This Just In: Romney to Commit Ritualistic Suicide in One Hour

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The Romney campaign announced to supporters via a phone app that it has selected Paul Ryan as its vice presidential nominee for the 2012 presidential election.

The Obama campaign is surely excited about this; Ryan has gone the furthest among Republicans in proposing detailed plans for slashing social spending in this country, including privatizing Social Security and significantly overhauling Medicare.

The Ryan budget was deeply unpopular when it was proposed; why does the Romney campaign think it will be any less of a liability now? Don't they see how the Obama campaign has operated thus far (like Bush in 2004, and seemingly to similar effect); don't they see that Ryan's proposals are extremely easy wedges to cleave old voters away from the Republican base? His handling of the faux-scandal invented by Democrats over his finances wasn't bad enough; his repeated statements of an unbridled, unilateralist foreign policy akin to George W. Bush's -- the most unpopular president since Nixon -- plus retaining a variety of Bush foreign policy advisers, wasn't enough; no, more self hurt was needed.

Rather than make a safe bet with Portman for a moderate swing-state boost plus the option of quietly implementing a Ryan-esque budget once in office, Romney has ensured these unpopular proposals will be front and center, making them yet more liabilities derived from his own choices -- all in the midst of a historic opportunity.

R.I.P. Willard

[240 is Back]

if social security had been socialized when the market crashed in 2008, about 1/3 of our grandparents would be broke today (and a burden to us).

People can't manage their own retirements - companies are shady.  CEOs get $30 mil parachutes while investors $ is taken.

What are ya gonna do with granny when she's broke and on your couch for 15 years?

[headhuntersix]

Remind me what the Dem plan is......oh yeah u douchbags don't have one. Romney has just made it all about the economy again...ol Barry has no answer for that.

[Soul Crusher]

if social security had been socialized when the market crashed in 2008, about 1/3 of our grandparents would be broke today (and a burden to us).

People can't manage their own retirements - companies are shady.  CEOs get $30 mil parachutes while investors $ is taken.

What are ya gonna do with granny when she's broke and on your couch for 15 years?

What part of broke and busted do you not understand?

[Mr. Magoo]

There goes any chance for my vote

[Soul Crusher]

There goes any chance for my vote

You already said you were voting for Obama remember? 

The only one committing suicide is obama - who got his ass handed to him by Ryan 

[Mr. Magoo]

You already said you were voting for Obama remember? 

I was much more on the fence than I am since Romney picked Ryan

[Straw Man]

I was much more on the fence than I am since Romney picked Ryan

yep, this choice will do nothing to help Romney broaden his base and like yourself will probably push people on the fence toward's Obama

[Soul Crusher]

yep, this choice will do nothing to help Romney broaden his base and like yourself will probably push people on the fence toward's Obama

LOL.  yeah - snake oil and more bullshit promises from obama to keep record debt deficit decay despair vs. someone at least w some plan. 


Where is obama's plan again? 

[Straw Man]

LOL.  yeah - snake oil and more bullshit promises from obama to keep record debt deficit decay despair vs. someone at least w some plan. 


Where is obama's plan again? 

all that will matter is that the Romney/Ryan plan is a double down on Bush era ideas that have already been proven failures

I'm sure you must know that Dems are very happy with the choice of Ryan. 

[Kazan]

all that will matter is that the Romney/Ryan plan is a double down on Bush era ideas that have already been proven failures

I'm sure you must know that Dems are very happy with the choice of Ryan. 

So basically what you are saying is no matter who we vote for, we get more of the same?

[Straw Man]

So basically what you are saying is no matter who we vote for, we get more of the same?

not at all

Romney/Ryan have a different agenda than Obama

If you're for cutting taxes on the 1% and then cutting spending on programs that benefit the middle class in order to pay for it then Romney/Ryan is your clear choice

[Soul Crusher]

not at all

Romney/Ryan have a different agenda than Obama

If you're for cutting taxes on the 1% and then cutting spending on programs that benefit the middle class in order to pay for it then Romney/Ryan is your clear choice

What is obama's budget plan again? 

[Kazan]

not at all

Romney/Ryan have a different agenda than Obama

If you're for cutting taxes on the 1% and then cutting spending on programs that benefit the middle class in order to pay for it then Romney/Ryan is your clear choice

Oh I see class warfare You either fix the economy or non of that shit is going to matter.

[tonymctones]

not at all

Romney/Ryan have a different agenda than Obama

If you're for cutting taxes on the 1% and then cutting spending on programs that benefit the middle class in order to pay for it then Romney/Ryan is your clear choice

as opposed to raising taxes on everyone and losing 700K jobs in the process?

[tonymctones]

all that will matter is that the Romney/Ryan plan is a double down on Bush era ideas that have already been proven failures

I'm sure you must know that Dems are very happy with the choice of Ryan.  

and obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and cut jobs while doing it...

[Straw Man]

Oh I see class warfare You either fix the economy or non of that shit is going to matter.

there is more than one way to fix the economy

if you like Romneys plan then vote for him

[Soul Crusher]

there is more than one way to fix the economy

if you like Romneys plan then vote for him

Well obama's plan is what again? 

[Straw Man]

as opposed to raising taxes on everyone and losing 700K jobs in the process?

based on a flawed study paid for groups who would face marginally higher tax rates

why don't you ever address the flaws in the study when you mention it?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/republicans-twist-flawed-study-to-claim-higher-taxes-on-wealthy-would-harm-economy.php

“Seems odd that the researchers didn’t consider the scenario in which the additional tax revenues are used for deficit reduction,” said Moody’s chief economist Mark Zandi. “It seems to me that is the more relevant scenario. And my sense is that if they did, the results would be very different.”

Indeed, the Ernst & Young study forecasts based on two different assumptions: That the higher revenues are either used to finance across the board tax cuts, or to finance new government spending. It’s only in the latter scenario that the analysts forecast significant economic contraction.

Dean Baker, co-founder of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research offered a similar observation. “It calculated the impact of a tax increase that is used for higher government consumption spending. It does not measure the impact of a tax increase that is used either for deficit reduction or investment in infrastructure and education,” Baker wrote. “The model used in this analysis would likely to show that either of these two uses of higher tax revenue would lead to increases in output, jobs, and wages, not decreases.”

In a followup email, Baker also noted that one of the report’s key assumptions is ahistorical.

“The [projected] reduction in output is due to the fact that with a lower real wage people will opt to work less — thereby less output,” Baker writes. “The empirical support for effects of the size described in the study is pretty weak. If we get this big a loss with tax rates at 39.6 percent, imagine the hit when we had tax rate at 70 percent or even 90 percent. Working backward from the projections in the study, we could say that annual growth would have been 1-2 percentages points higher in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, if we had the current tax rates. I doubt anyone believes that.”

[tonymctones]

based on a flawed study paid for groups who would face marginally higher tax rates

why don't you ever address the flaws in the study when you mention it?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/republicans-twist-flawed-study-to-claim-higher-taxes-on-wealthy-would-harm-economy.php

lol the study is much more concrete and accurate then the study done on romneys plan...

so you think that this is biased but a rebuttle from a liberal think tank isnt? hHAHAHAHHA


Ernst and Young one of the most respected firms IN THE WORLD!!! took a REALISTIC look at what would happen.

"Indeed, the Ernst & Young study forecasts based on two different assumptions: That the higher revenues are either used to finance across the board tax cuts, or to finance new government spending. It’s only in the latter scenario that the analysts forecast significant economic contraction."

so what your saying is you think obama will finally do what he has said and cut spending?

if not then even if the money is put towards the deficit it wont matter b/c he will increase spending like he always has.

So youre betting obama will cut spending?

Yea I wouldnt bet on that if I were you there hoss

[Straw Man]

lol the study is much more concrete and accurate then the study done on romneys plan...

so you think that this is biased but a rebuttle from a liberal think tank isnt? hHAHAHAHHA


Ernst and Young one of the most respected firms IN THE WORLD!!! took a REALISTIC look at what would happen.

"Indeed, the Ernst & Young study forecasts based on two different assumptions: That the higher revenues are either used to finance across the board tax cuts, or to finance new government spending. It’s only in the latter scenario that the analysts forecast significant economic contraction."

so what your saying is you think obama will finally do what he has said and cut spending?

if not then even if the money is put towards the deficit it wont matter b/c he will increase spending like he always has.

So youre betting obama will cut spending?

Yea I wouldnt bet on that if I were you there hoss

great job with your "appeal to authority" argument while avoiding discussion of the actual flaws

[Soul Crusher]

great job with your "appeal to authority" argument while avoiding discussion of the actual flaws

As opposed to what with obama? 

Appeal to hope and change to stupid morons like yourself and then blame everyone else when he fails miserably? 

[Straw Man]

As opposed to what with obama? 

Appeal to hope and change to stupid morons like yourself and then blame everyone else when he fails miserably? 

how about follow the Simpson Bowles plan

you're in favor of that right?

[Soul Crusher]

how about follow the Simpson Bowles plan

you're in favor of that right?

LMFAO!!!!   I was in favor of that plan and Erskine Bowels said obama did not pursue it due to political pressure in the WH from the likes of axelrod, jarrett etc. 


That failure is squarely on the shoulders of obama and no one else. 

[Straw Man]

LMFAO!!!!   I was in favor of that plan and Erskine Bowels said obama did not pursue it due to political pressure in the WH from the likes of axelrod, jarrett etc. 


That failure is squarely on the shoulders of obama and no one else. 

so you're no longer in favor of it?