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Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”

The former director of the Office of Management and Budget for the Reagan administration, David Stockman, blasts Paul Ryan's budget plan in a New York Times op-ed.

Stockman calls the budget an "empty conservative sermon" and "fairy tale" and says it will "do nothing to reverse the nation's economic decline and arrest its fiscal collapse."

Stockman's main complaint about the Ryan budget, which reflects his broader frustration with today's Republican party, is that it preserves massive and, in his view, unnecessary spending on Defense and other programs while screwing people who actually need help by cutting food stamps, Medicaid, and other efforts that lessen the pain of poverty.

Stockman also rails against the new "Wall Street-coddling" bailout Republicans like Ryan, who stand by and let the Federal Reserve fix interest rates, encourage speculators, crush savors, encourage overconsumption, and punish thrift.

Specifically, Stockman observes, Ryan's "phony" budget plan:

   ~ Maintains Defense spending that is nearly twice the $400 billion (adjusted for today's dollars) that General Eisenhower spent in the 1960s

    ~Shreds the safety net provided by $100 billion in food stamps and $300 billion in Medicaid

    ~Does not cut one dime from Medicare or Social Security for another decade

    ~Includes no serious plan to create jobs

    ~Radically cuts taxes on the richest Americans while eliminating tax breaks that mostly help the middle class

    ~Fails to even consider a "value-added sales tax," which is the only way the country can begin to climb out of its budget hole

In short, Stockman says, Ryan's plan is "devoid of credible math or hard policy choices."

Harsh words coming from a fellow Republican. But, then, today's Republican party doesn't look much like it did in Stockman and Reagan's day.
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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 12:13:30 PM »
Reagan`s budget Director. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Thats a good oxymoron if I ever heard one.  Reagan and Budget are two words that do not go together.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 12:17:19 PM »

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 12:39:25 PM »
So Benny...are you saying we need to cut Social Security right now? Would the cuts you and Stockman wnat to mke to Medicare over and above the $700 billion meat ax Obama shoved through via Obamacare? Is that  something you want Obama to campaign on right now?

Have you seen the video from fromer Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles..you know the guy that guy from the Simpson/BOWLES deficet reduction committee?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/erskine-bowles-paul-ryan_n_1775313.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 12:42:53 PM »
It's time for the working class in this country to stand up to those who support the ultra wealthy by giving them huge tax breaks!



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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 12:46:13 PM »
So Benny...are you saying we need to cut Social Security right now? Would the cuts you and Stockman wnat to mke to Medicare over and above the $700 billion meat ax Obama shoved through via Obamacare? Is that  something you want Obama to campaign on right now?

Have you seen the video from fromer Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles..you know the guy that guy from the Simpson/BOWLES deficet reduction committee?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/erskine-bowles-paul-ryan_n_1775313.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Obama oughta campaign on repealing the Healthcare Reform Bill and campaign for a Single Payer system or Public Option, what he promised originally.  Sadly, we ended up with RomneyCare/ObamaCare/Bob Dole`s Health Plan.  Call it whatever you want, its the same steaming pile of shit.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 12:49:15 PM »
So Benny...are you saying we need to cut Social Security right now? Would the cuts you and Stockman wnat to mke to Medicare over and above the $700 billion meat ax Obama shoved through via Obamacare? Is that  something you want Obama to campaign on right now?

Have you seen the video from fromer Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles..you know the guy that guy from the Simpson/BOWLES deficet reduction committee?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/erskine-bowles-paul-ryan_n_1775313.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Give it up RON "flipper", your guy is going to get hammered in November. ;D The Ryan pick was/is a d-i-s-a-s-t-e-r in the making.

Was anger and pounding out your reply on your keyboard the reason for such horrendous spelling in your post? Calm down bro...you've been obese most of your life. You're going to give yourself a heart attack.  :-\
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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 01:02:02 PM »
The Republican presidential bid is just getting worse and worse...

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 01:08:51 PM »
Benny...when confronted with facts...you, like Obama..have no response.  The only hope Obama has of winning is to derail election reform laws that curtail fraud in PA and other states and to lie about Romney.  He sure as fuck can't tell the truth about his record or his "plans".

And who the fuck is Ron?

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 01:16:20 PM »


Clinton did not run a true budget surplus.....this lie has been debunked many times.

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16/

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 01:19:38 PM »
Give it up RON "flipper", your guy is going to get hammered in November. ;D The Ryan pick was/is a d-i-s-a-s-t-e-r in the making.

Was anger and pounding out your reply on your keyboard the reason for such horrendous spelling in your post? Calm down bro...you've been obese most of your life. You're going to give yourself a heart attack.  :-\

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 01:20:13 PM »
Clinton did not run a true budget surplus.....this lie has been debunked many times.

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16/

It's a budget surplus... No one used the surplus to pay down the debt though.

The debt during the 8 years of GWB was the highest percentage of debt raise EVER in the history of the US.

Even Obama's first 4 years have not compared to GWB on any level.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 01:24:01 PM »
It's a budget surplus... No one used the surplus to pay down the debt though.

The debt during the 8 years of GWB was the highest percentage of debt raise EVER in the history of the US.

Even Obama's first 4 years have not compared to GWB on any level.

Bush - 4 Trillion over 8 years.

Obama 6 Trillion over 3.5 

Remember this guy? 


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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2012, 01:27:12 PM »
Bush - 4 Trillion over 8 years.

Obama 6 Trillion over 3.5 

Remember this guy? 



2008 was Bush's budget.. Remember?

Everyone skips that part.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2012, 01:27:26 PM »
It's a budget surplus... No one used the surplus to pay down the debt though.
The debt during the 8 years of GWB was the highest percentage of debt raise EVER in the history of the US.
Even Obama's first 4 years have not compared to GWB on any level.



Bullshit......The Community Organizer has increased the budget deficit at a record pace, never before seen by ANY previous administration. Clinton tricked the system and the CBO was in lock-step.


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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2012, 01:29:07 PM »
2008 was Bush's budget.. Remember?

Everyone skips that part.

And the demos crontrolled both houses the last two years remember? 

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2012, 01:38:14 PM »
And the demos crontrolled both houses the last two years remember? 

When Bush kept spending money... Yes... The Dems went right along with it.

The point is that ALL of them are to blame, but no one is holding ALL of them responsible.

You're picking and choosing who you choose to blame... I blame them all.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2012, 01:43:23 PM »
Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”

The former director of the Office of Management and Budget for the Reagan administration, David Stockman, blasts Paul Ryan's budget plan in a New York Times op-ed.

May 17, 2012:

President's Obama's budget went down in flames in the Senate 99-0, after failing in the House in March, 414-0.


Hahahahahahahahahaha.... ....I organized a community once.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2012, 01:46:00 PM »
Obama's 2012 budget would have added another $6 trillion in debt. "Congress needs to do that and not start, you know, talking about -- you know, playing political gamesmanship again," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

Still, no Democrat in the House or Senate voted for the President budget at all.

- CBS News

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2012, 01:49:50 PM »
Obama's 2012 budget would have added another $6 trillion in debt. "Congress needs to do that and not start, you know, talking about -- you know, playing political gamesmanship again," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

Still, no Democrat in the House or Senate voted for the President budget at all.

- CBS News

This actually hurts your argument of Obama being responsible for a bad budget.  Clearly the budgets passed are not Obama`s budgets since nobody votes for them.  This effectively takes the blame off of Obama.  You might want to use a different argument as a result.

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2012, 01:57:24 PM »
This actually hurts your argument of Obama being responsible for a bad budget.  Clearly the budgets passed are not Obama`s budgets since nobody votes for them.  This effectively takes the blame off of Obama.  You might want to use a different argument as a result.

 ::)   

The problem is Harry Reid more than anything since he wont allow a budget to be voted on. 

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2012, 01:59:03 PM »
::)  

The problem is Harry Reid more than anything since he wont allow a budget to be voted on.  
Seriously though, how can we hold Obama responsible if nobody voted on his budget, hence it never seeing the light of day?  If they are bad budgets, they aren`t Obama`s correct?

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Re: Reagan Budget Director: Paul Ryan’s Plan Is A “Fairy Tale”
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 02:03:28 PM »
President Obama believes in a balanced budget that cuts government spending and helps keep jobs in America.

Mitt Romney believes in cutting taxes for the wealthy and promoting an environment where working class Americans can't move forward.


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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 02:06:28 PM »
Seriously though, how can we hold Obama responsible if nobody voted on his budget, hence it never seeing the light of day?  If they are bad budgets, they aren`t Obama`s correct?

Its obamas fault since he never proposed a responsible budget in the first place. 

Even Erskine Bowles admitted obama's admn is run based on pure politics not fiscal reality. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 02:07:08 PM »
President Obama believes in a balanced budget that cuts government spending and helps keep jobs in America.

Mitt Romney believes in cutting taxes for the wealthy and promoting an environment where working class Americans can't move forward.


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His own Debt Panel Commissioner said he plan is a laughable joke.