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« Reply #100 on: August 31, 2012, 12:52:23 PM »

Thats a hell of a lineup!!!!  All of them had crazy shape

Best Arnold Classic line-up of all time was 1996. It was like an Olympia! And a very controversial win for Kevin (he should have lost that one).

1   Kevin Levrone   USA   $100,000
2   Flex Wheeler   USA   $45,000
3   Paul Dillett   Canada   $25,000
4   Vince Taylor   USA   $15,000
5   Shawn Ray   USA   $10,000
6   Andreas Munzer   Austria   $5,000
7   Roland Cziurlok   Germany   $1,000
8   Porter Cottrell   USA   $1,000
9   Jean Pierre Fux   Switzerland   $1,000
10   Darrem Charles   Trinidad   $1,000
11   Gunter Schlierkamp   Germany   $1,000
12   Roland Kickinger   Austria   $1,000
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« Reply #101 on: August 31, 2012, 01:03:16 PM »

They both do not look strong, therefore they should not be mr O....

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5th-7th place?
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« Reply #102 on: August 31, 2012, 01:16:46 PM »

5th-7th place?

I asked Shawn about this on MD. He said he didnt decide to do the show until 10 weeks out. He bounced back at the O that year
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« Reply #103 on: August 31, 2012, 01:27:19 PM »

Best Arnold Classic line-up of all time was 1996. It was like an Olympia! And a very controversial win for Kevin (he should have lost that one).

1   Kevin Levrone   USA   $100,000
2   Flex Wheeler   USA   $45,000
3   Paul Dillett   Canada   $25,000
4   Vince Taylor   USA   $15,000
5   Shawn Ray   USA   $10,000
6   Andreas Munzer   Austria   $5,000
7   Roland Cziurlok   Germany   $1,000
8   Porter Cottrell   USA   $1,000
9   Jean Pierre Fux   Switzerland   $1,000
10   Darrem Charles   Trinidad   $1,000
11   Gunter Schlierkamp   Germany   $1,000
12   Roland Kickinger   Austria   $1,000
I thought it was a tossup, but Flex looked too "thick" in an odd way. It was like maybe he entered the gh/insulin era, because he had that "blown up from within" look. His waist was thicker as well.
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« Reply #104 on: August 31, 2012, 01:31:54 PM »

I thought it was a tossup, but Flex looked too "thick" in an odd way. It was like maybe he entered the gh/insulin era, because he had that "blown up from within" look. His waist was thicker as well.

He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94.  Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.
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« Reply #105 on: August 31, 2012, 01:47:21 PM »

He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94.  Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.

I might not go that far, Wiggs.  He was in OK shape at the early '95 shows, just kind of small.  I thought he was very impressive in 1996 for the Ironman, Arnold and NOC, around the time Ronnie was starting to come into his own ... nowhere near as ripped as his '93 best but the added size looked good on him.  I definitely thought he kicked Kevin's ass at the 1996 ASC.  Kevin had a more cut ass and hamstrings, but he looked bloofy everywhere else.  Dillet even said Kevin was "fat" onstage, LOL.  Dunno about that, but I didn't have him winning.
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« Reply #106 on: August 31, 2012, 01:52:21 PM »

He never was in really good condition again until 97 Arnold from when he got into his accident in 94.  Looked like shit (for him) in 95 and 96. 97 he was good again.
Lower back and glutes and hams at the 97 Arnold were still soft---and he was 224. If he was 220, chances are that would have been his absolute showing, period.
The accident screwed his mind up, felt like he had to play catch up. Instead of doing like Shawn Ray---doing what suits you, not doing what suits everybody else.
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« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2012, 08:33:51 PM »






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« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2012, 08:36:24 PM »

flex wins easy
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« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2012, 07:34:07 AM »

Not many can stand next to flex

The great branch warren can


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« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2012, 07:57:31 AM »







Phil is smoking him.
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« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2012, 08:00:17 AM »

flex wins easy

Stfu you mongoloid
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« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2012, 08:03:00 AM »

Phil is smoking him.

As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins
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« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2012, 08:07:02 AM »

The only reason Phil wins is because he is more consistent with his conditioning. Structurally I prefer the look of Flex. vs. the look of Phil.
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« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2012, 08:09:08 AM »

As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins

You tell that to these clowns that have "if" Phil competed with Cormier, flex, levrone or Ray...

Or it's cause Phil is competing in a "weak" line up..... Blah blah blah he is mr O, that's all that matters.

Since it's so easy flex, kev, Cormier should all come back and compete, they should place 1,2,3 since the field is so weak  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2012, 08:10:14 AM »

Phil has surpassed Flex,he carries the oil a lot better too.
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« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2012, 08:11:05 AM »

The only reason Phil wins is because he is more consistent with his conditioning. Structurally I prefer the look of Flex. vs. the look of Phil.

Personally I think Shawn Ray had the most "real" muscle out od all of them. Flex became a oil bag..

Chris was good too
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« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2012, 08:12:58 AM »

Personally I think Shawn Ray had the most "real" muscle out od all of them. Flex became a oil bag..

If Shawn had been at least 5'9 he'd would have been an Olympia winner,  I don't like Flex after 98. in 99 he went nuts with the slin and seos.
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« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2012, 08:17:52 AM »

If Shawn had been at least 5'9 he'd would have been an Olympia winner,  I don't like Flex after 98. in 99 he went nuts with the slin and seos.

Come to think of it I think Cormier is better overall in terms of balance and his physique could pack on so much mass, being 5'10 and one of the best structure in bbing he did compete in upwards of 250 and could easily be in the 260's or 270's given his frame. I just think after the 4 time Arnold runner up spot got him mentally, that and lifestyle....
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« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2012, 08:19:35 AM »

Come to think of it I think Cormier is better overall in terms of balance and his physique could pack on so much mass, being 5'10 and one of the best structure in bbing he did compete in upwards of 250 and could easily be in the 260's or 270's given his frame. I just think after the 4 time Arnold runner up spot got him mentally, that and lifestyle....

Yes, Chriswas great but dude loved to "party" too much.  He could have won an Olympia also.
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« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2012, 08:19:42 AM »

As much as I like Flex in that comparison he is , Flex can compete from the waist up but overall Phil wins

Yep. Like I said earlier in the thread, I would rather look like Flex in his prime, but in that particular comparison Phil is as hard as nails in those back shots. Phil's conditioning is too consistent head to toe to lose to Flex IMO.
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« Reply #121 on: September 01, 2012, 08:23:09 AM »

The more i look at Flex the more i think he was overrated. He doesn't look like he carries legit muscle, too much oil, very narrow, weak chest. Shawn had better aesthetics and its a fucking tragedy that he didn't get the O in 1994, Yates looked like complete shit. As for Chris, getting robbed against Jay at The AC so many times probably fucked up his motivation. Great structure.
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« Reply #122 on: September 01, 2012, 08:32:46 AM »

This is the problem, besides Ronnie emerging you got:

Flex - all genetics, got lazy, ego

Kev - only trained a couple of months, didn't have full off season to gain quality mass, legs went to shit, back was blah, so much more potential if that makes any sense

Shawn - short, criticized for looking the same, classic 80's physique but judges started turning to mass monsters, other than that seems to be no other big weaknesses but I bet his mouth got him in trouble...

Chris - PARTY... And white women, enough said

Then theres Phil, good preppy college boy from Denver, smart, well spoken, hard working and associated with jay...

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« Reply #123 on: September 01, 2012, 08:37:20 AM »

FW: "Chris, don't you think we should start thinking of what we're gonna do after competing, bro?"


CC: "yeah, yeah bro. I hear ya... Hey! Who dat fine white ho?!"


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« Reply #124 on: September 01, 2012, 08:46:23 AM »

Chris might lose to Flex and Phil in the BDB, but he arguably has the better RLS of the three.

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