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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2012, 12:13:02 PM »
No way, not with 87mph fastball

An MLB pitcher can get away with 87 if their command is perfect, and they have a good offspeed pitch.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
Who is Roger Clemens? How did he qualify for an IFBB pro card ?



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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2012, 12:21:03 PM »
Looks like Roger may be smarter then I thought. He's looking to get signed in the Major's so he can set the clock back 5 years until he's eligible for the Hall of Fame. Right now he is eligible next year and he for sure won't get in because of all the steroid BS. But in 5 years, the steroid era talk will loosen up and the Hall of Fame most likely will be more acceptable in bringing these types of players in. Pretty fucking smart imop. All he has to do is get signed and then fake an injury and retire.

Bingo. (About pushing back his hall of fame eligibility.  Clemens wants to be a first ballot hall of famer and it probably ain't gonna happen if his name's on the ballot next year.)

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2012, 12:21:40 PM »
Some are saying that Roger is so self absorbed that he's basically become delusional. Beating the feds must have brought he ego into the stratosphere.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2012, 12:27:25 PM »
once they let Berry Bonds In the Hall of fame and Ivan Rodriguez, they will have to let the rest of the steroid freaks in , mark mcgwire, jose cansceco , David Ortiz, manny ramierez , Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez, and so on ...

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2012, 12:32:24 PM »
once they let Berry Bonds In the Hall of fame and Ivan Rodriguez, they will have to let the rest of the steroid freaks in , mark mcgwire, jose cansceco , David Ortiz, manny ramierez , Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez, and so on ...

I doubt that Jose Canseco will be inducted in the Hall of Fame . . . ever.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2012, 12:36:15 PM »
once they let Berry Bonds In the Hall of fame and Ivan Rodriguez, they will have to let the rest of the steroid freaks in , mark mcgwire, jose cansceco , David Ortiz, manny ramierez , Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez, and so on ...

Oritz and Canseco won't make it.

But the other guys should.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2012, 12:37:08 PM »
once they let Berry Bonds In the Hall of fame and Ivan Rodriguez, they will have to let the rest of the steroid freaks in , mark mcgwire, jose cansceco , David Ortiz, manny ramierez , Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez, and so on ...

yup, and it looks like Clemens is buying himself more time by trying to prolong his eligibility.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2012, 12:39:10 PM »
Oritz and Canseco won't make it.

But the other guys should.

If Oritz hits 30 to 40 HR's over the next few years, he will have a really good chance as going in as a DH. He's at 401 right now. 500 HR's will look pretty damn good. He also will have lifetime 525 slugging and over .900 OPS with a 375 OBP. Those are crazy lifetime numbers.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2012, 12:41:03 PM »
If Oritz hits 30 to 40 HR's over the next few years, he will have a really good chance as going in as a DH. He's at 401 right now. 500 HR's will look pretty damn good.

500 Hrs is not a lock, specifically because of guys like Ortiz.  DH will not help him either.  But, the Boston media machine was capable of diluting the Hall by forcing in Rice, so anything can happen.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 12:44:35 PM »
500 Hrs is not a lock, specifically because of guys like Ortiz.  DH will not help him either.  But, the Boston media machine was capable of diluting the Hall by forcing in Rice, so anything can happen.

The baseball IQ overall has become higher so other numbers will start to leak in when looking at the HOF.

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2012, 12:50:23 PM »
The baseball IQ overall has become higher so other numbers will start to leak in when looking at the HOF.

I agree.   But 6 or 7 elite batting years out of say, 14 isn't HoF to me.

His HoF prediction stats agree.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2012, 12:50:29 PM »
500 Hrs is not a lock, specifically because of guys like Ortiz.  DH will not help him either.  But, the Boston media machine was capable of diluting the Hall by forcing in Rice, so anything can happen.

For over 10 years 75-86, Rice was one of the most feared hitters in the league. Numbers don't always tell the story of what was really going on at the time.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2012, 12:51:04 PM »
An MLB pitcher can get away with 87 if their command is perfect, and they have a good offspeed pitch.

I agree,Clemens was a power pitcher though.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2012, 12:54:54 PM »
For over 10 years 75-86, Rice was one of the most feared hitters in the league. Numbers don't always tell the story of what was really going on at the time.

Why didn't he lead the league in intentional walks during that period?   How much poopl had to be cleaned off the mound when pitchers shit themselves in anticiaption of pitching to him?

Most feared was the meme they had to create since the numbers didn't back it up.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2012, 05:19:25 PM »
Because he'll never play in the big league again so why take the attention away from the guys who are trying to make it to the show? Clemens is a sociopath who needs attention. The guy should just join a softball league and call it a day.

The Atlantic League isn't an official minor league (see their "about" section on their website).  For the most part, the league is full of has-beens and never-was's.  It's essentially an idependent league like the Northern League.  Therefore Clemens' presence won't "compromise" any official MLB records.
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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2012, 09:09:29 PM »
Why didn't he lead the league in intentional walks during that period?   How much poopl had to be cleaned off the mound when pitchers shit themselves in anticiaption of pitching to him?

Most feared was the meme they had to create since the numbers didn't back it up.
Agreed. Rice belongs in the Hall of Very Good.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2012, 08:42:02 AM »
fwiw to the baseball nerds, Bill James wrote in his Historical Baseball Abstract that Jim Rice was "probably the most overrated player in the last 30 years."

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2012, 09:03:40 AM »
fwiw to the baseball nerds, Bill James wrote in his Historical Baseball Abstract that Jim Rice was "probably the most overrated player in the last 30 years."

What's crazy to me is how Ozzie Smith is a hands-down first ballot HOF'er, yet Bill Dahlen can't get in posthumously. He was a better shortstop, at least when you normalize his statistical performance.

Not to take anything away from Smith. He was great.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2012, 09:12:46 AM »
He would need to get trained by a world class trainer like "The Coach" in his garage...

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2012, 12:11:46 PM »
Why didn't he lead the league in intentional walks during that period?   How much poopl had to be cleaned off the mound when pitchers shit themselves in anticiaption of pitching to him?

Most feared was the meme they had to create since the numbers didn't back it up.

Pitchers knew he was a free swinger. I think he only walked 60+ times once in a season.

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2012, 12:19:18 PM »
Pitchers knew he was a free swinger. I think he only walked 60+ times once in a season.

Free swinging cost his team more runs and wins than if he's learned some plate control.

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2012, 12:22:54 PM »
Free swinging cost his team more runs and wins than if he's learned some plate control.

dude made enough contact to hit into a record number of double plays.

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Re: roger clemens making comeback
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2012, 12:38:08 PM »
dude made enough contact to hit into a record number of double plays.

LOL! So true. Everyone forgets that key stat touting Rice as a HOF'er.

He had a couple of devastatingly good seasons. That's not HOF'er. You might as well vote in Albert Belle too.