My views on Democrats

[Irongrip400]

With the political climate heating up here in America due to the impending election, I thought I'd take the time to post my views(because posting them on the Internet solves everything) and see what people from the other side genuinely think about Republicans. Not trying to stir up hatred, just a little discussion. I'll start by saying that I think the majority of vocal Democrats, such as TA et al, are reasonably intelligent folks. I will say that a majority of the vocal republicans are intelligent as well, ie Coach. Their grasp of the the English language is good, they tend to make valid points, and the conversations are not riddled with too much hate and/or grammatical error. That being said, I believe that there is only one real difference between the two parties, but that one difference leads us down the two separate paths that ultimately divide us further. I tend to lean towards the right, and in doing so have little compassion for the poor as a whole, because I believe they are there because of themselves. This is not to say that there are not anomalies, but on the macro level, most poor are there because of their own poor decisions at some point in their lives. The left, seems to take a different approach, and seems to think that everyone is equal, and should have all of the same opportunities as everyone else, and therefor should be given things, even after numerous other times in their lives they have squandered the opportunity when it has been given.

At what point do you give up on them, the poor?  I realize that everyone should be given the opportunity, but not everyone was meant to be smart or rich. Someone has to dig the ditch, or flip the burger. There is nothing wrong with that either, it's an honest living. I am above average, but I'll never be an NFL player or a Nobel Award winning scientist. It seems to me, that most left wingers don't realize this, and have a more "romantic" view of the world, whereas we should all be a nation of philosopher kings and all live in luxury. I think that everyone should be afforded the right to the pursuit of happiness, not the guarentee of happiness. If you don't work for it, you don't deserve it. I know this is oversimplifying it, but it seems that this view is the beginning of the two separate paths.

[dr.chimps]

Has been 'separate' since Reagan and his industry deregulations, and his lowering of taxes for the wealthiest Americans. It's only now that such continuing policies have made the differences between the rich/poor so pronounced. This isn't anything new, but it is too late to address it.

[Archer77]

Coach is not intelligent.

[Frank Clairmonte]

in your USA vote for president that want to bigger taxes for rich
and smaller for poor.

Thats only way how to boost economy, masses of non rich people are fuel for economy.

there is like  for example 1 rich to 10 000 of non rich.

he cant fucking buy as much goods as 10 000 people.

when 10 000 non rich have more money, they buy more goods. = companies have bigger net income, they can employ more people etc.

NOBODY SHOULD VOTE SOMEONE WHO WANTS BIGGER TAXES FOR MIDDLE CLASS.

[kh300]

in your USA vote for president that want to bigger taxes for rich
and smaller for poor.

Thats only way how to boost economy, masses of non rich people are fuel for economy.

there is like  for example 1 rich to 10 000 of non rich.

he cant fucking buy as much goods as 10 000 people.

when 10 000 non rich have more money, they buy more goods. = companies have bigger net income, they can employ more people etc.

NOBODY SHOULD VOTE SOMEONE WHO WANTS BIGGER TAXES FOR MIDDLE CLASS.

The top 0.1% of americans pay 17% of all taxes. The top 1% paid 37% of taxes..with an average rate of 24% -thats 4x's the rate of an average american.

Even if you raised their tax rate to 30% it would'nt even come close to the federal deficit for 1 year.

So think of a better solution

[whork]

Has been 'separate' since Reagan and his industry deregulations, and his lowering of taxes for the wealthiest Americans. It's only now that such continuing policies have made the differences between the rich/poor so pronounced. This isn't anything new, but it is too late to address it.

+10

[whork]

The top 0.1% of americans pay 17% of all taxes. The top 1% paid 37% of taxes..with an average rate of 24% -thats 4x's the rate of an average american.

Even if you raised their tax rate to 30% it would'nt even come close to the federal deficit for 1 year.

So think of a better solution

They pay 17% of the taxes because their income is that much higher as well.

And the tax breaks for wealthy americans make their income even higher. And yet they bitch about having to pay more taxes

[Coach is Back!]

Coach is not intelligent.

Why vote for Obama again

[Mr. Magoo]

With the political climate heating up here in America due to the impending election, I thought I'd take the time to post my views(because posting them on the Internet solves everything) and see what people from the other side genuinely think about Republicans. Not trying to stir up hatred, just a little discussion. I'll start by saying that I think the majority of vocal Democrats, such as TA et al, are reasonably intelligent folks. I will say that a majority of the vocal republicans are intelligent as well, ie Coach. Their grasp of the the English language is good, they tend to make valid points, and the conversations are not riddled with too much hate and/or grammatical error. That being said, I believe that there is only one real difference between the two parties, but that one difference leads us down the two separate paths that ultimately divide us further. I tend to lean towards the right, and in doing so have little compassion for the poor as a whole, because I believe they are there because of themselves. This is not to say that there are not anomalies, but on the macro level, most poor are there because of their own poor decisions at some point in their lives. The left, seems to take a different approach, and seems to think that everyone is equal, and should have all of the same opportunities as everyone else, and therefor should be given things, even after numerous other times in their lives they have squandered the opportunity when it has been given.

At what point do you give up on them, the poor?  I realize that everyone should be given the opportunity, but not everyone was meant to be smart or rich. Someone has to dig the ditch, or flip the burger. There is nothing wrong with that either, it's an honest living. I am above average, but I'll never be an NFL player or a Nobel Award winning scientist. It seems to me, that most left wingers don't realize this, and have a more "romantic" view of the world, whereas we should all be a nation of philosopher kings and all live in luxury. I think that everyone should be afforded the right to the pursuit of happiness, not the guarentee of happiness. If you don't work for it, you don't deserve it. I know this is oversimplifying it, but it seems that this view is the beginning of the two separate paths.

*sigh*

I don't think you could be convinced to change your views even if I typed a paper on it. So I won't waste the time. But the bold part is where you erred

[Irongrip400]

*sigh*

I don't think you could be convinced to change your views even if I typed a paper on it. So I won't waste the time. But the bold part is where you erred

Cliff's note's, and PM if you think it necessary.  I would like to know someone from that's sides views.  I identify with those I am around, and only go by what I observe, so I don't see anything to the contrary to what I wrote.

[Coach is Back!]

Why vote for Obama again

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[Vince G, CSN MFT]

With the political climate heating up here in America due to the impending election, I thought I'd take the time to post my views(because posting them on the Internet solves everything) and see what people from the other side genuinely think about Republicans. Not trying to stir up hatred, just a little discussion. I'll start by saying that I think the majority of vocal Democrats, such as TA et al, are reasonably intelligent folks. I will say that a majority of the vocal republicans are intelligent as well, ie Coach. Their grasp of the the English language is good, they tend to make valid points, and the conversations are not riddled with too much hate and/or grammatical error. That being said, I believe that there is only one real difference between the two parties, but that one difference leads us down the two separate paths that ultimately divide us further. I tend to lean towards the right, and in doing so have little compassion for the poor as a whole, because I believe they are there because of themselves. This is not to say that there are not anomalies, but on the macro level, most poor are there because of their own poor decisions at some point in their lives. The left, seems to take a different approach, and seems to think that everyone is equal, and should have all of the same opportunities as everyone else, and therefor should be given things, even after numerous other times in their lives they have squandered the opportunity when it has been given.

At what point do you give up on them, the poor?  I realize that everyone should be given the opportunity, but not everyone was meant to be smart or rich. Someone has to dig the ditch, or flip the burger. There is nothing wrong with that either, it's an honest living. I am above average, but I'll never be an NFL player or a Nobel Award winning scientist. It seems to me, that most left wingers don't realize this, and have a more "romantic" view of the world, whereas we should all be a nation of philosopher kings and all live in luxury. I think that everyone should be afforded the right to the pursuit of happiness, not the guarentee of happiness. If you don't work for it, you don't deserve it. I know this is oversimplifying it, but it seems that this view is the beginning of the two separate paths.

You don't give up on anyone but the problem isn't being rich or poor....its a matter of people not being exploited, scammed, or robbed of the money that they've earned.

[Soul Crusher]

Most democrats I know, in NYC are:


Leftist white jews who are guilt ridden and socialists

Racist 94ers looking for welfare, handouts, free stuff and drugs

Government workers leeching off the taxpayer and destroying the state. 

Arabs who hate America 

Gays/LGBT who only care about their little pet issues

Stoners, dopers, drug addicts, base heads, coke fiends, etc.   

[Necrosis]

Most democrats I know, in NYC are:


Leftist white jews who are guilt ridden and socialists

Racist 94ers looking for welfare, handouts, free stuff and drugs

Government workers leeching off the taxpayer and destroying the state. 

Arabs who hate America 

Gays/LGBT who only care about their little pet issues

Stoners, dopers, drug addicts, base heads, coke fiends, etc.   

the sad thing is democratic leadership has blown repub leadership out of the water on almost every measurable statistic. Job creation, deficeit etc...

Republicans are now a laughing stock, it's actually funny to watch. Where do you find a Sarah Palin, michelle bachmann? lol, so fucking absurd.

[Soul Crusher]

the sad thing is democratic leadership has blown repub leadership out of the water on almost every measurable statistic. Job creation, deficeit etc...

Republicans are now a laughing stock, it's actually funny to watch. Where do you find a Sarah Palin, michelle bachmann? lol, so fucking absurd.

Yeah - real job creation alright moron. 

Obama is the first president in recent history to end w less jobs at the end of 4 years than when he started. 

[Straw Man]

Most democrats I know, in NYC are:


Leftist white jews who are guilt ridden and socialists

Racist 94ers looking for welfare, handouts, free stuff and drugs

Government workers leeching off the taxpayer and destroying the state. 

Arabs who hate America 

Gays/LGBT who only care about their little pet issues

Stoners, dopers, drug addicts, base heads, coke fiends, etc.   

gotta hand it to you 333 - no one can pack as much stupidity into so few words as you can

[Soul Crusher]

gotta hand it to you 333 - no one can pack as much stupidity into so few words as you can

That is the democratic base, just look around that convention - freak show. 

Gays, blacks, drug addicts, welfare thugs, govt leeches and parasites, la raza types, etc. 

[Straw Man]

That is the democratic base, just look around that convention - freak show. 

Gays, blacks, drug addicts, welfare thugs, govt leeches and parasites, la raza types, etc. 

I have no doubt that is exactly what you "saw"

I think we've been over this unique effect of your damaged brain at least a few times

[Soul Crusher]

I have no doubt that is exactly what you "saw"

I think we've been over this unique effect of your damaged brain at least a few times

What did you see?

Castro's mother is La Raza, the godless heathens voted down the amendment, the racist 94ers are worshipping Ghettobama like Chaka Zulu, the union goons are melting down for more $$$$, etc. 

[Irongrip400]

You don't give up on anyone but the problem isn't being rich or poor....its a matter of people not being exploited, scammed, or robbed of the money that they've earned.

Really?  You have way more patience than I.  As far as being scammed, what do you mean there?  I know you had a bad run with your family, but has an employer ever "scammed" you?

[doison]

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results.  

The problem is people have decided that unequal results must mean there isn't equal opportunity, so we keep giving better opportunities trying to drag people along the ride of equal results...and any failure of the results to be equal is sold as a failure of opportunity to be equal.

When equal opportunity didn't produce equal results, we tipped the scales in favor of MORE opportunity for those with less results (diversity requirements, income/ethnicity/geographic based scholarships, affirm. Action, etc).
When extra opportunity STILL doesnt produce equal results, we punish success and tax those who achieve. When all that causes is stifled economic growth and fewer "result-attainers" to punish....we have no other option but to force equal results through a centrally planned economy.

[Kazan]

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results.  

The problem is people have decided that unequal results must mean there isn't equal opportunity, so we keep giving better opportunities trying to drag people along the ride of equal results...and any failure of the results to be equal is sold as a failure of opportunity to be equal.

When equal opportunity didn't produce equal results, we tipped the scales in favor of MORE opportunity for those with less results (diversity requirements, income/ethnicity/geographic based scholarships, affirm. Action, etc).
When extra opportunity STILL doesnt produce equal results, we punish success and tax those who achieve. When all that causes is stifled economic growth and fewer "result-attainers" to punish....we have no other option but to force equal results through a centrally planned economy.

[rachaelsnav]

What else do we have to give to the poor? Free health care, free food, free homes, free heat, free education,  oh they have all of that and they are still getting poorer and contributing less and taking more of the money I work for every year.  What other free things should I work for to give to the poor that would fix this problem and let them contribute?

[Kazan]

What else do we have to give to the poor? Free health care, free food, free homes, free heat, free education,  oh they have all of that and they are still getting poorer and contributing less and taking more of the money I work for every year.  What other free things should I work for to give to the poor that would fix this problem and let them contribute?

There is a difference between and hand out and a hand up, unfortunately the government hasn't figured that difference out.

[Fury]

More money for everyone. Fire up the presses, Bernankicide!