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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2012, 11:21:55 AM »
not surprisingly, these asswipes in politics voted against the "Stock Act" which would have banned this type of insider nonsense by politicians.


If the tea baggers were truly for the people would they not want this guys ass as well?

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2012, 11:22:26 AM »
The liberals are quite okay with taking about $700 billion out of Medicare to start another new entitlement (Obamacare).

They never look to the future and see that one day it'll all come crumbling down.

They believe that as long as there is one or two "rich folks" everything will be okay.

And they also forget to mention the following:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2012/04/03/john-stossel-tax-the-rich-the-rich-dont-have-enough-really/

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2012, 11:23:49 AM »
The liberals are quite okay with taking about $700 billion out of Medicare to start another new entitlement (Obamacare).

They never look to the future and see that one day it'll all come crumbling down.

They believe that as long as there is one or two "rich folks" everything will be okay.

Obamacare is an entitlement to Insurance Companies, not to the people.  We are not that lucky enough to join the rest of the world in a National Health System/Single Payer.

There is also no evidence that the Republicans want to stop entitlements to Insurance Companies when it comes to Healthcare.  In the end, when it comes to healthcare, both parties seek to leave the people high and dry.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2012, 11:24:59 AM »
Although Ryan is an incredible douchebag,  this story is misleading and false at best.  

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/08/13/paul_ryan_used_inside_info_to_profit_from_the_financial_crisis.html

Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke on the financial crisis in 2008. As Eric Platt explains he certainly seems to have sold the shares on the same day as the meeting, but the meeting happened in the evening by which time the markets would have been closed. One can perhaps construct a scenario by which the Richmonder's theory of the case holds up, but they don't have the goods and I shouldn't have passed their analysis on with no qualification and so little scrutiny of my own.

As Brad DeLong writes, for one reason or another Ryan did quite a lot of trading of individual bank stocks in 2008 so the timing of this particularly transaction isn't particularly noteworthy when put in that context.
For posterity's sake the original item is below now in strikethrough.

And that clears him? I have  a clear idea what a meeting will be about before I enter into the room. Topics of conversation. The guy is summoned to a meeting with leading economists, he must have known something is fucked up. He dumped his shares that morning.

"Coincidence"?

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2012, 11:25:53 AM »
The difference between the 2 is that AM radio attacks policies and their ramifications, while exploring the "motives" behind the policy choices made, on the other hand, the left attacks the person for pure political gain...

Dude, you lose all credibility if you REALLY can't see that there's plenty of rhetoric from both sides, and most of it is inflammatory, ill-supported garbage designed to motivate the mindless.  It's not that tough an admission, either, and it would indicate a level of intellectual honesty - if not intellect - far above Team St0rmfr0nt.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2012, 11:27:38 AM »
And that clears him? I have  a clear idea what a meeting will be about before I enter into the room. Topics of conversation. The guy is summoned to a meeting with leading economists, he must have known something is fucked up. He dumped his shares that morning.

"Coincidence"?


Hey toolbox here you go w your fake outrage

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Why Goldman Sachs, Other Wall Street Titans Are Not Being Prosecuted
Aug 14, 2012 4:45 AM EDT




http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/14/why-goldman-sachs-other-wall-street-titans-are-not-being-prosecuted.html




The Justice Department's decision not to prosecute Goldman Sachs in a financial-fraud probe is another sign of the cronyism that has kept Attorney General Eric Holder from taking action against other big Wall Street firms, says Peter Schweizer.


On Thursday the Department of Justice announced it will not prosecute Goldman Sachs or any of its employees in a financial-fraud probe.
 

The news is likely to raise the ire of the political left and right, both of which have highlighted one of the most inconvenient facts of Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department: despite the Obama administration’s promises to clean up Wall Street in the wake of America’s worst financial crisis, there has not been a single criminal charge filed by the federal government against any top executive of the elite financial institutions.
 

Why is that? In a word: cronyism.
 

Take Goldman Sachs, for example. Thursday’s announcement that there will be no prosecutions should hardly come as a surprise. In 2008, Goldman Sachs employees were among Barack Obama’s top campaign contributors, giving a combined $1,013,091. Eric Holder’s former law firm, Covington & Burling, also counts Goldman Sachs as one of its clients. Furthermore, in April 2011, when the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations issued a scathing report detailing Goldman’s suspicious Abacus deal, several Goldman executives and their families began flooding Obama campaign coffers with donations, some giving the maximum $35,800.


That’s not to say Holder’s Justice Department hasn’t gone after any financial fraudsters. But the individuals the DOJ’s “Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force” has placed in its prosecutorial crosshairs seem shockingly small compared with the Wall Street titans the Obama administration promised to bring to justice.
 
Will bipartisan outrage boost the decibels in D.C. loud enough for Holder to hear and heed?
 
Protesters hold signs during a demonstration outside the Goldman Sachs San Francisco headquarters in San Francisco, July 31, 2012. (Justin Sullivan / Getty Images)
 

Consider the following small-time operators as listed on the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force website:
 

• “Three Connecticut Women Charged with Overseeing ‘Gifting Tables’ Pyramid Scheme.” Three women in their 50s and 60s were indicted for conspiracy, tax, and wire-fraud charges. “These arrests should send a strong message to all who threaten the financial health of our communities,” one federal agent declared.
 

• In March, 2012, the DOJ sent a property appraiser in Washington, D.C., to the slammer for 65 months for fraudulently inflated prices in a scheme to “flip” properties. The scheme was a small-time $1 million operation, a sharp contrast with the billions on Wall Street.
 

• The DOJ’s “get tough” on financial crime strategy included sending two health-care software company executives to the clink for 13 and 15 years.
 

• A Florida resident was charged and sentenced to 14 months in federal prison for falsifying documents, thereby resulting in the obstruction of an SEC investigation.
 

• Five people in California were charged with bid-rigging foreclosure auctions. The individuals have been charged with violating the Sherman Act and could face up to 10 years in jail.
 

• Federal officials went after 10 people in Las Vegas because they tried to “fraudulently gain control of condominium homeowners’ associations in the Las Vegas area so that the HAOs would direct business to a certain law firm and construction company.”
 

• The owner of a Miami company got 46 months in prison for creating fake loan applications.
 

• Four people in Tacoma, Wash., were indicted for conspiracy that caused a small bank to fail. Their crime: making false statements on loan applications and to HUD.
 

To be sure, financial fraud of any kind is wrong and should be prosecuted. But locking up “pygmies” is hardly the kind of financial-fraud crackdown Americans expected in the wake of the largest financial crisis in U.S. history. Increasingly, there appear to be two sets of rules: one for the average citizen, and another for the connected cronies who rule the inside game.
 

That could be changing, as critiques of Eric Holder’s lack of financial prosecutions have now come from the political left and right; indeed, battling cronyism may represent one of the rare points of common ground in today’s fractious political environment. As progressive Richard Eskow of the Huffington Post recently wrote: “More and more Washington insiders are asking a question that was considered off-limits in the nation's capital just a few months ago: Who, exactly, is Attorney General Eric Holder representing? As scandal after scandal erupts on Wall Street, involving everything from global lending manipulation to cocaine and prostitution, more and more people are worrying about Holder's seeming inaction—or worse—in the face of mounting evidence.”
 

Will bipartisan outrage boost the decibels in D.C. loud enough for Holder to hear and heed? We’ll see. He’s got at least three months to get moving.




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Peter Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute and the William J. Casey Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. In 2008-09 he served as a consultant to the White House Office of Presidential Speechwriting and he is a former consultant to NBC News. He has written for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, USA Today, National Review, Foreign Affairs, and elsewhere. His new book is Throw Them All Out.
 


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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2012, 11:27:40 AM »

not surprisingly, these asswipes in politics voted against the "Stock Act" which would have banned this type of insider nonsense by politicians.


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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/obama-signs-bill-banning-insider-trading-by-federal-lawmakers/

"The bill — the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act, or Stock Act — was approved in the House in February by a vote of 417 to 2. The Senate agreed to it by unanimous consent after voting
96 to 3 to end debate on the measure in late March."


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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2012, 11:29:12 AM »
Obamacare is an entitlement to Insurance Companies, not to the people.  We are not that lucky enough to join the rest of the world in a National Health System/Single Payer.

There is also no evidence that the Republicans want to stop entitlements to Insurance Companies when it comes to Healthcare.  In the end, when it comes to healthcare, both parties seek to leave the people high and dry.
Actually, the reality of Obamacare is that it is essentially designed to destroy private Insurers:

"That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.

This is the true ‘bomb’ contained in Obamacare and the one item that will have more impact on the future of how medical care is paid for in this country than anything we’ve seen in quite some time.  Indeed, it is this aspect of the law that represents the true ‘death panel’ found in Obamacare—but not one that is going to lead to the death of American consumers. Rather, the medical loss ratio will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industry."


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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2012, 11:30:00 AM »
And that clears him? I have  a clear idea what a meeting will be about before I enter into the room. Topics of conversation. The guy is summoned to a meeting with leading economists, he must have known something is fucked up. He dumped his shares that morning.

"Coincidence"?
The meeting took place AFTER he sold the stocks, in the evening, when the Markets were closed.  So far, there is nothing to go on and to try to accuse him of wrong-doing is just pointless.

That does not change the fact that he is an out of touch douchebag, career politician who does not really serve the best interests of the people, especially when voting against Stem Cells.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2012, 11:30:13 AM »

Hey toolbox here you go w your fake outrage

haha, brutal Ignoratio elenchi

copy paste some more, but don't forget to take your OCD meds for the night ;)

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2012, 11:33:06 AM »
haha, brutal Ignoratio elenchi

copy paste some more, but don't forget to take your OCD meds for the night ;)

Nice way to avoid the article where Obama/Holder dropped all charges vs Goldman and showing how many conflicts of interest w Holders' law firm, etc. 

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2012, 11:33:14 AM »
Actually, the reality of Obamacare is that it is essentially designed to destroy private Insurers:

"That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.

This is the true ‘bomb’ contained in Obamacare and the one item that will have more impact on the future of how medical care is paid for in this country than anything we’ve seen in quite some time.  Indeed, it is this aspect of the law that represents the true ‘death panel’ found in Obamacare—but not one that is going to lead to the death of American consumers. Rather, the medical loss ratio will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industry."


They should be spending 99.999 percent for patient care and not for anything else.  Making profit off of human suffering and misery is just wrong.  Obamacare ensures that Private Insurers are in no danger of going anywhere anytime soon.  People should get what they pay for and in this case, they still don`t for the most part.


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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »
Nice way to avoid the article where Obama/Holder dropped all charges vs Goldman and showing how many conflicts of interest w Holders' law firm, etc.  

Why would I concern myself with it? There's no need for me to indulge in your Obama obsession/compulsion. It's an irrelevant deflection from the thread topic.

You want to know what I'm actually concerned with? In my own country they've been talking about banking reform for years now and they've done fuck all so far...

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2012, 11:38:19 AM »
Dude, you lose all credibility if you REALLY can't see that there's plenty of rhetoric from both sides, and most of it is inflammatory, ill-supported garbage designed to motivate the mindless.  It's not that tough an admission, either, and it would indicate a level of intellectual honesty - if not intellect - far above Team St0rmfr0nt.
Oh, I can see there is plenty of rhetoric from each side...but I cant say that I have heard murderous accusations by conservatives, much less AM radio...have you?  I worked in DC  in the Senate and on a Senatorial campaign here in CA, and am well aware of the lengths gone to for the sake of a particular candidate's victory first hand, and I have never claimed the right is as pure as the driven snow, but the utter lies and personal attacks spewed by this administration's campaign and its cronies, i.e. Harry Reid, are abysmal, and a new low even in modern politics.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
Why would I concern myself with it? There's no need for me to indulge in your Obama obsession/compulsion. It's an irrelevant deflection from the thread topic.

You want to know what I'm actually concerned with? In my own country they've been talking about banking reform for years now and they've done fuck all so far...



LOL.   Typical 

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2012, 11:39:39 AM »
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/obama-signs-bill-banning-insider-trading-by-federal-lawmakers/

"The bill — the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act, or Stock Act — was approved in the House in February by a vote of 417 to 2. The Senate agreed to it by unanimous consent after voting
96 to 3 to end debate on the measure in late March."

Great work by CBS 60 minutes bringing this issue to light on both sides Republican and Democrat, they had no choice but to pass it.  Sad they got away with it for many years.  Also, now they will probably just clue in their relatives etc.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2012, 11:45:35 AM »
They should be spending 99.999 percent for patient care and not for anything else.  Making profit off of human suffering and misery is just wrong.  Obamacare ensures that Private Insurers are in no danger of going anywhere anytime soon.  People should get what they pay for and in this case, they still don`t for the most part.


And how then do you propose the Insurance companies pay their employees and their insurances I might add?  I know that Med Insurance costs are outrageous, but last time I checked, they have done a whole lot of good for a whole lot of people, including my children.  If the Feds would get out of the way, and truly let the free market dictate what they are willing to pay, simple supply and demand, we would all be a lot better off...just look at the USPS vs. UPS & FedEx...who would you choose if given the chance?

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2012, 11:53:48 AM »
And how then do you propose the Insurance companies pay their employees and their insurances I might add?  I know that Med Insurance costs are outrageous, but last time I checked, they have done a whole lot of good for a whole lot of people, including my children.  If the Feds would get out of the way, and truly let the free market dictate what they are willing to pay, simple supply and demand, we would all be a lot better off...just look at the USPS vs. UPS & FedEx...who would you choose if given the chance?
USPS any day of the week.  I ship out hundreds of packages a month and FEDEx and UPS not only are 4 times as expensive, their service absolutely sucks.  It costs 19.99 cents to ship Parcel 2 lbs at zip 07747 from NC using UPS.  Whereas it is only 4.95 to ship the same package to the same location using USPS.  Plus I have had ZERO problems of the thousands and thousands of things sent out and picked up over the years by the USPS.  The only problems I have ever had were from UPS and FedEX.  Their delivery times are complete shit, especially when sending overseas and even more especially, when sending to rural locations across the United States.

UPS/FEDEx sucks really bad.

As for how should Private Insurance make their money to pay their employees-They don`t need so many and they don`t need to be the middle man between you and your doctor.  We need a single payer system/National Health System.

As a side note, I used to be an employee of United Healthcare years ago.  I didn`t deserve a dime for what I did there.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2012, 11:54:16 AM »
Paul Ryan has demonstrated that he is on the side of Wall Street and the wealthy.

Who do you support?

President Obama who has endlessly fought for the working class in America, or Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney who have spelled out their plan to make the wealthy even wealthier.



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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2012, 12:01:39 PM »
USPS any day of the week.  I ship out hundreds of packages a month and FEDEx and UPS not only are 4 times as expensive, their service absolutely sucks.  It costs 19.99 cents to ship Parcel 2 lbs at zip 07747 from NC using UPS.  Whereas it is only 4.95 to ship the same package to the same location using USPS.  Plus I have had ZERO problems of the thousands and thousands of things sent out and picked up over the years by the USPS.  The only problems I have ever had were from UPS and FedEX.  Their delivery times are complete shit, especially when sending overseas and even more especially, when sending to rural locations across the United States.

UPS/FEDEx sucks really bad.

As for how should Private Insurance make their money to pay their employees-They don`t need so many and they don`t need to be the middle man between you and your doctor.  We need a single payer system/National Health System.

As a side note, I used to be an employee of United Healthcare years ago.  I didn`t deserve a dime for what I did there.
Their efficiency must be why they just posted a $5.2 Billion loss...which leads to my next question of would you honestly rather a US Government/IRS employee play the part of middleman, which is undeniably engrained in Obamacare, than a trained private sector professional??


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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2012, 12:02:32 PM »
Only rich people...I think there is plenty of cheating occurring under the guise of welfare, medicaid, unemployment, social security, etc.   Just sayin....
Napoleon had the said, "The surest way to remain poor is to be honest."

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2012, 12:03:32 PM »
Napoleon had the said, "The surest way to remain poor is to be honest."

And he died alone in an island.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2012, 12:03:54 PM »
Only a complete dipshit would have needed someone to tell them that bank stocks were "troubled" in Sept of 2008. Look at the fucking price charts. This is just another cheap attempt to distract people from the real issue.  Obama and Biden have been an unmitigated disaster...electing them was a huge mistake...re-electing them would be an inviting an even greater disaster.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2012, 12:04:55 PM »
Paul Ryan has demonstrated that he is on the side of Wall Street and the wealthy.

Who do you support?

President Obama who has endlessly fought for the working class in America, or Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney who have spelled out their plan to make the wealthy even wealthier.



LOL!!  Not even worth a response.

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Re: Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2012, 12:06:48 PM »
Their efficiency must be why they just posted a $5.2 Billion loss...which leads to my next question of would you honestly rather a US Government/IRS employee play the part of middleman, which is undeniably engrained in Obamacare, than a trained private sector professional??


Yep I certainly would rather have a National Health System/Single Payer system set up.  I worked with "trained private sector Professionals" at United Healthcare and it was anything but true.  The computer systems we were using were so outdated-DOS based it was a joke.  Customers were not to be treated as human being, but as metrics and numbers.  You weren`t allowed to care that we weren`t going to pay for your cancer treatments because your coverage stopped at a capped amount.  I am sure I am responsible for people dying due to my work there.  I think about it everyday and it makes me sick.