The basic truth about bodybuilding (judging, drugs,supplements)

[Howard]

Why is it a load of shit?

I wish I had read that post before I ever picked up a Flex or Muscle & Fitness magazine 15-20 years ago - then I would have saved myself a shitload of time, money, and heartache.

Thanks and that is my hope when I posted it.
Maybe just one or two younger guys will read it and take a sensible path in bodybuilding.

[Howard]

Of course it is.
If it were down to each judges discretion where he placed someone then we would have winners getting 8th and 9th placings in their overall score.
Judges have to score to a laid down criteria and place competitors accordingly in order to toe the line and fit in with the other judges.(and stay on the expense gravy train)
What do you think would happen to a judge who placed Heath 10th because he thought his arms were too big?
Its a legitimate gripe about his physique isn't it?

Ok since you brought it up let me explain a bit more about the real judging criteria used.
It is based more of accepted norms and ideals then the actual rule book.
Having bigger arms is almost always a great thing so long as the guy is developed well in the legs , like Heath.
BUT, it is a lot more casual and based on the current ideal look then most will admit.
For example, what look wins today was not what won 40 yrs ago.
Zane was a 3 time Olympia winner ( 77,78,79) ad Yates won it several times in the 90's.
Two very different physique types as Mr O from 2 different eras.

[Howard]

when ppl ask how much they will gain from a cycle

then thats all you need to know about the mindset and how much ppl exaggerate the effect of drugs.

asking that question exposes the asker as a dumbass.


the pros are pros because theyre born to be pros , very simple.

the majority of people on steroids actualy looks like total shit.

genetics are everything, drugs come next.

drugs cant make up for bad genetics.

not everybody is the same.

ppl should talk less and engage less in jealousy and excuses like "all drugs" and instead hit the gym more often.

that said ,natural training is pointless.besides the first year(s), where one should learn to flex properly during exercise and how to eat right,more or less.and ofc between cycles.

in the big picture, even dan hill has good genetics.compared to the vast majority of ppl out there who dont ever train.

Good pts and good post. BUT a hardworking guy with decent genetics can buildin a decent contest level body on little or no drugs.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=439245.75

scroll down a bit and TA posted three pics I had up years back .

The 2 shots in red trunks were in 1987 and had been off all steroids for a yr.
The side chest in blue trunks was 1993 and was 7 yrs clean at that point.

[johnny_english]

Howard, for the first time since i started reading your threads, you seem to be making sence for once, has something changed? good honest thread

[Howard]

Howard, for the first time since i started reading your threads, you seem to be making sence for once, has something changed? good honest thread

Thanks and I simply opted to post some honest, open threads others might relate to.
I realized that a lot of members here enjoy hearing about the "overall" aspects of bodybuilding.

[Howard]

hey howard, i sincerely believe steroids alter where youll get with clean training later on.

not the same like never doing steroids.

do you understand what i mean?

I know exactly what you mean.
This is why I posted when and what I was taking.
For example, I used some Winnie V, decca and generic d-bol tabs from 1984-86.
In the 1987 pics ( red trunks) I was off for aprox 10 full months .
That isn't that long and may have made an impact on my 1987 Jr USA physique.
I am interested in being honest and open on the drug issue instead of crazy lies and rumors.

[slate]

for some reason most people forget that there are at least two types of "genetics":

1-genetics to gain muscle by weight training without drugs
2-genetics to gain muscle by weight training with drugs


PS-for simplicity i am assuming most people in the pool end up using the same drugs


very often  the people in group 1 are not in 2 and vice versa

[Howard]

for some reason most people forget that there are at least two types of "genetics":

1-genetics to gain muscle by weight training without drugs
2-genetics to gain muscle by weight training with drugs


PS-for simplicity i am assuming most people in the pool end up using the same drugs


very often  the people in group 1 are not in 2 and vice versa

In my case, the amount I used was so low and moderate , it never made that big a difference.
I did find it easier to get that blown up, fully separated look for a contest while on some stuff.
I can only post about what I know for a fact and that includes what I actually did.

[nkhp]

hey howard, i sincerely believe steroids alter where youll get with clean training later on.

not the same like never doing steroids.

do you understand what i mean?

I agree with this 100%.

[Howard]

I agree with this 100%.

Maybe the drugs do alter your gains for a period of time after going off , but not beyond a a year or so.
Unlike a lot of guys, I was 100% honest on what/when I used the juice.