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The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« on: August 23, 2012, 11:30:24 AM »
Do we really need an expansive welfare state?

"These types of organizations originally opposed a government-run, government-funded welfare state because they viewed mutual aid as an expression of independence and personal responsibility. With dues from members, they provided services such as unemployment insurance, workers compensation, health insurance, life insurance, and sick pay. In many cases, a fraternal society would hire a doctor to care for the members' families giving them access to reliable, inexpensive healthcare. Additionally, these organizations established a privatized safety net through orphanages, hospitals, and homes for the elderly."

Read more: http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/american-history/poor-america-welfare-state

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 08:54:52 AM »
Mutual aid was one of the cornerstones of social welfare in the United States until the early 20th century. The fraternal society was a leading example. The statistical record of fraternalism was impressive. A conservative estimate is that one-third of adult American males belonged to lodges in 1910. A fraternal analogue existed for virtually every major service of the modern welfare state including orphanages, hospitals, job exchanges, homes for the elderly, and scholarship programs.

But societies also gave benefits that were much less quantifiable. By joining a lodge, an initiate adopted, at least implicitly, a set of survival values.

Societies dedicated themselves to the advancement of mutualism, self-reliance, business training, thrift, leadership skills, self-government, self-control, and good moral character. These values, which can fit under the rubric of social capital, reflected a kind of fraternal consensus that cut across such seemingly intractable divisions as race, sex, and income.

Read more: http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/from-mutual-aid-to-welfare-state

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 09:13:04 AM »
Being on welfare used to be frowned upon in this country, now its the norm
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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 09:26:45 AM »
Being on welfare used to be frowned upon in this country, now its the norm

I would say that the culture of the country certainly has changed...everyone wants a handout and everyone expects the gov't to take care of them in some way, shape, or form....from the poor to the very rich

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 09:27:28 AM »
I would say that the culture of the country certainly has changed...everyone wants a handout and everyone expects the gov't to take care of them in some way, shape, or form....from the poor to the very rich

Nice to finally see you come around to free markets and limited government.

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 09:29:28 AM »
Was there ever a decade in United States history where more damage was done to the fabric of America by liberal policies than the 1960s?

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2012, 10:00:29 PM »
I would say that the culture of the country certainly has changed...everyone wants a handout and everyone expects the gov't to take care of them in some way, shape, or form....from the poor to the very rich

Yourself included.

Andre= Spends most weekday mornings in front of the local 711 with fake dredlocks, ripped clothing and filthy white sneakers with the tounges sticking out+ begging for change and harassing each passing car and pedestrian that he encounters. Between 1 and 2pm (unless its raining, then Andre takes the day off completely) when most working people are indoors, Andre ditches his costume, deposits the daily change intake from his empty coffee cup into his piggy bank and puts on his freshly ironed Arby's uniform to begin his shift.

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2012, 10:36:23 PM »
Yourself included.

Andre= Spends most weekday mornings in front of the local 711 with fake dredlocks, ripped clothing and filthy white sneakers with the tounges sticking each morning begging for change and harassing passing car and pedestrian that he encounters. Between 1 and 2pm (unless its raining, then Andre takes the day off completely) when most working people are indoors, Andre ditches his costume, deposits the daily change intake from his empty coffee cup into his piggy bank and puts on his freshly ironed Arby's uniform to begin his shift.

really funny..... :D

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2012, 05:08:39 AM »
Was there ever a decade in United States history where more damage was done to the fabric of America by liberal policies than the 1960s?

No.

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 09:17:27 AM »
No.

wrong....those who pine for the old days in terms of the poor often forget just how desperate the poor were in those days....Lyndon Johnson did a wonderful thing when he pushed through Medicaid and welfare.......it lifted so many people out of the desperate poverty they were living in...especially in the south....the problem is that these programs were not controlled.

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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2012, 02:21:02 PM »
wrong....those who pine for the old days in terms of the poor often forget just how desperate the poor were in those days....Lyndon Johnson did a wonderful thing when he pushed through Medicaid and welfare.......it lifted so many people out of the desperate poverty they were living in...especially in the south....the problem is that these programs were not controlled.

Funny that you think this. The poverty rate stopped falling after the introduction of LBJ's "Great Society" programs.


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Re: The Poor in America before the Welfare State
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 09:50:19 AM »
Funny that you think this. The poverty rate stopped falling after the introduction of LBJ's "Great Society" programs.


HAHAHAHAAH

Awesome.

There is a big difference between lifting people out of poverty (which a government cannot do) and simply getting entire generations of certain populations hooked on government handouts.