Obama copied Carters 1980 convention speech

[tbombz]

yes and no. when working on a bachelors,  professors want breadth. when working on masters they want it to be concise. then once you go on to the doctorate you have to be extremely detailed and that requires a huge amount of volume.

[SF1900]

yes and no. when working on a bachelors,  professors want breadth. when working on masters they want it to be concise. then once you go on to the doctorate you have to be extremely detailed and that requires a huge amount of volume.

No, you're wrong. Damn, you're stupid. You can be extremely detailed and still be concise. Being detailed does not always equate to a lot of volume.

You're not even a doctorate program. Shut up.

[tbombz]

yeah. your right. your PHD thesis can be nice and short so long as its accurate. 

[bike nut]

No, you're wrong. Damn, you're stupid. You can be extremely detailed and still be concise. Being detailed does not always equate to a lot of volume.

You're not even a doctorate program. Shut up.

Why do you even try?

His intentions are to appear educated, his actions cause him to come off quite the opposite.  

[SF1900]

yeah. your right. your PHD thesis can be nice and short so long as its accurate.  

This just shows you're wrong.

When you go for your Masters you write a THESIS

When you go for a doctorate you write a DISSERTATION.

There is no such thing as a PhD Thesis, you imbecile.

[dr.chimps]

In academic writing, brevity is always chosen first, especially in the science field.

So true. My Da's a chemist. Heisenberg's PHD was, what 8 pages!?  Anyway, get the fark away from disciplinary, obfuscatory jargon and just make your point.  

[SF1900]

So true. My Da's a chemist. Heisenberg's PHD was, what 8 pages!?  Anyway, get the fark away from disciplinary, obfuscatory jargon and just make your point.  

Not to mention that most articles in peer-reviewed journals on average between 8-20 pages. Not very long when considering how long one can go on and on for.

[SF1900]

Why do you even try?

His intentions are to appear educated, his actions cause him to come off quite the opposite.  

haha, its very sad. He is almost wrong every time!

[dr.chimps]

Not to mention that most articles in peer-reviewed journals on average between 8-20 pages. Not very long when considering how long one can go on and on for.

Well, those 'journals' and their peer reviews, and their high-costs-to-universities will have a sea change in the near future.   

[SF1900]

Well, those 'journals' and their peer reviews, and their high-costs-to-universities will have a sea change in the near future.   

I wonder what Tdongz would write up in order to get published. 

[tbombz]

LOL

you guys are funny

so i googled it before checking your replies, because i knew i was reaching by implying there was a length requirement.

but the fact of the matter is that the average PHD "dissertation"  at least a hundred pages long.


but yall can go ahead and keep arguing about syntax and what not    maybe theres some gramatical or spelling errors in my posts you can pick apart as well.  

[dr.chimps]

LOL

you guys are funny

so i googled it before checking your replies, because i knew i was reaching by implying there was a length requirement.

but the fact of the matter is that the average PHD "dissertation"  at least a hundred pages long.


but yall can go ahead and keep arguing about syntax and what not    maybe theres some gramatical or spelling errors in my posts you can pick apart as well.  

Please. You missed a whole bunch of points: Science: short and to-the-point; Arts: all over the farkin' place. Be the former.   

[SF1900]

LOL

you guys are funny

so i googled it before checking your replies, because i knew i was reaching by implying there was a length requirement.

but the fact of the matter is that the average PHD "dissertation"  at least a hundred pages long.


but yall can go ahead and keep arguing about syntax and what not    maybe theres some gramatical or spelling errors in my posts you can pick apart as well.  

Yes, the PhD dissertation is that long. But that is one paper out of the many you write in a doctoral program. Not every paper you write is 100 pages, you idiot. When writing a paper for a class, professors want brevity. You're talking about one paper. Many people in PhD programs also publish in peer reviewed journals. These papers tend to be maybe 8-15 pages in length.

And often, many of the PhD pages are devoted to graphs, questionnaires, etc. Sometimes graphs and questionnaires, and references can take up 20+ pages. So 100 pages of a dissertation is not 100 pages of writing. So you may have 60-70 pages in writing, and 20-30 including references, graphs, questionnaires.

So in conclusion, when you take the whole thing into consideration, most papers still require brevity, besides the dissertation.

Basically, youre still wrong and stupid.

[tbombz]

there are some gramaticall errors in my posts you two are still missing out on !!!!   

[SF1900]

there are some gramaticall errors in my posts you two are still missing out on !!!!   

You were wrong, just admit it. You're stupid and speak on topics which you have no clue what you're talking about.

In any academic department, especially science departments, they aim for conciseness. And you have to be concise even in a PhD Dissertation. Dissertation has a lot of volume, but what you say, you're supposed to say in concise manner.

[Hulkotron]

Too long, didn't read

I was talking about what I thought Obama might talk about in the speech while walking through costco yesterday. Telling my girlfriend that the pundits were saying it was his time to talk about what he would do in the next four years, my own opinion was that i wanted him to come out with some righteous anger directed at the house republicans. But Obama knew better than I. When he said he was aware of his failings and now knew exactly what Lincoln meant when he said "I have been driven to my knees out of the overwhelming conviction that i have no where else to go".. WOW. This president is as genuine as they come. I do need to admit, that I have up untill this week thought of Obama as a superior politician than Bill Clinton. After seeing Bill's speech on wednesday though, I was fearful that Obama couldnt top it. And in a way, he didnt. and I saw Obama speak today on cspan to an audience in new hampshire, he was trying to explain some of the issues that Clinton explained.. but he just couldnt do it in the obvious, plain terms that Clinton could. That pushed me over the edge to realizing that while Obama may be a better human being than Bill, a man more worthy of the office than Bill, he remains inferior as a politician.

Didn't read this one either

[SF1900]

chimps, google it bro, even science based dissertations are usually at least 100 pages.  


if you want to get into a discussion about how being concise versus being lengthy differ and when its suitable to use each.. that would be cool !  i like talking about such things. for example, being as concise as possible while utilizing key distinctions in order to set parameters and pinpoint ideas to prevent a broad range of interpretations..    these kinds of things i love. when a someone goes off on a related tangent to make an analogy or tell a short story or use some other kind of device to make a distinction or shed light on an idea that in a second does more for you understanding than a lesser person could do for it in 500 pages of talking on the subject.. these things warm my senses

You really are dumb. A dissertation is ONE paper of the myriad of papers and publications you will write in a doctoral program.

Overall, for most papers, they want you to concise and right to the point.

[tbombz]

chimps, google it bro, even science based dissertations are usually at least 100 pages.  


if you want to get into a discussion about how being concise versus being lengthy differ and when its suitable to use each.. that would be cool !  i like talking about such things. for example, being as concise as possible while utilizing key distinctions in order to set parameters and pinpoint ideas to prevent a broad range of interpretations..    these kinds of things i love. when a someone goes off on a related tangent to make an analogy or tell a short story or use some other kind of device to make a distinction or shed light on an idea that in a second does more for you understanding than a lesser person could do for it in 500 pages of talking on the subject.. these things warm my senses

but then we have disctions that are really just completely useless, like this one:

You were wrong, just admit it. You're stupid and speak on topics which you have no clue what you're talking about.

In any academic department, especially science departments, they aim for conciseness. And you have to be concise even in a PhD Dissertation. Dissertation has a lot of volume, but what you say, you're supposed to say in concise manner.

LOL

yes, of course you have to be concise. there is no reason for you to make this point. what,, someone working on a phd would think they should say "the color is blue. we found that blue is the color. upon examination the color found was blue."  LOL

[SF1900]

chimps, google it bro, even science based dissertations are usually at least 100 pages.  


if you want to get into a discussion about how being concise versus being lengthy differ and when its suitable to use each.. that would be cool !  i like talking about such things. for example, being as concise as possible while utilizing key distinctions in order to set parameters and pinpoint ideas to prevent a broad range of interpretations..    these kinds of things i love. when a someone goes off on a related tangent to make an analogy or tell a short story or use some other kind of device to make a distinction or shed light on an idea that in a second does more for you understanding than a lesser person could do for it in 500 pages of talking on the subject.. these things warm my senses

but then we have disctions that are really just completely useless, like this one:

LOL

yes, of course you have to be concise. there is no reason for you to make this point. what,, someone working on a phd would think they should say "the color is blue. we found that blue is the color. upon examination the color found was blue."  LOL

Are you in a doctoral program? No. Then shut up. How can you speak on this when you have no actual experience in a doctoral program, you idiot?

[tbombz]

You really are dumb. A dissertation is ONE paper of the myriad of papers and publications you will write in a doctoral program.

Overall, for most papers, they want you to concise and right to the point.

and even in a dissertation they want you to be concise and to the point!    duh !    if your not concise your just plain stupid   and thats the truth    but in order to address complex topics sufficiently, it takes VOLUME. no matter how concise you are. period.  

[Hulkotron]

A guy in my department in grad school turned in a dissertation proposal that was over 300 pages once.

[SF1900]

chimps, google it bro, even science based dissertations are usually at least 100 pages.  


if you want to get into a discussion about how being concise versus being lengthy differ and when its suitable to use each.. that would be cool !  i like talking about such things. for example, being as concise as possible while utilizing key distinctions in order to set parameters and pinpoint ideas to prevent a broad range of interpretations..    these kinds of things i love. when a someone goes off on a related tangent to make an analogy or tell a short story or use some other kind of device to make a distinction or shed light on an idea that in a second does more for you understanding than a lesser person could do for it in 500 pages of talking on the subject.. these things warm my senses

but then we have disctions that are really just completely useless, like this one:

LOL

yes, of course you have to be concise. there is no reason for you to make this point. what,, someone working on a phd would think they should say "the color is blue. we found that blue is the color. upon examination the color found was blue."  LOL

No, you idiot. That is not what I meant. You've never written a paper in a doctoral program, so you cannot speak on this.

[tbombz]

Are you in a doctoral program? No. Then shut up. How can you speak on this when you have no actual experience in a doctoral program, you idiot?

have you ever played in the NFL? how can you possibly talk about anything related to the NFL if you arent actually in it ? IDIOT !!!!!!

 

.. by the way you better be in a fucking phd program or have already completed one, and not just considering going into one or just happen to know some people who are in one ... or else using this line of reasoning against me is really really really stupid.  

[SF1900]

yes and no. when working on a bachelors,  professors want breadth. when working on masters they want it to be concise. then once you go on to the doctorate you have to be extremely detailed and that requires a huge amount of volume.

This was your initial statement from which the argument began.

Again, you're wrong. Most papers besides the dissertation DO NOT involve HUGE amounts of volume.

[tbombz]

my original statement was in response to chimps who said that if it takes more than a few sentences to say something then you dont really understand what your talking about.

 i said tell that to someone writing their thesis.

then you and chimps said universities always want it short and to the point.


i mentioned that for bachelors studies they want length, masters studies they want short and to the point, and phd is back to length again.    and that fact is common knowledge.  debating with me about the idea of "concise" is just plain stupid. its totally unrelated to the fact of what i was saying and thats why i was making fun of you two and telling you i might have some errors in grammar and spelling as well. 

if you ever want to actually have a conversation of substance let me know, jackass.