Ryan destroyed by Stewart...

[Fury]

i don't remember asking for a nerdy guys opinion  

I don't remember anyone on this board asking for Simple Jack's opinion. You'd be better off trying to color within the lines (which I doubt you can do).

[MCWAY]

I don't remember anyone on this board asking for Simple Jack's opinion. You'd be better off trying to color within the lines (which I doubt you can do).

Nothing scares Obama like truth

By Michael Graham
Friday, August 31, 2012 - Updated 21 hours ago

 To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are three kinds of liars: Liars, damned liars . . . and screaming, foamy-mouthed MSNBC hosts watching Paul Ryan speak.

We have now moved into what academics might call the “post-factual” portion of the Obama campaign. For example: Tuesday night Ann Romney gives a warm, charmingly earnest speech. Obama flak Robert Gibbs calls it an “angry” night “full of insults.” What “insults?” He doesn’t say. He just says “Republicans are angry!”

Why? Because he needs them to be.

The RNC features black Republicans like Condoleezza Rice, Rep. Artur Davis and Mia Love. CNN and MSNBC fill their panels with nuts like Toure and the Rev. Al Sharpton decrying the “racism” in Tampa. Their proof? They don’t need “proof.” For Obama to win, they need Republicans to be “racist” — so the pundits say they are.

Republican Mitch McCon- nell quips “Obama hasn’t been working to earn re-election. He’s been working to earn a spot on the PGA tour.” MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell knows what’s up: “He’s aligning . . . the lifestyle of Tiger Woods to Obama.”

And in perhaps the most blatant example, DNC spokesflak Debbie Wasserman Schultz used a Los Angeles Times article to claim that Mitt Romney is responsible for the abortion plank of the GOP platform. CNN’s Anderson Cooper confronted her with the fact that the Times article she quoted said the exact opposite — that Romney did not support the plank as written.

Wasserman Schultz’s answer? “Anderson, it doesn’t matter.”

Wow.

Liberal “news” man Howard Fineman did us a favor Wednesday, laying out the Democrats’ strategy: “Prove clearly” that Paul Ryan — and Mitt Romney and anyone else who can do math — is “lying” . . . whether they are or not.

Why? Because Obama supporters can’t handle the truth. The facts about the Obama record are so awful, so indefensible that the very idea of “facts” must be destroyed.

Here’s a story Ryan told in his speech about a promise Obama made at a Janesville, Wis., auto plant: “Candidate Obama said, ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.”

It’s an effective metaphor for the many promises Obama has made about the economy that didn’t come true. And that was the problem. It’s too effective. And so the Fineman Effect kicked in: Ryan was declared a liar.

“That plant was already closed in 2008,” screamed Chris Matthews, who nearly had to be placed in Hannibal Lecter restraints for his own protection. Thursday morning, Obama lackeys in the “politi-fact” business jumped in, claiming Ryan’s statement as false.

One problem: Ryan was right. Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”

After their failure in convincing Americans of a “GOP War On Women,” Democrats have declared their own war: A war on truth itself.


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?&articleid=1061157000&format=&page=2&listingType=opi#articleFull

[Soul Crusher]

Ryan told the truth and the lefy freaked out             ob

[Straw Man]

Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out

[chadstallion]

Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out

and that's why this is starting to be fun again!

[MCWAY]

Ryan lied his ass off and everyone pointed it out

Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?

[Soul Crusher]

Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?

He didn't do that, somebody else made that happen.

[Straw Man]

Obama didn't claim "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.’?

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008

[Soul Crusher]

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama


Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008

LOL.   Did you even read his one damn quote! 

[Straw Man]

LOL.   Did you even read his one damn quote! 

yep

from my link

The facts:

First, some context. Ryan reportedly recalled this event incorrectly just days ago, during an August 16 speech in Ohio.

Ryan reportedly alleged that Obama said he'd "keep that plant open," and therefore broke his promise because the plant closed.

"That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said, according to the Janesville Gazette. "One more broken promise."

The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007.

[Soul Crusher]

yep

from my link

FALSE!    Obama poured billions more into GM and chose to close the plant down due to it's carbon footprint. 

[Straw Man]

FALSE!    Obama poured billions more into GM and chose to close the plant down due to it's carbon footprint. 

the plant closed before he got in office

and

he never said on February 13th that he was going to keep that specific plant open

right?

[Soul Crusher]

the plant closed before he got in office

and

he never said on February 13th that he was going to keep that specific plant open

right?

BULLSHIT!!!!   do you even read! 

[Straw Man]

BULLSHIT!!!!   do you even read! 

do you have a specific point or are you saying "no" or that I'm wrong in what I said in the two statements I just made ?

[MCWAY]

He didn't do that, somebody else made that happen.

Didn't Obama also visit several plants (including a Caterpillar one), either before or shortly after he got elected, touting his plan.....only to have that plant close about a year later?

[MCWAY]

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama


Obama never promised to keep the plant open and the last car rolled off the production line in December of 2008

The Boston Herald article says otherwise:

Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”

[Soul Crusher]

The Boston Herald article says otherwise:

Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”

The liberal layabouts are in meltdown. 

[MCWAY]

The liberal layabouts are in meltdown. 

I think that was a running joke for a while, that every time Obama visited a plant to do a photo-op and tout his policies, that plant would close 6-12 months later.

[Straw Man]

The Boston Herald article says otherwise:

Local media at the time reported the factory still making cars in 2009, and even GM, the plant’s owner, has posted on the Web: “Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009.”

Nice job not posting any link to support your claim
Scroll up for picture commemorating the last car to roll off th assembly line in December 2008

[GigantorX]

Nice job not posting any link to support your claim
Scroll up for picture commemorating the last car to roll off th assembly line in December 2008

The plant continued to produce medium/light duty trucks until April 2009 by a skeleton crew. It was a joint Izuzu/GM venture.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The GOP doesn't need MSNBC to show them that they are racist and hostile to women....they do a pretty good job of that themselves.

[Straw Man]

The plant continued to produce medium/light duty trucks until April 2009 by a skeleton crew. It was a joint Izuzu/GM venture.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008

Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?

[Soul Crusher]

maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008

Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?

Yes

[GigantorX]

maybe because of the picture of people holding up a banner saying the last car rolled off the assembly line on December 23, 2008

Did Obama ever promise to keep this plant open?

The Janesville assembly plant was producing vehicles until April 2009.

[pro nitrousADRL]

Yes he did.