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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2012, 11:11:13 AM »
???

Correct me if I`m wrong but it was Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed big time?

I take it you support this.  ???

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2012, 11:13:09 AM »
Posted at 11:22 AM ET, 08/30/2012
Ryan freaks out Obamaland

By Jennifer Rubin


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/ryan-freaks-out-obamaland/2012/08/30/be97852e-f2ac-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html




The Democrats are losing it, literally. The Obama camp and its surrogates are losing the fight to control the narrative about Mitt Romney and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) They are losing the effort to distract voters through the presence at the GOP convention of Obama campaign staffers such as Robert Gibbs and Ben LaBolt, who spend their time wandering about and whining to the media here in Tampa about the “negativity” of the other side. They are losing the ability to con the media into focusing on likability, as if perceptions of Romney and Ryan wouldn’t improve after this event.
 
That spilled over last night in a group outburst from Romney-Ryan critics over Paul Ryan’s speech. Needless to say, the speech was a ringing success with delegates and in much of the mainstream media. Ryan bloodied President Obama with blow after blow, all the while appearing cheery and sincere. The crowd loved it. So nearly en masse the left decided that Ryan “lied.”
 
For starters, that is the ultimate compliment. It is in effect saying the speech worked so well and was received so well that the only thing to say is that it was a con job.
 
But the “lies” turn out not to be lies at all. They are not even misrepresentations or exaggerations.
 
Take Ryan’s criticism of Obama’s ignoring Simpson-Bowles. This is a fact. That Ryan voted for it and then put together the only comprehensive budget using some elements of Simpson-Bowles (a premium-support Medicare plan, block-granting Medicaid) doesn’t make his remarks about Obama a lie. A true statement — Obama ignored Simpson-Bowles — is not a lie because there is another true statement — Ryan voted no and came up with his own plan. This is a standard of “lying” that has never been applied to the president, by the way.
 
Then there is the “lie” that Obama took $716 billion out of Medicare. That is also a fact. That Ryan, who has now signed onto Romney’s plan which puts the money back, previously took those cuts to put back into the Medicare trust fund does not make the statement false. Obama can defend the cuts and say it wasn’t so bad or say that sticking the money into Obamacare was justified, but Ryan did relate what Obama did.

Then there is the accusation that Ryan “lied” about the Janesville GM plant. Let’s recall exactly what he said: “‘I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what [Obama] said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.” Ryan quoted Obama accurately.
 
Ryan never said the plant was closed by Obama; he said Obama promised to revive the plant and couldn’t deliver. That is a fact, not a ”lie.” Well, it’s not a lie by Ryan; and I’ll not call Obama’s promise to keep the plant open a “lie.” Obama just didn’t deliver. The Romney-Ryan campaign points to a story in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel verifying that a decision was made in 2011, well after Obama’s Janesville appearance, to keep the plant on standby. (“Since they were shut down in 2009, both the Janesville and Tennessee plants have been on standby status, meaning they were not producing vehicles, but they were not completely shut down.”)
 
The stings on these issues cut so deeply that I suppose that the Obama team and its media allies are crazed to turn facts into lies and aspirations into distortions. Take Ryan’s statement that he’ll keep GDP below 20 percent. What Ryan critics say is “misleading” is in fact a policy difference. Ryan’s budget does bring spending to about 20 percent of GDP, with an increase in defense spending. It’s fine to say that’s a bad choice; but it’s not misleading.

It is likewise not misleading to say: “None of us have to settle for the best this administration offers — a dull, adventureless journey from one entitlement to the next, a government-planned life, a country where everything is free but us.” That is an accurate description of Obama’s own “Life of Julia” Web site, which depicted exactly that. If anyone blew it, it was the Obama team in putting out a caricature of the liberal welfare state.
 
I understand the frustration of Obama’s camp and its supporters. Moreover, I think much of the media accusations were offered in haste in an effort to get out the instant reaction without the media doing their full homework. It is a revealing moment, for the press and the Obama camp. For members of the Obama team, it means they are losing the race, and they know it.
 

By Jennifer Rubin  |  11:22 AM ET, 08/30/2012

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2012, 11:14:02 AM »
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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/18/nation/la-na-ryan-gm-20120818

Rep. Paul Ryan fought to bail out GM plant in Wisconsin district
Conservatives view Mitt Romney's running mate as a symbol of fiscal austerity and Democrats see him as a radical ideologue. Neither characterization fits his effort to save the GM plant.
August 18, 2012|By Kathleen Hennessey, Washington Bureau
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The shuttered General Motors plant in Janesville, Wis., hometown of Rep.… (Andy Manis, Associated…)
JANESVILLE, Wis. — In September 2008, as Wall Street was roiling with calamity, Rep. Paul D. Ryan was facing another looming disaster back home.

A General Motors plant, the lifeblood of his hometown, was set to close. The huge Suburbans and Tahoes from the Janesville production line were no longer in vogue. The aging plant was to stop production by Christmas — unless Ryan and other Wisconsin officials could save it.


Ryan, then the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, flew to Detroit to cajole GM executives. For more than an hour, he and other officials made a PowerPoint proposal that mixed union concessions with unprecedented state and local tax breaks for GM.

"We put an enormous package on the table," said then-Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat, of the state-led effort.

Two years later, as chairman of the budget committee, Ryan became known for another PowerPoint presentation — a slide show on the federal government's ballooning debt. In that pitch, Ryan touted his budget plan, which includes a vow to "end corporate welfare."

Now Ryan's plan and his salesmanship have helped him become GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's running mate. The choice has thrilled conservatives who view him as a symbol of unwavering fiscal austerity and delighted Democrats who see him as a radical ideologue.

Neither characterization fits Ryan's effort to save the GM plant in his district. Despite his paeans to free markets, Ryan voted for $14 billion in emergency federal loans to help bail out the auto industry during the waning days of the George W. Bush administration.

Ryan was closely involved in a task force that helped craft two incentive packages with large state tax breaks for GM, and personally lobbied GM executives to accept the bids.

"I would say Congressman Ryan did what a good member of Congress would do for his district," Doyle said. He added that like many other Republicans, Ryan made sure to "complain about the so-called stimulus and bailouts while also lining up to make sure their districts were getting taken care of."

Ryan's record of seeking federal money for his district came under close scrutiny last week after he denied and then acknowledged requesting money available under the $800-billion stimulus bill passed by Congress in 2009. Ryan had voted against the bill, and decried it as wasteful. In a statement Thursday, he said constituents' requests for stimulus funds "should have been handled differently."

A Ryan aide, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, said that although Ryan's proposed budget plan promises to take the federal government "out of the business of picking winners and losers in the marketplace," he makes a distinction between what is appropriate for the federal and state governments. Ryan believes states are free to compete for business as they see fit, the aide said.

No one in Janesville was surprised that their native son would try to save the GM plant.

Ryan's family had been in the blue-collar town for five generations, even longer than the GM plant, then 82 years old. Ryan's father had worked there one summer during high school. Ryan regularly campaigned outside the gates when he ran for Congress.


Rumors of the plant's demise were perennial, however. When GM finally announced in May 2008 that it would stop production by year's end, local and state officials scrambled to save more than 4,000 jobs.

Local, state and federal leaders formed a task force to persuade GM to give Janesville another look. Ryan's chief of staff was a fixture at the meetings and Ryan regularly reached out to GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, with whom he had forged a close working relationship, participants said.

Ryan "knew what it meant, how devastating it would be," said Tim Cullen, the task force co-chairman and now a Democratic state senator. "I think he showed he has a pragmatic streak in him."

At the September 2008 meeting in Detroit, Ryan helped pitch a $224-million proposal that included roughly $50 million in state enterprise zone tax credits, local government grants worth $22 million, and major contract concessions from the United Auto Workers union local.

But it soon became clear that the future of Janesville — and all of GM — hinged on federal intervention.

In late November, executives from Detroit's Big Three flew to Washington to ask for a bailout. The next day, Mitt Romney made his opposition clear in a New York Times op-ed titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Ryan disagreed. He supported a House bill that offered $14 billion in fast-tracked loans to GM and Chrysler. Ryan cited his district's "gut-wrenching" experience with layoffs, and a commitment to the auto industry. He also suggested that, under other circumstances, he might have voted no.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2012, 11:18:57 AM »
The plant is on standby status and not closed.  Your number 6 even states its not closed yet.

But that doesn`t really matter because I don`t see where Obama made any promises to specifically keep any plant open.

HEHEHEHE!! 

You must have failed the Hooked on Phonics course.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2012, 11:21:50 AM »
and - at the time he was in the minority party.   You act like a single congressman in the minority party can do all this on his own? 

Geez dude. 


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/18/nation/la-na-ryan-gm-20120818

Rep. Paul Ryan fought to bail out GM plant in Wisconsin district
Conservatives view Mitt Romney's running mate as a symbol of fiscal austerity and Democrats see him as a radical ideologue. Neither characterization fits his effort to save the GM plant.
August 18, 2012|By Kathleen Hennessey, Washington Bureau
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The shuttered General Motors plant in Janesville, Wis., hometown of Rep.… (Andy Manis, Associated…)
JANESVILLE, Wis. — In September 2008, as Wall Street was roiling with calamity, Rep. Paul D. Ryan was facing another looming disaster back home.

A General Motors plant, the lifeblood of his hometown, was set to close. The huge Suburbans and Tahoes from the Janesville production line were no longer in vogue. The aging plant was to stop production by Christmas — unless Ryan and other Wisconsin officials could save it.


Ryan, then the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, flew to Detroit to cajole GM executives. For more than an hour, he and other officials made a PowerPoint proposal that mixed union concessions with unprecedented state and local tax breaks for GM.

"We put an enormous package on the table," said then-Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat, of the state-led effort.

Two years later, as chairman of the budget committee, Ryan became known for another PowerPoint presentation — a slide show on the federal government's ballooning debt. In that pitch, Ryan touted his budget plan, which includes a vow to "end corporate welfare."

Now Ryan's plan and his salesmanship have helped him become GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's running mate. The choice has thrilled conservatives who view him as a symbol of unwavering fiscal austerity and delighted Democrats who see him as a radical ideologue.

Neither characterization fits Ryan's effort to save the GM plant in his district. Despite his paeans to free markets, Ryan voted for $14 billion in emergency federal loans to help bail out the auto industry during the waning days of the George W. Bush administration.

Ryan was closely involved in a task force that helped craft two incentive packages with large state tax breaks for GM, and personally lobbied GM executives to accept the bids.

"I would say Congressman Ryan did what a good member of Congress would do for his district," Doyle said. He added that like many other Republicans, Ryan made sure to "complain about the so-called stimulus and bailouts while also lining up to make sure their districts were getting taken care of."

Ryan's record of seeking federal money for his district came under close scrutiny last week after he denied and then acknowledged requesting money available under the $800-billion stimulus bill passed by Congress in 2009. Ryan had voted against the bill, and decried it as wasteful. In a statement Thursday, he said constituents' requests for stimulus funds "should have been handled differently."

A Ryan aide, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, said that although Ryan's proposed budget plan promises to take the federal government "out of the business of picking winners and losers in the marketplace," he makes a distinction between what is appropriate for the federal and state governments. Ryan believes states are free to compete for business as they see fit, the aide said.

No one in Janesville was surprised that their native son would try to save the GM plant.

Ryan's family had been in the blue-collar town for five generations, even longer than the GM plant, then 82 years old. Ryan's father had worked there one summer during high school. Ryan regularly campaigned outside the gates when he ran for Congress.


Rumors of the plant's demise were perennial, however. When GM finally announced in May 2008 that it would stop production by year's end, local and state officials scrambled to save more than 4,000 jobs.

Local, state and federal leaders formed a task force to persuade GM to give Janesville another look. Ryan's chief of staff was a fixture at the meetings and Ryan regularly reached out to GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, with whom he had forged a close working relationship, participants said.

Ryan "knew what it meant, how devastating it would be," said Tim Cullen, the task force co-chairman and now a Democratic state senator. "I think he showed he has a pragmatic streak in him."

At the September 2008 meeting in Detroit, Ryan helped pitch a $224-million proposal that included roughly $50 million in state enterprise zone tax credits, local government grants worth $22 million, and major contract concessions from the United Auto Workers union local.

But it soon became clear that the future of Janesville — and all of GM — hinged on federal intervention.

In late November, executives from Detroit's Big Three flew to Washington to ask for a bailout. The next day, Mitt Romney made his opposition clear in a New York Times op-ed titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Ryan disagreed. He supported a House bill that offered $14 billion in fast-tracked loans to GM and Chrysler. Ryan cited his district's "gut-wrenching" experience with layoffs, and a commitment to the auto industry. He also suggested that, under other circumstances, he might have voted no.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2012, 11:23:01 AM »
So like a ping pong ball, Adonis is now arguing that Ryan is wrong for taking Stim money after being shown that the "fact checkers" for the left lied about when the Janesville plant closed.  So in the end, Ryan didn't lie, the left did. Thanks.

Typical liberals.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2012, 11:23:49 AM »
So like a ping pong ball, Adonis is now arguing that Ryan is wrong for taking Stim money after being shown that the "fact checkers" for the left lied about when the Janesville plant closed.  So in the end, Ryan didn't lie, the left did. Thanks.

Typical liberals.
Where have I argued anything?  I am just presenting the facts.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2012, 11:26:09 AM »
So like a ping pong ball, Adonis is now arguing that Ryan is wrong for taking Stim money after being shown that the "fact checkers" for the left lied about when the Janesville plant closed.  So in the end, Ryan didn't lie, the left did. Thanks.

Typical liberals.
???

The plant closing was put in action before Barack even won the election.  Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed.

What more is there to know?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2012, 11:34:51 AM »
???

The plant closing was put in action before Barack even won the election.  Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed.

What more is there to know?

YES BUT OBAMA PROMISED TO KEEP IT OPEN AND LEAD AN EFFORT TO RETOOL IT SO IT COULD STAY OPEN 100 YEARS.

HE DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH W THAT PROMISE


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2012, 11:45:32 AM »
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
here's one truth   :D :D :D :D :D

this should have been the theme of the RNC convention

Although their "we built it" theme is pretty much the same thing

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2012, 11:47:25 AM »
this should have been the theme of the RNC convention

Although their "we built it" theme is pretty much the same thing


Well these so called "fact checkers" completly shit the bed to kneepad obama since his failed presidency is being taken to task.   


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2012, 11:51:30 AM »

Well these so called "fact checkers" completly shit the bed to kneepad obama since his failed presidency is being taken to task.   

obviously you've forgotten that you imagine something and then pretend its actually true


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2012, 11:55:53 AM »
???

The plant closing was put in action before Barack even won the election.  Ryan who flew to the plant, held private meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, promised them he would keep it open and really failed.

What more is there to know?

You are business stalwart.

By all indication the plant was not going to close as long as there was a profit to be made. That was clear by the appearance of your messiah at the plant. Promising that it would stay open.

Or are you saying that Obama was too stupid to realize that the plant was going to close anyway and still made those statements? Reminds me of Solyndra.

Thanks for proving why lil barry should be voted out.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2012, 12:02:29 PM »
You are business stalwart.

By all indication the plant was not going to close as long as there was a profit to be made. That was clear by the appearance of your messiah at the plant. Promisin that it would stay open.

Or are you saying that Obama was too stupid to realize that the plant was going to close anyway and still made those statements. Reminds me of Solyndra.

Thanks for proving why lil barry should be voted out.


Imagine that, having to make a profit to say in business.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #89 on: August 30, 2012, 12:03:59 PM »
Imagine that, having to make a profit to say in business.

Obama is against profit remember? 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #90 on: August 30, 2012, 12:13:46 PM »
Facts and evidence.... Republican minds "have a way to shut that down".

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #91 on: August 30, 2012, 12:34:42 PM »
Imagine that, having to make a profit to say in business.

Obama takes that profit and gives it to the leeches.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #92 on: August 30, 2012, 01:02:29 PM »
Politifact Lies About Paul Ryan and the Janesville GM Plant
Stephen Gutowski
Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 11:25am


Last night Politifact Wisconsin issued one of the least factual and most skewed "fact checks" I've ever seen. Not only do they bend over backwards to provide cover to one of the most impotent promises President Obama ever made, they also simply lie about the key facts they use to label Paul Ryan's claim false. Here is Politifact's ruling:


Ryan said Obama broke his promise to keep a Wisconsin GM plant from closing. But we don't see evidence he explicitly made such a promise -- and more importantly, the Janesville plant shut down before he took office.

We rate Ryan's statement False.

Let's start with what Obama said and see if any reasonable human being who isn't simply shilling for the President could possibly reach the same conclusion as Politifact:


I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant.  But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out.  And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.  The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive.  I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President.

So, President Obama went to the Janesville GM plant and told them that if the policies he supports were enacted, the plant would "be here for another hundred years". If a presidential candidate comes to your plant and tells you the execution of his policies will keep it open for another hundred years that's a promise or a guarentee or whatever you want. However, it most certainly isn't meaningless as Politifact would like us all to believe.

And, of course, President Obama's policies were enacted but the Janesville GM plant didn't even survive through all of 2009. Instead, it shut down on April 23rd 2009. Which brings me to the next point. Politifact is just plain lying about when the Jainsville plant closed.

They claim it "effectively" closed in December of 2008. That's simply false. While the SUV line in the plant was shut down in December of 2008 the plant's truck line remained up and running until April 23rd 2009.

There's just no way around that. Throwing in a weasel word like "effectively" doesn't change anything. The simple fact is that closed factories don't build trucks.

So, there you have it. President Obama promised the Janesville GM plant would go on building for a hundred years but even after the government bought GM and Obama came into office the plant shut down. That's the reality of the situation whether the liberals at Politifact like it or not.
 
 
http://mrctv.org/blog/politifact-lies-about-paul-ryan-and-janesville-gm-plant


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #93 on: August 30, 2012, 06:35:34 PM »
Why the Left freaked out about Paul Ryan telling the truth about the Janesville closing
RedState ^ | August 30, 2012 | Moe Lane
Posted on August 30, 2012 11:12:08 AM EDT by Cincinatus' Wife

From Paul Ryan’s convention speech yesterday:

>>>President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.<<<

This is, by the way, a perfectly accurate statement. There was a GM plant in Janesville. Barack Obama did make a speech there in 2008. He did, in that speech, make those comments. And the plant did not “last another year” – despite, I should note, the Obama administration’s bailout of GM that the administration is kind-of, sort-of touting as an ‘achievement.’ These are all true things; which has not kept the Left from screaming otherwise, to the point where the Obama campaign has officially (and in my opinion, unwisely) called Paul Ryan a liar.

There are two things that jump out at me about the reaction to Ryan’s comments:

1. The liberals who were not aware of the details originally are displaying what is frankly an appalling level of ignorance about… well, take your pick. The President’s embarrassingly bad track record when it comes to his promises? The state of America, outside of the Leftist Pale that is the Beltway? Paul Ryan’s rhetorical history? – Pick one or another; they all fit. Particularly this last one; nobody should have been surprised to see the Republican VP nominee talk about a factory closing in his home town.

2. And that leads to the liberals who were aware of the details originally: those folks are being pretty appalling, all on their own. There’s a certain level of ignorance here, as well – but there’s rather more mendacity. You see, unlike the Leftist blogs and websites and rank-and-file membership, the people running the Democratic party actually know what is going on with the world today. They can’t help but know about it; after all, they’re almost exclusively responsible for the state of affairs which has made this economic recovery the weakest one within most people’s memory.

And yet, instead of simply gritting their teeth and taking the hit, the Democratic Establishment is trying to incite its base by calling something true a lie. Which to me suggests that the Left – specifically, the Obama for America team – is simultaneously utterly contemptuous of its own base’s ability to reason, and quietly terrified that said base might eventually wise up to the fact that it’s being taken for the Mother Of All Rides. That these two attitudes are subtly contradictory should be no surprise: to mangle Lewis Carroll, the Left has long been accustomed to believing six impossible things before breakfast.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #94 on: August 30, 2012, 06:36:55 PM »
well this has to be true it's from redstate  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #95 on: August 30, 2012, 06:41:32 PM »
well this has to be true it's from redstate  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I posted the rebuttal from Forbes.   did you not see that? 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #96 on: August 30, 2012, 07:22:51 PM »
I posted the rebuttal from Forbes.   did you not see that? 
I saw that even Fox News called him out on his bullshit.


Why bother defending this weasley schmuck at this point?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2012, 05:43:57 AM »
Facts and evidence.... Republican minds "have a way to shut that down".

It comes with their religion

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2012, 05:57:31 AM »
well this has to be true it's from redstate  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

That's actually a pretty damn good blog.

Anyways, here is the skinny.

-GM had scheduled to close the Janesville plant, which was a joint Izuzu/GM venture, during the summer of 2008.
-Production of GM vehicles ended during the later part of 2008, while Bush was still in office.
-The plant remained open to complete production of the last remaining light/medium duty trucks until April of 2009.
-After orders were filled the plant was shuttered and decommissioned.


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #99 on: August 31, 2012, 11:02:36 AM »
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FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open

August 30, 2012 | 9:36 am
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FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open

 

Last night, in his Republican National Convention speech, Paul Ryan said:
 

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
 
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.
 
The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:
 
1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
 
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
 
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
 
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.
 
5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.
 
6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
 
6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.