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The basic truth about bodybuilding (judging, drugs,supplements)
« on: September 02, 2012, 06:29:05 PM »
1. drugs - Every Mr Olympia since Larry Scott won the first Olympia in 1965, has used various steroids and BB drugs.
It has been as common  in hardcore BB, as barbells and protien powder. Despite what the gurus and dealers claim, no amount of drugs can ever turn you into a top pro , if you lack the basic genetic talent. It is not much different then benchpress contests with the new space age bench shirts. EVERY top lifter is going to get a 200-300 lb increase wearing a shirt ( depending on body wt).

It all comes back to YOUR genetic starting point and drive to win shows.  I have seen plenty of guys , juiced to the gills look like bloated warthogs and never win anything. Then , I have seen some genetic freaks on little to no drugs look like they could walk in and win a local NPC show with 2-3 weeks of diet. I used moderate amounts of basic steroids from 1984-86 and they helped precontest. I was bummed out to see they were not magic pills that guranteed I would win the contest. If you decide to juice, start out small and take the advice of an experienced older lifter. Stick with proven basic stuff and avoid gimmicks at all times. The reality is you can't compete on the biggest stage without doing the vitamin S.

It may sound crazy, but I think a moderate , basic drug cycle is a LOT better buy then most supplement stacks ( which are gimmicks).
Moderate , careful steroid use is no worse then drinking a few with your buds each weekend in the club.


2. Judging-

I have judged at every amatuer level from the old AAU Mr America to  local and regional NPC contests. Despite what you may have heard, 99.9% of all judging has little to do with politics or fixing contests. The judges don't decide to fix a show for or against some guy in the state meet. there just isn't enough at stake to do that and no body is that impotant in a BB contest. Like most I have heard about politics in the pro events, but rarely seen anything we could prove. I can't say from my own experience what goes on with the IFBB judges but I suspect it is similar to my experience. I was never an IFBB pro judge so I can't answer those questions or concerns.

It is the exact opposite of any , neat, well planned conspiracy. At ANY time during the judging you mark down the place of each bodybuilder on stage. The "points" are when the head judge adds up each individual judges placements. There are no extra points for: calfs, certain poses, conditioning, etc.

Picking the overall winner is even more casual. Each judge has a notecard size pc of paper for the overall winner posedown. At any time during the posedown you write down the number of the bodybuilder you think should win plus  2nd and then 3rd in a  big close contest.
You hand your pick down to the head judge and he totals up each judges pick, low score wins ( 1st is 1 pt, 2nd is 2 pts , 3rd s 3 pts).
The wt class winners NEVER have their posedown or routines judged as the wt classes are 100% determined during the prejudging.
* The NPC nationals (ONLY) does reserve the right to change places after the prejudging if someone comes back way off for the finals.*
Most judges take pride in making good objective picks but to be honest it is more art then science. It isn't that different from having a bunch of guys decide who is the hottest girl in a bar.

3. supplements vs food - Most basic supplement ( whey pro) are just concentrated food but still  can't replace a good diet for making gains. You are a lot better off spending your hard earned $$ on quality lean meats, veggies,grain  breads, etc. Supplements are meant to be "in addition" to an already good diet to fill in any gaps. Here is what I think any good BB program should have:

a. thermogenic pre workout  with caffiene (or  green tea) , I love Hemorage concetrate and 1MR myself.
   Take your pick, but thse really help you FEEL like tearing up the wts and staying on your diet.

b. vitamin/mineral pack - not exotic but a must for total nutritional needs.

c. Glucosomine/ Chrondrotin - start young and stay on it for joint health, we all get older haha.

d. whey pro - I prefer the isolate versions as they digest in me better BUT they cost more. A basic scoop in water in a shaker helps keep feeding your muscles without needing to eat a chicken breast every 2-3 hrs. A fruit or veggie like carrots is good to add while drinking it .

e. creatine - proven record to help gains and train harder.

That's it, and avoid gimmick stuff like most of the test boosters.


4. Training - I have tried just about every system out there in my 36 yrs of bodybuilding.  It all comes down to a combination of useing some decent hvy wt and ending with a good pump in the muscle worked. For example a good bicep workout would be:

* barbell curls - 3 warm up sets where you pyramid up to a set (or 2 )to failure of 6-10 reps
* preacher curls - 1-2 warm up sets, 2 sets of 8-10 reps
* concentration curls - ( cable or DB)  2-3 sets of 12-15 reps  PUMP.


5. drive and motivation -

Genetic  freaks like Phil Heath with ideal shape will always be at at/near the top of the pack. But we also have the Branch Warren's doing well. This is becuase bodybuilding has a lot to do with building freakish mucle mass on your frame and deep, ripped cuts. Not every bodybuilder who compete can endure the combination of a rigid diet combined with intense training. In the end, the top bodybuilders really wanted to be champion bodybuilders. They were willing to endure the diet, training and yes even drug regimes to win the big shows. That drive to win can't be fabircated. You either have it, or you don't. No drug, no supplement, no guru can ever give you THAT.

Face it folks, in bodybuilding the rewards are ONLY for a very few at the top . Most of the female BB pros and a fair  % of the pro men make very little off bodybuilding shows or supplement contracts. We all know what kind of stuff they do to get by and pay the bills.
Bodybuilding is fun and I would have love to be a pro. BUT, I knew I lacked the basic talent and tunnel vision drive it takes to make it.
Most bodybuilders would a lot better off if they had a career and life OUTSIDE of the gym/supplement/ BB industry. For most of us bodybuilding is great lifestyle that can keep you younger looking and more fit then your peers. My only advice would be to bodybuild on YOUR terms and decide just how much you are willing to give to it.

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Re: The basic truth about bodybuilding ( judging, drugs,supplements etc)
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 06:39:09 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 06:43:19 PM »
im not gonna be negative howard but that was an ok post.or at least a reminder about things.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 06:47:09 PM »
im not gonna be negative howard but that was an ok post.or at least a reminder about things.

Yeah I feel it important to remind us all bodybuilding is a lot more mundane and basic then most want to admit.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 07:05:10 PM »
Good read.  Can you go through the bit where the bodybuilder gets fucked in the ass by a schmoe for some 'vitamin S'?

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 08:42:44 PM »
Usually I get through the first paragraph of a post this long before I tune out specially when it concerns bidybuilding cause i pretty much done heard it all,yet this one kinda sorta kept my attention ;)

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 08:46:12 PM »
STOP POSTING what the fuck man
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 08:54:22 PM »
So you've decided not to make a comeback then?

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 09:14:29 PM »
I have seen some genetic freaks on little to no drugs look like they could walk in and win a local NPC show with 2-3 weeks of diet.

because they told you so?

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 10:25:23 PM »
The problem is, drugs CAN turn you into a pro. Maybe not a top pro without genetics, but certainly a pro. Just ask Bigdownhill  :'(...

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 11:03:07 PM »
biggest load of shit i have read in a while you fucking gimmick.

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2012, 11:35:04 PM »

Face it folks, in bodybuilding the rewards are ONLY for a very few at the top . Most of the female BB pros and a fair  % of the pro men make very little off bodybuilding shows or supplement contracts. We all know what kind of stuff they do to get by and pay the bills.
Bodybuilding is fun and I would have love to be a pro. BUT, I knew I lacked the basic talent and tunnel vision drive it takes to make it.
Most bodybuilders would a lot better off if they had a career and life OUTSIDE of the gym/supplement/ BB industry.
For most of us bodybuilding is great lifestyle that can keep you younger looking and more fit then your peers.
My only advice would be to bodybuild on YOUR terms and decide just how much you are willing to give to it.

Awesome, great read. I wish someone with experience in the sport would write one of these directed specifically at the women in the sport, who seem to compromise their health, security, and integrity SO much more than the men, to gain SO much less.

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 11:40:00 PM »
biggest load of shit i have read in a while you fucking gimmick.


Are you saying drugs didn't make Big DAn hiLL a pro?

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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 11:57:35 PM »
because they told you so?

 I got a bud that looked rank a few years back and he didnt touch juice but now hes pretty soft. Their are some dudes that can get pretty jacked without juice but they are limited o how much size they put on. they will look the same for years then usually get softer over time.

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 12:44:00 AM »
Are you saying drugs didn't make Big DAn hiLL a pro?

drugs and genetics.

i hate all the losers who say it's all drugs, most of the top 10 olympians just have godly genetics of response and staying healthy (liver , cholesterol ect) they all mostly train like shit yet grow. while us mere mortals actually need to train like animals (naturally or by cheating with steroids) be strict with diet and sleep and will be half the size

Ovbiously dan had good response but his body was too weak to resist all the sides.

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2012, 12:48:11 AM »
drugs and genetics.

i hate all the losers who say it's all drugs, most of the top 10 olympians just have godly genetics of response and staying healthy (liver , cholesterol ect) they all mostly train like shit yet grow. while us mere mortals actually need to train like animals (naturally or by cheating with steroids) be strict with diet and sleep and will be half the size

Ovbiously dan had good response but his body was too weak to resist all the sides.


good response?? he looks like shit

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2012, 01:48:47 AM »
Sorry, i was thinking of another guy, yes that guy looks terrible, wasn't born to be a bodybuilder, should give up.


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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2012, 07:36:31 AM »
because they told you so?

That, combined with a pinky swear is the standard IFBB testing system

If its good enough for them, its good enough for me

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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2012, 08:46:27 AM »
good post howard,i liked the bench shirt analogy,though i have seen the rare exceptions,where a really awful raw bencher will take to a shirt better than a gifted raw bencher and blow the gifted bencher away,same goes for drugs and bodybuilding,some guys with lousy genetics will react great to a drug cycle and be able to tolerate it better than a genetically superior athlete,this is rare but owning a hardcore gym for over 10 years i have seen it happen.

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 09:22:31 AM »
Good post Howard! Genetics & good response to gear = top level pro!

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 09:35:06 AM »
biggest load of shit i have read in a while you fucking gimmick.


Why is it a load of shit?

I wish I had read that post before I ever picked up a Flex or Muscle & Fitness magazine 15-20 years ago - then I would have saved myself a shitload of time, money, and heartache.

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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2012, 09:56:36 AM »
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It isn't that different from having a bunch of guys decide who is the hottest girl in a bar.
Of course it is.
If it were down to each judges discretion where he placed someone then we would have winners getting 8th and 9th placings in their overall score.
Judges have to score to a laid down criteria and place competitors accordingly in order to toe the line and fit in with the other judges.(and stay on the expense gravy train)
What do you think would happen to a judge who placed Heath 10th because he thought his arms were too big?
Its a legitimate gripe about his physique isn't it?

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2012, 01:55:18 PM »
Awesome, great read. I wish someone with experience in the sport would write one of these directed specifically at the women in the sport, who seem to compromise their health, security, and integrity SO much more than the men, to gain SO much less.

Tanks for the positve words.
On the topic of pro BB woman, let me tell one about one that used good judgement.
Dr Mimi Jabalee ( chiropractor) won the NPC nationals in her "backyard" here in Atlanta, back in 2004.
I am pretty sure she never compete as a pro female bodybuilder after that.
She saw the trend and it wasn't about the promotion of hardcore female bodybuilding.
Three yrs ago, I ran into training at the ABW gym northwest of Atalnta.
I told her she still looked in great shape and asked her if she was going to compete as a pro.
Her reply was priceless ; " I had my night. It was great winning the nationals and getting a pro card in front of all my local friends.
But, I had a good career as a chiropractor before that night and my practice is going even better now. "
She smiled, gave me a quick hug and went back to training.

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2012, 01:56:54 PM »
Usually I get through the first paragraph of a post this long before I tune out specially when it concerns bidybuilding cause i pretty much done heard it all,yet this one kinda sorta kept my attention ;)

Thanks and did anything I wrote, surprise you ...or you disagree with?

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2012, 02:01:52 PM »
good post howard,i liked the bench shirt analogy,though i have seen the rare exceptions,where a really awful raw bencher will take to a shirt better than a gifted raw bencher and blow the gifted bencher away,same goes for drugs and bodybuilding,some guys with lousy genetics will react great to a drug cycle and be able to tolerate it better than a genetically superior athlete,this is rare but owning a hardcore gym for over 10 years i have seen it happen.

Good point and excellent observations! If everyone gained the exact same with a shirt, the best raw bencher would the best shirt bencher.
Obviously there are going to a small % of bodybuilders that blow up a lot better on certain drugs as well.
It isn't my most area , so I leave the drug specifics to those who have the expertise and experience I lack.

Regardless of the drug response, the bottom line is that you have to be a genetic freak and put a lot of time , energy and effort to go  in bodybuilding with no guarentee of return $$.