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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13333450-no-papers-no-fear-undocumented-immigrants-declare-themselves-on-bus-tour?lite

So, why are they not being deported, I guess this is why:
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ICE is focused on smart, effective immigration enforcement that prioritizes the removal of criminal aliens, recent border crossers and egregious immigration law violators, such as those who have been previously removed from the United States.”

So, if you break the law by coming here, you are not a "criminal alien"

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Last year President Obama deported more illegal aliens than any president in history by a large margin.

Then once it was time to harvest the crops, farmers were left with no workers to harvest.

No one other than illegals were willing to work hard labor under those conditions for those wages.

So The Obama Administration eased their deportation policy to target criminals.  Problems is that the deported illegals aren't returning to America because of the weak economy.



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Last year President Obama deported more illegal aliens than any president in history by a large margin.

Then once it was time to harvest the crops, farmers were left with no workers to harvest.

No one other than illegals were willing to work hard labor under those conditions for those wages.

So The Obama Administration eased their deportation policy to target criminals.  Problems is that the deported illegals aren't returning to America because of the weak economy.




Pure bullshit.

The Obama Administration has had an open border policy with Mexico to win favor with Latino voters. Your post is nothing more than the untrue Washington talking points. Janet Napolitano has done sweet fuck all to stop the illegals, or prosecute the 30 million of them that are here. No fucking lettuce picking jobs went undone - that is weak Obama justification.

Fuck you're a stupid kunt!

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Pure bullshit.

The Obama Administration has had an open border policy with Mexico to win favor with Latino voters. Your post is nothing more than the untrue Washington talking points. Janet Napolitano has done sweet fuck all to stop the illegals, or prosecute the 30 million of them that are here. No fucking lettuce picking jobs went undone - that is weak Obama justification.

Fuck you're a stupid kunt!
Or just now maybe it's not an issue with america's economy in the shitter?

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Funny that the US isn't the only country with border problems. Id say most western countries have immigration issues and most for purely economic reasons.  :-\

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So, if you break the law by coming here, you are not a "criminal alien"

Yes and No.

If you are an adult and decide to come here without the proper form of entry and remain in this country, then yes, you are an alien that has committed a crime.

But...

If you are the child of one of these adults (say 2-10 years of age for argument sake) and you get dragged over here with them and consequently integrate into the American system (education/social), why would they consider that person a criminal if they come of age are then undocumented adults, yet are also hardworking members of society?

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Yes and No.

If you are an adult and decide to come here without the proper form of entry and remain in this country, then yes, you are an alien that has committed a crime.

But...

If you are the child of one of these adults (say 2-10 years of age for argument sake) and you get dragged over here with them and consequently integrate into the American system (education/social), why would they consider that person a criminal if they come of age are then undocumented adults, yet are also hardworking members of society?

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Who reimburses the taxpayers for the education and free health care this illegalimmigrant stole?

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Funny that the US isn't the only country with border problems. Id say most western countries have immigration issues and most for purely economic reasons.  :-\
We've been having an immigration issue, it's that each administration plays "hands off" and then "hands it off" to the next administration to "deal with it" (aka make promises).
Basically, now you have people who have been here for yrs, and flaunt it.

What is also happening, is that businesses use the guise of "helping people": everything is optioned for Spanish language, and they even write signs or paperwork in Spanish, and they say "Yes we speak Spanish", but all they want is their money, they could care in helping them. And the end result is that you have people who now think they are entitled to be catered to, while many are not legal. And then you have enclaves of people who have segregated themselves from "The Americans", they only deal with us when they need to or want to.

Sadly, big business and the politicians have created a Monster that they begrudgingly have to feed or deal with. And the fact is, it's not just Latinos, but Africans, Euros, Asians, Middle Easterners, are collectively doing the same thing.

When you get hit by a drunken driver, and then it's found out that the person does not have a license, but is illegal, and has been doing this for awhile. It hurts doubly. Because who is going to pay for the accident, the insurance, and sometimes the perp doesn't even do jail time---he/she flees.
You can't stop a person from "owning" a car. And that is something that I have seen almost all illegal immigrants do, regardless of nationality.

It only needs somebody from the top to either get hurt or a family member to get hurt for things to happen. And I'm waiting for it---America is a very "reactive" country, it has a history of waitig things to go very bad, instead of preventing it, before doing somethig about it.

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Who reimburses the taxpayers for the education and free health care this illegalimmigrant stole?

That's the million dollar question.

Some of us have found ways to earn our money back.  Illegal immigrants provide for extremely cheap labor.  If you ever need repair work around the house, look around and you might find a very good deal.

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That's the million dollar question.

Some of us have found ways to earn our money back.  Illegal immigrants provide for extremely cheap labor.  If you ever need repair work around the house, look around and you might find a very good deal.

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And if you look around, you might also find some stuff stolen, too.

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Yes and No.

If you are an adult and decide to come here without the proper form of entry and remain in this country, then yes, you are an alien that has committed a crime.

But...

If you are the child of one of these adults (say 2-10 years of age for argument sake) and you get dragged over here with them and consequently integrate into the American system (education/social), why would they consider that person a criminal if they come of age are then undocumented adults, yet are also hardworking members of society?














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Who reimburses the taxpayers for the education and free health care this illegalimmigrant stole?

Well I have no kids and pay school district taxes on my property... Who is gonna reimburse me for that?

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And if you look around, you might also find some stuff stolen, too.

Actually it's well documented that the crime rate with illegal aliens is very low.... I live in el paso where there are a ton of illegals... Live right across the border from deadliest city in north America (Juarez) yet el paso ranked safest city in america

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Actually it's well documented that the crime rate with illegal aliens is very low.... I live in el paso where there are a ton of illegals... Live right across the border from deadliest city in north America (Juarez) yet el paso ranked safest city in america
Yes and No.

If you are an adult and decide to come here without the proper form of entry and remain in this country, then yes, you are an alien that has committed a crime.

But...

If you are the child of one of these adults (say 2-10 years of age for argument sake) and you get dragged over here with them and consequently integrate into the American system (education/social), why would they consider that person a criminal if they come of age are then undocumented adults, yet are also hardworking members of society?




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Well, for one you are making an assumption that they eventually become hardworking adults...if one intergrates into today's society, a society that values image---one gives the image that they are "model citizens". Hell, just look at the Vic Martinez situation. He was here for years and claimed the Dominican Repub, but sounded
like a New Yorker, and he never got his citizenship changed, even did time (yep, productive member of society) and then gets hemmed up by Immigration for allowing that 10 yr visa to expire.
If anything, I think either the parent and the kids need to go, regardless if the kid is used to being here. Or put them in ophanages.
People knowingly take the chance and there are always consequences for ones actions.
 

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Actually it's well documented that the crime rate with illegal aliens is very low.... I live in el paso where there are a ton of illegals... Live right across the border from deadliest city in north America (Juarez) yet el paso ranked safest city in america
It depends on what they keep track of...suspended licenses, DUIs, Domestic Violence, etc.
You can't really keep stats on illegal alien crime, because some don't want to report it because they are illegal. Kinda like how in Asian communities the crime rate is low, but when you look into it, it is not reported---the thefts, burglaries, domestic violence.

Also, one cannot assume that one country of origin and same ethnicity ( Latino) is the same. In the DC area, it's El Salvadoran, and they have a problem with MS-13, and also issues with Africans.
Also in certain counties, they may stop people for driving w/o a license or suspended, but they (authorities) could care less, especially when  they have high crime rates.
So, what happens is that certain populations start to exist where the authorities are more lax. And people even tell the people where to go live.

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Hell, just look at the Vic Martinez situation. He was here for years and claimed the Dominican Repub, but sounded
like a New Yorker, and he never got his citizenship changed, even did time (yep, productive member of society) and then gets hemmed up by Immigration for allowing that 10 yr visa to expire.

Vic did not have a 10 yr Visa that expired.

Vic was a permanent resident alien that had the right to live and work here for the rest of his life if so desired AND so as long as he didn't commit a heinous crime.

The problem was that upon breaking the law in the manner which he did (Drug Felony), he essentially placed himself in a predicament that allowed for the US government to deport him if they felt the need.

He made a few deals, got over the original drug charge and was allowed to stay in LARGE part because of his present kid(s), whom he supports (an argument made in court that some would call an anchor baby defense).

His last stint involved him traveling with a permanent resident card that was expired (i.e. the card itself expired not his status as a PERMANENT RESIDENT).  For most residents that travel with an expired card, a few verification procedures and possibly a fine and or short detainment would due, but since Victor had a past record, they took a closer look.

Park park, where did you get this nonsense about a 10 yr visa?
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^thank you for clearing that up. I was going off of memory of him supposedly letting that visa "expire", I thought it was kinda fishy myself.

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^thank you for clearing that up. I was going off of memory of him supposedly letting that visa "expire", I thought it was kinda fishy myself.

What I haven't found out was whether his most recent issues in court involving the arrest by ICE led to some form of revocation of his permanent residency.

That I have to find out next time I see him, although the guy, for obvious reasons, hates talking about that shit.

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P.S. Problem with Vic now is that even if he keeps the permanent residency, he will never be able to apply for Citizenship with his past record.  So now he has to keep a very clean record as to not wake sleeping government dogs.

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What I haven't found out was whether his most recent issues in court involving the arrest by ICE led to some form of revocation of his permanent residency.

That I have to find out next time I see him, although the guy, for obvious reasons, hates talking about that shit.

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P.S. Problem with Vic now is that even if he keeps the permanent residency, he will never be able to apply for Citizenship with his past record.  So now he has to keep a very clean record as to not wake sleeping government dogs.
ok, but why didn't he just apply for citizenship right after he turned 18 or around that? See, that's what gets me. Get you ish in order, because somewhere down the line it will come back on you.

Also, I believe that they need to close these loopholes, because it gets too convoluted, and creates problems for say a person in college whose residency has expired.

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ok, but why didn't he just apply for citizenship right after he turned 18 or around that? See, that's what gets me. Get you ish in order, because somewhere down the line it will come back on you.

Probably because he figured that as a permanent resident he could reside and work here for the rest of his life with all of the benefits that come with it and didn't feel the need to apply for citizenship.  For him, getting citizenship would have allowed him to do a few more things than what he could do now, mainly work a federal job, vote and participate in jury duty.  I don't think he cares about any of those three extra perks.

Ultimately and sadly, his mistake was ever getting involved with professional bodybuilding especially while living in the USA.  This "sport" requires you to purchase/use hormones that are considered illegal unless prescribed by a Doctor (with good justifying reasons or else the DEA will tax that MD's ass with fines, banning of license and possible incarceration).  Just by getting involved with bodybuilding he opened himself up to the potential of an arrest by way of purchasing these substances.

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Actually it's well documented that the crime rate with illegal aliens is very low.... I live in el paso where there are a ton of illegals... Live right across the border from deadliest city in north America (Juarez) yet el paso ranked safest city in america

 If an undocumented commits a crime they are turned over to ICE or BP. This is true for El Paso police or El Paso Country Sheriff's Dept. The Department of Homeland Security does not count those criminal activities in their statistics but they are not counted in the El Paso PD or Sheriff's counts. It is "cooking the books" when reporting crime statistics, especially when you consider that the crimes committed by undocumented aliens in the area are not a trivial number.

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Well I have no kids and pay school district taxes on my property... Who is gonna reimburse me for that?

You either have kids and enjoy the benefit or bend over ;D. On a serious note if there's a good school district in your property zone,your house value will be higher than other zones

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Well I have no kids and pay school district taxes on my property... Who is gonna reimburse me for that?

I don't have kids either - and still pay.

Since you're a big time Getbigger just stop paying taxes, or call that Congressman you have on speed dial.  ;D

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That's the million dollar question.

Some of us have found ways to earn our money back.  Illegal immigrants provide for extremely cheap labor.  If you ever need repair work around the house, look around and you might find a very good deal.

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I would rather die of exhaustion with a shovel in my hand than have some sawed off, stinky little taco bender working around my house.

I may have told this story before but.....a buddy of mine ran of some border jumper one day that was j walking, f'ed him up good, legs the wrong way, shoes across the street, splatter marks, pretty gnarly. The little jalepeno dick had the nerve to sue and won..... ::)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!