disown this ad.

another example of why superPacs are runining this eleciton.

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2012, 08:30:53 PM »
i saw an obama rep on cnn tonight - she would neither own nor disown this ad.

another example of why superPacs are runining this eleciton.

EXACTLY

and given that they can collect unlimited funds from one person or more and never disclose who they are we really have no idea who is really influencing this election

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2012, 08:32:12 PM »
EXACTLY

and given that they can collect unlimited funds from one person or more and never disclose who they are we really have no idea who is really influencing this election


Do you agree this ad is total horesehit? 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2012, 08:34:30 PM »
Do you agree this ad is total horesehit? 

haven't watched it

don't give a shit

Ads make no difference to me and they both bend the truth

the angle of the bend doesn't really matter to me

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2012, 08:37:09 PM »
haven't watched it

don't give a shit

Ads make no difference to me and they both bend the truth

the angle of the bend doesn't really matter to me

I have a bro in Columbus Ohio and he tells me it's 24 7 political ads. 

in NYC we get literally nothing at all.   only ads I have seen are during the olypmics. I'm sure in Cali it's the same.

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2012, 08:47:33 PM »
the ad is horse shit.

SUperPacs are the reason romney had to swing too far right in SC, FL and even michigan... putting himself in a shitty position with moderates for all the crazy shit he had to agree with. 

superpacs are going to do this shit until november.   

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2012, 08:50:20 PM »
the ad is horse shit.

SUperPacs are the reason romney had to swing too far right in SC, FL and even michigan... putting himself in a shitty position with moderates for all the crazy shit he had to agree with. 

superpacs are going to do this shit until november.   

almost all ads are at least 50% horseshit

everyone should know that

I'd like to know who is paying the freight to put these ads on the public airwaves

is that too much to ask ?

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2012, 08:58:52 PM »
I have a bro in Columbus Ohio and he tells me it's 24 7 political ads. 

in NYC we get literally nothing at all.   only ads I have seen are during the olypmics. I'm sure in Cali it's the same.

have you seen the Romney welfare ad?

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2012, 09:05:31 PM »
have you seen the Romney welfare ad?

nothing.   

Only ads I have seen are during the NBC Olympic coverage of the Obama ad which is repeated over and over and over.

it's funny, in NYC we nave nothing p, no ads, no bumper stickers, nothing. 


It's strange.    Am in the middle of the Bronx, see nothing at all. 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2012, 09:17:32 PM »
nothing.  

Only ads I have seen are during the NBC Olympic coverage of the Obama ad which is repeated over and over and over.

it's funny, in NYC we nave nothing p, no ads, no bumper stickers, nothing.  


It's strange.    Am in the middle of the Bronx, see nothing at all.  

it definitely seems like you live in a strange world

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2012, 09:22:07 PM »
it definitely seems like you live in a strange world

Whatever.   I'm telling you, we have no ads, nothing.  If I see one 2012 bumper sticker it's a lot. 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2012, 09:31:01 PM »
Ad linking Romney to death of the wife of a laid off steelworker not accurate
cnn.com ^ | August. 7, 2012 | Brianna Keilar
Posted on August 7, 2012 10:22:26 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY

A new attack ad by a Super PAC backing President Obama appears to blame Mitt Romney for a woman's death from cancer after his company, Bain Capital, shut down the steel mill where the woman's husband worked.

The ad makes it seem like Joe Soptic's wife, Ilyona, lost her battle with cancer shortly after he lost his job at GST Steel in Missouri, where he had worked for almost 30 years.

"When Mitt Romney closed the plant I lost my healthcare, and my family lost their healthcare," Soptic says in the ad put out by Priorities USA Action, the main pro-Obama super PAC. "A short time after that, my wife became ill. I don’t know how long she was sick and I think maybe she didn’t say anything because she knew we couldn’t afford the insurance."

It's a very heart-wrenching story, but it’s not accurate. Here is the actual timeline:

Romney stopped his day-to-day oversight at Bain Capital in 1999 when he left to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, though he officially remained CEO until 2002. Bain Capital shut down GST Steel in 2001, costing Soptic his job.

According to Mr. Soptic, his wife received her primary insurance through her employer – a local thrift store called Savers – and retained it even after his layoff. Soptic's policy through GST Steel was her secondary coverage.

In 2002, Mitt Romney formally left Bain. Sometime in 2002 or 2003, Mr. Soptic says his wife injured her rotator cuff and was forced to leave her job. As a result she lost her health insurance coverage and Mr. Soptic's new job as a janitor did not provide coverage for his spouse.

It was a few years later, in 2006, that Ilyona Soptic went to the hospital with symptoms of pneumonia.

(Excerpt) Read more at whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com ...

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2012, 09:32:15 PM »
Whatever.   I'm telling you, we have no ads, nothing.  If I see one 2012 bumper sticker it's a lot. 

I'm sure sometime tomorrow you'll post Romney's welfare ad

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2012, 09:42:44 PM »
I'm sure sometime tomorrow you'll post Romney's welfare ad


Whatever.   We got nothing going on election wise. 

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Re: Obama SuperPac accusing Romney of almost murder in new ad.
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2012, 03:51:05 AM »
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Obama Smear Campaign On Mitt Romney Continues
Political Realities ^ | 08/08/12 | LD Jackson
Posted on August 8, 2012 6:43:23 AM EDT by LD Jackson

Just when we thought the smear campaign against Mitt Romney could get no worse, it does. I am almost at a loss for words to describe the lies that are now being told about Mitt Romney. Ridiculous and despicable are the only terms that really come close. First, we have Harry Reid and his lies about having a source who told him Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years. Reid says it is up to Romney to prove the allegation false. That was bad enough. Now we have Priorities USA, a Super Pac supporting Barack Obama, publishing an ad that tries to tie the GOP nominee to the death of the wife of a steel worker who lost his job when Bain Capital closed the steel plant where he was working. You can read more on the story at The Lonely Conservative and WyBlog. I am including the ad in its entirety so our readers can see what Mitt Romney is being accused of.

Please visit Political Realities to see the ad.

The real story of the Joe Soptic story basically goes like this. Bain Capital acquired GST Steel in 1993. In 1999, Mitt Romney let Bain Capital to run the Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah. Even though he remains CEO of Bain Capital, Romney has no dealings with the day-to-day operations of the firm. In 2001, GST Steel is closed and Joe Soptic loses his job, as well as his healthcare insurance. His wife still retains her healthcare insurance from her employer. Romney formally leaves Bain Capital in 2002. It is that year, or maybe a year later, in 2003, that Joe Soptic's wife loses her job and her healthcare insurance. In 2006, she was diagnosed with cancer and passes away.

As any discerning adult can see, Mitt Romney had nothing to do with the death of Joe Soptic's wife. I feel for the man, I really do. I am sorry he lost his wife, but the blame for her death does not lie at the feet of Mitt Romney. I would even go so far as to suggest Joe Soptic is not doing his wife's memory any favors by using her in such a dishonest way.

If the Obama campaign was acting in a responsible manner, they would have already distanced themselves from Harry Reid and his lies and accusations against Mitt Romney. They would have already been in the media, explaining how they disagree with the ad published by Priorities USA. But, as we all know, that isn't how Obama works. They are throwing the dirt out for all to see and hoping enough of it sticks to Mitt Romney and persuades enough voters in November.

It doesn't matter that the accusations about Mitt Romney are false. The real story of the death of Joe Soptic's wife doesn't matter to them. The only thing that matters is smearing their opponent into nonexistence. Given the dismal record of Barack Obama, it is their only hope of winning the election. Given the events of the past three years and how Barack Obama has "managed" the economy and our liberties, God help us all if they succeed.