Phil Heath Exclusive Interview with VNM-TV: Coleman or Yates? GH15??

[mesmorph78]

The truth is this debate will go on for ions.

But consider this, the whole bodybuilding community, and I mean everyone is always talking about how LEGENDARY the 90`s bodybuilding is and how shitty the 2000`s era is and was. Ronnie struggled against a shitty era and Dorian dominated and slaughtered a legendary era. And if you say `Well Coleman won in the 90`s as well, fine but struggled and barely won.

he won in 98 and 99 how was that a struggle his wins in the 90's were unquestioned unlike dorians.... he should have never won with torn bis and tris.... and nasser beat him IMO in 97...
you like dorian cool but dont make it twist your grasp on reality.. Ill be the irst to say soleman got too big and wait got out o control...
dorian did not dominate he was given gifts... i remember reading a old magazine the comentary on 07 mr o nd the writer even statid naser won.. flex muscle mag stated nasser won and was robbed how do you have it down dorian slaughtered...
man please...
..dorian 92 93.....
ronnie dominated in 98 99 00 03 04 05
IMO

[mesmorph78]

yes dorian completely dominated..... nd dominated
the 90's

[OTHstrong]

he won in 98 and 99 how was that a struggle his wins in the 90's were unquestioned unlike dorians.... he should have never won with torn bis and tris.... and nasser beat him IMO in 97...
you like dorian cool but dont make it twist your grasp on reality.. Ill be the irst to say soleman got too big and wait got out o control...
dorian did not dominate he was given gifts... i remember reading a old magazine the comentary on 07 mr o nd the writer even statid naser won.. flex muscle mag stated nasser won and was robbed how do you have it down dorian slaughtered...
man please...
..dorian 92 93.....
ronnie dominated in 98 99 00 03 04 05
IMO

I am not you are, I am speaking of FACTS, you are speaking of opinions, I don`t speak of opinion like you cause that could mean anything. I am speaking of documented facts by IFBB official judges, regardless what you think of the judges they are the standard measurment and we must accept it how it is not how you would have liked it to be based on your opinion

So again these are the FACTS, YES FACTS, Dorian slaughtered the field with perfect score across the board while Ronnie Struggled and lost rounds, fact my friend, this is the true reality, yours is opinion and make belief not reality

[Parker]

The truth is this debate will go on for ions.

But consider this, the whole bodybuilding community, and I mean everyone is always talking about how LEGENDARY the 90`s bodybuilding is and how shitty the 2000`s era is and was. Ronnie struggled against a shitty era and Dorian dominated and slaughtered a legendary era. And if you say `Well Coleman won in the 90`s as well, fine but struggled and barely won.

I was going to say that Ronnie's competition was either left over from the 90s or just got their Pro cards in the 90s (Culter, Dex, DJ, Anthony)
and it could be argued that Levrone and Cormier looked their best competing against Ronnie.
Flex was a tossup.

[OTHstrong]

I was going to say that Ronnie's competition was either left over from the 90s or just got their Pro cards in the 90s (Culter, Dex, DJ, Anthony)
and it could be argued that Levrone and Cormier looked their best competing against Ronnie.
Flex was a tossup.

Cormier yes, Flex and Kevin NO

[Parker]

Cormier yes, Flex and Kevin NO

Kev's legs were down, but he had better-thicker back detail when he competed against Ronnie. Also seemed to come in drier. Of course it was Lil Kev vs Big Kev thing with him.
Flex looked good in 98 and 99 (but 99 he was "Syned" up), and then he fell apart, yet still won the 2000 Arnold.

[Wiggs]

Hey fellas

Haney- 8 Mr. Os
Ronnie- 8 Mr.Os
Dorian-6 Mr.Os

So justify it anyway you want to help you sleep at night, but in the end, people lie but numbers dont even in this glorified beauty contest.

Notice how Dorians whole arguement is sizgraininess and calves, outside of that,

[mesmorph78]

I am not you are, I am speaking of FACTS, you are speaking of opinions, I don`t speak of opinion like you cause that could mean anything. I am speaking of documented facts by IFBB official judges, regardless what you think of the judges they are the standard measurment and we must accept it how it is not how you would have liked it to be based on your opinion

So again these are the FACTS, YES FACTS, Dorian slaughtered the field with perfect score across the board while Ronnie Struggled and lost rounds, fact my friend, this is the true reality, yours is opinion and make belief not reality

so those pics i just posted are you saying dorin dominated in those.....
pure fan boyism

[G_Thang]

Hey fellas

Haney- 8 Mr. Os
Ronnie- 8 9 Mr.Os
Dorian-6 Mr.Os

So justify it anyway you want to help you sleep at night, but in the end, people lie but numbers dont even in this glorified beauty contest.

Notice how Dorians whole arguement is sizgraininess and calves, outside of that,

Even with the injuries, he beat Cutlet in 2006, and turned around and pulverized him at the Gran Prix. 

[OTHstrong]

so those pics i just posted are you saying dorin dominated in those.....
pure fan boyism

No, I am simply stating that the judging panel will give the 93 O version of Dorian a nod over the 98 version of Ronnie which most agree was Ronnie`s best.

Bro I am not a fan of Yates or Coleman, my favorite physique of all time is Shawn Ray, but I am a bodybuilder and I know what judges are after and how they score bodybuilding and that is what I base things on and judges thought Yates was dominant, a head above the rest, that is why they gave him perfect scores.

[mesmorph78]

No, I am simply stating that the judging panel will give the 93 O version of Dorian a nod over the 98 version of Ronnie which most agree was Ronnie`s best.

Bro I am not a fan of Yates or Coleman, my favorite physique of all time is Shawn Ray, but I am a bodybuilder and I know what judges are after and how they score bodybuilding and that is what I base things on and judges thought Yates was dominant, a head above the rest, that is why they gave him perfect scores.

you clearly agree with the judges.....
im asking you straight man to man... in those pics
is dorian dominating?
yes or no....
one word answer

[OTHstrong]

you clearly agree with the judges.....
im asking you straight man to man... in those pics
is dorian dominating?
yes or no....
one word answer

NO

[mesmorph78]

NO

respect..

[tinymarvin]

Phil Heath Exclusive Interview Part 2 of 2
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[mesmorph78]

Phil heath
"when we're talking about ronne and dorian.. I say Ronnie all day..
ronnie .. if they competed against each other at their prime aww it would be OVER it would be done!"

[nicorulez]

ND....you are wrong again. Dorian lost the 1991 Mr. O to Haney. Doria was great, but i 1994, 1996, and 1997 he definitely did not dominate the Mr. Olympia. Nasser was better from the front. Fortunately, Nasser never learned to turn aroud and train his back. Dorian also lost to MOMO at the NOC. Phil only says at their best Ronnie would win. I don't even think Dorian has debated this point. However, for conditioning and graininess Dorian is the best of all time.  By 2006 and 2007 Ronnie was over forty and injured. Dorian would have gotten smoked in his later years but walked away on top. For that, I respect the man. Same with Haney. Tough to leave when you are the best.

[PJim]

Phil heath
"when we're talking about ronne and dorian.. I say Ronnie all day..
ronnie .. if they competed against each other at their prime aww it would be OVER it would be done!"

I wouldn't really say there is too much gravitas in Phil Heath's opinion. Anybody who is willing to thank "God" first of all (at all is a bad sign)for winning a competition over his or her Wife/Husband/Family/Friends is clearly deranged in the head.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I wouldn't really say there is too much gravitas in Phil Heath's opinion. Anybody who is willing to thank "God" first of all (at all is a bad sign)for winning a competition over his or her Wife/Husband/Family/Friends is clearly deranged in the head.

Phil made a great point , Ronnie is his hero and a hero to a lot of younger guys who grew up with Ronnie as the Olympia winner and bought all his videos. Dorian was pre-internet from the early 90s there weren't a lot of high quality pics of him or video it's a generational thing

Dorian said of Ronnie and it makes sense , his physique made him a great champion but his videos made him a legend

[Jaime]

ND....you are wrong again. Dorian lost the 1991 Mr. O to Haney. Doria was great, but i 1994, 1996, and 1997 he definitely did not dominate the Mr. Olympia. Nasser was better from the front. Fortunately, Nasser never learned to turn aroud and train his back. Dorian also lost to MOMO at the NOC. Phil only says at their best Ronnie would win. I don't even think Dorian has debated this point. However, for conditioning and graininess Dorian is the best of all time.  By 2006 and 2007 Ronnie was over forty and injured. Dorian would have gotten smoked in his later years but walked away on top. For that, I respect the man. Same with Haney. Tough to leave when you are the best.

Judging is laughable.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Judging is laughable.

Are you seriously claiming he should have lost in 1993?

[Jaime]

Are you seriously claiming he should have lost in 1993?

Yes. But i don't want to get in to a debate about this ND. Oh and on the same website i stumbled upon i found some early pictures of Branch where he looks aesthetic, as you can imagine i was more than a little bit surprised.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes. But i don't want to get in to a debate about this ND. Oh and on the same website i stumbled upon i found some early pictures of Branch where he looks aesthetic, as you can imagine i was more than a little bit surprised.

Well there is no debate you're just bat-shit crazy.  not even Shawn Ray would say he deserved to lose in 1993 , you can argue about 94/97 but 93? seriously 

[PJim]

Yes. But i don't want to get in to a debate about this ND. Oh and on the same website i stumbled upon i found some early pictures of Branch where he looks aesthetic, as you can imagine i was more than a little bit surprised.

 

[Jaime]

Well there is no debate you're just bat-shit crazy.  not even Shawn Ray would say he deserved to lose in 1993 , you can argue about 94/97 but 93? seriously 

The picture quality is shit so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. That's one shame about the older contests, you don't get all the high def pictures.

[Iceman1981]

Phil made a great point , Ronnie is his hero and a hero to a lot of younger guys who grew up with Ronnie as the Olympia winner and bought all his videos. Dorian was pre-internet from the early 90s there weren't a lot of high quality pics of him or video it's a generational thing

Dorian said of Ronnie and it makes sense , his physique made him a great champion but his videos made him a legend

Dorian said this?