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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2012, 07:58:33 AM »

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2012, 08:00:04 AM »

So because she wasn't told by the doctor of the cost and she had to make a life and death choice, she should still be responsible for it????

It should never be an "out of network" charge for scorpion venom...and a lot of medicine is made in Mexico so it doesn't make any difference 


So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it? 

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2012, 08:01:50 AM »
An amendment is long overdue.

So what the government is doing is unconstitutional then
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2012, 08:01:57 AM »


So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it? 
You already do, except MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than if we were to have Single-Payer.

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2012, 08:03:07 AM »
So what the government is doing is unconstitutional then
Not at all.  Bob Dole`s plan aka RomneyCare aka Obamacare are all legal.

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2012, 08:03:23 AM »
You did by opposing the public healthcare option so badly.

All the healthcare companies had to do was yell communism and you shit yourself and handed them the keys.

You were used buddy

More uninformed bullshit from the peanut gallery ::) And your fucking right I'm going to oppose a bunch of unconstitutional crap the government tried to server up.
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2012, 08:04:01 AM »


So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it? 


Do you care if she lives???  You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2012, 08:05:01 AM »
Not at all.  Bob Dole`s plan aka RomneyCare aka Obamacare are all legal.

Romneycare yes, done at the state level. The rest not so much, the SC shit the bed on their decision. They say that the mandate is a tax, but what kind of tax is it?  An inaction tax? Well thats just fucking great, it if I don't buy something the government can tax me for it
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2012, 08:08:04 AM »

Do you care if she lives???  You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.
Personally I don't care, but then I don't know her and I've never met her.
If you're asking, If I was in the same situation, would I care, then yes, probably. 40,000 for some anti-venom is stupid.

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2012, 08:08:09 AM »

Do you care if she lives???  You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.

What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma  ?

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2012, 08:11:17 AM »
What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma  ?

Nothing you are changing topic because your intellect does allow you to debate in this thread anymore.

Go start a anti-Obama thread again and leave this discussion to adults

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2012, 08:11:49 AM »
What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma  ?


Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it.  Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.

But answer  the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2012, 08:13:17 AM »
Nothing you are changing topic because your intellect does allow you to debate in this thread anymore.

Go start a anti-Obama thread again and leave this discussion to adults

Hey moron - look at the title of the thread you illiterate piece of trash.   

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2012, 08:13:22 AM »
You already do, except MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than if we were to have Single-Payer.

Thread closed great post

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2012, 08:16:20 AM »

Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it.  Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.

But answer  the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???
No. And neither does 99% of the rest of the country. The 1% is her family, and the very rare people that are actually empathetic enough to care about someone they don't know or haven't met.

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2012, 11:12:42 AM »
In North Carolina, student insurance costs rise under Obamacare

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Charlotte, North Carolina (CNN) - President Obama's health care reform law, which expands preventative care and lets young people remain on their parents' health insurance plans well into their 20s, is a central part of his election year pitch to college students.

And perhaps nowhere are students more critical to the president's re-election chances than in North Carolina, a state jam-packed with colleges and universities that were blitzed by Obama campaign organizers in 2008.
 
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But as the president fights to keep the conservative-leaning state in his column this November, education officials here are complicating his campaign message by citing "Obamacare" as a reason for the rising cost of student health insurance plans on campuses from Asheville to Wilmington.
 
In April, Tom Ross, the president of the University of North Carolina system, sent a letter to the university's board of governors announcing that students should brace for a hike in the cost of university-provided insurance plans.
 
Ross explained that at least 64,000 North Carolina college students - roughly a third of those enrolled in the state's 17 public universities - should expect to see "substantial" increases in health coverage costs for the 2012-2013 academic year.
 
"Based on more than three semesters of actual claims experience, as well as the new provisions of the Affordable Care Act, we are facing large increases in premiums for our students," Ross wrote in the letter.
 
In North Carolina, college students are required to have proof of health insurance, either through their university, their parents or a private provider.

Students who purchase insurance plans from North Carolina public universities this fall will be shelling out $709 per semester. That's up significantly from a cost of $460 per semester last year.
 
In an interview with CNN, Ross said the Obama law - the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - is only a partial driver of the rising premiums.

Obamacare regulations requiring enhancements in prescription drug coverage and preventive care account for 12% of the insurance cost increase on campuses here, UNC officials estimate.

Most of the cost increase, however, is due to adjustments in coverage by the university's insurance provider, Chartis, after the company evaluated claims experience over the last year and a half.
 
Ross pointed out that the price tag for UNC-provided insurance coverage is still considerably less than other private plans. He said the university system makes no money off the insurance plan.
 
Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive.

While out-of-pocket expenses for birth control and preventative care are reduced under the new law, expanded coverage and more claims may drive up the cost of insurance.
 
Mary Covington, the executive director of campus health services at UNC-Chapel Hill, told The Daily Tar Heel in August that "nothing is ever free" in the universe of health insurance.
 
"Eventually the cost of (benefits) will somehow be put into the cost of the policy as soon as they figure out how much it costs," Covington was quoted as saying in a recent story about the increasing cost of insurance on North Carolina campuses.
 
Rising premiums are not limited to public universities.
 
Students at Guilford College, a private liberal arts college in Greensboro, were informed in July that the cost of their school-provided health insurance plan was set to rise from $668 per semester in 2011 to $1,179 per semester this fall.
 
"Our student health insurance policy premium has been substantially increased due to changes required by federal regulations issued on March 16, 2012 under the Affordable Care Act," reads the letter, which was distributed Greg Bursavich, the school's Vice President for Finance.
 
The main reason for the price hike, Bursavich wrote, is a requirement that health plans provide a minimum policy benefit of $100,000 instead of the $50,000 minimum previously offered by the Guilford-provided plan.
 
"As the coverage continues to increase, as mandated by the law and the regulations, there is no question the cost is going to go up," Bursavich told CNN in an interview.
 
Ross, the UNC president, said campus insurance costs could potentially drop in 2014 once states begin to implement insurance exchanges and more students tap into their parents' plans.
 
"If there is a state pool or other kind of requirement that people have insurance, then we might not need to offer insurance at all," Ross said. "But I don't think we know yet what the impact will be until the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented."

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2012, 11:26:39 AM »
"Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive. "

Now I have seen it all  ::)
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2012, 11:28:15 AM »
"Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive. "

Now I have seen it all  ::)

But obama promised a decrease remember? 

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2012, 11:30:53 AM »
But obama promised a decrease remember?  

Exactly, but now that its going to cost more, well better care costs more. What the fuck is that? Just change the whole dynamic? As usual more "unintended consequence" of government intervention.

You see that Vince, better care costs more, tuff shit for the scorpion sting victim.
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2012, 04:25:47 PM »
On the original post.  I guess they didn't even tell this lady what the cost of the anti-venom would be.  Her insurance did pick up a big chunk but she still has to pay like 25,000.  If it's not life threatening they should at least tell you what the cost of the shots are going to be and give you the option of just dealing with the pain vs. 25,000 in pain and probably getting dumped by your insurance  :-\

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2012, 04:33:19 PM »
and then this?  WTF?

Anascorp, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is sold by distributors to Arizona hospitals for about $3,780 per dose, the Arizona Republic reported.
 
But a poll done by the newspaper last November found that hospitals in the area charged anywhere from $7,900 to $12,467

she was charged $39, 652 per dose???


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754#ixzz25doWEIxu

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2012, 05:15:24 PM »
and then this?  WTF?

Anascorp, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is sold by distributors to Arizona hospitals for about $3,780 per dose, the Arizona Republic reported.
 
But a poll done by the newspaper last November found that hospitals in the area charged anywhere from $7,900 to $12,467

she was charged $39, 652 per dose???


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754#ixzz25doWEIxu
Derp.
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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2012, 05:23:57 PM »

Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it.  Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.

But answer  the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???

Why the fuck should I care if she lives or dies?

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2012, 05:27:24 PM »
Why the fuck should I care if she lives or dies?
Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.

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Re: Don't think you need Obamacare....check this shit out!!!!
« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2012, 05:30:57 PM »
Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.

Indeed. Every now and then you may feel something for someone but it's usually pretty fleeting in most people.