Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty JOURNAL

[animal1991]

I have his Heavy Duty I and Heavy Duty Nutrition books, but I can't seem to find his Heavy Duty JOURNAL where he entails his prep for a Mr Olympia contest in the 80's (I think)

Does anyone have it or be able to scan it to a PDF file?

Does anyone have a link to it?

[animal1991]

Anyone?

[Figo]

Sorry, don't have it

Where did you get the Heavy Duty books from?

[SF1900]

I believe Mike Mentzers Heavy Duty Journal is in The National Museum of American History in Washington, DC and is being protected by 6" bullet proof glass.

Sorry, it cannot be accessed.

[dj181]

I believe Mike Mentzers Heavy Duty Journal is in The National Museum of American History in Washington, DC and is being protected by 6" bullet proof glass.

Sorry, it cannot be accessed.

 

actually, it's a damn good read, but i wan't able to find it on-line either, so it looks like i gotta make a trip to dc lol

[SF1900]

actually, it's a damn good read, but i wan't able to find it on-line either, so it looks like i gotta make a trip to dc lol

Plus, you have to get passed the 6" bullet proof glass and security guards.

[animal1991]

If you Google Heavy Duty Nutrition and Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty you may be able to find it. I have those books, but can't seem to find Heavy Duty II.

[drmarkp]

I have his Heavy Duty I and Heavy Duty Nutrition books, but I can't seem to find his Heavy Duty JOURNAL where he entails his prep for a Mr Olympia contest in the 80's (I think)

Does anyone have it or be able to scan it to a PDF file?

Does anyone have a link to it?

I actually have the original copies of all three of Mentzer's original books from 1980... "Heavy duty", "Heavy duty journal" and "Heavy duty nutrition"... As well as the original copies of Steve Davis' "The magic of symmetry" and "Achieving total muscularity" copyrighted 1976... I have the two original Arthur Jones bulletins as well...

[animal1991]

I actually have the original copies of all three of Mentzer's original books from 1980... "Heavy duty", "Heavy duty journal" and "Heavy duty nutrition"... As well as the original copies of Steve Davis' "The magic of symmetry" and "Achieving total muscularity" copyrighted 1976... I have the two original Arthur Jones bulletins as well...

Would it be possible for you to scan the journal and convert it to pdf? A lot of guys would appreciate.

[dj181]

I actually have the original copies of all three of Mentzer's original books from 1980... "Heavy duty", "Heavy duty journal" and "Heavy duty nutrition"... As well as the original copies of Steve Davis' "The magic of symmetry" and "Achieving total muscularity" copyrighted 1976... I have the two original Arthur Jones bulletins as well...

how did Steve Davis advocate to train?

and btw, it should have been titled "The magic of proportion" if he was talking about all bodyparts matching and none being too over-developed in relation to the others

[dj181]

If you Google Heavy Duty Nutrition and Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty you may be able to find it. I have those books, but can't seem to find Heavy Duty II.

 

you should also check the orignal cybergenics routine, as they basically just stole Mentzer's routine from his 1st Heavy Duty book put out in the late 70s and called it thier routine lol

[Rome]

Always liked Mentzer. Reading his articles and reducing the number of sets I did in my late tens was responsible for some of the biggest gains I ever made. As a kid I'd articles advocating 20 sets per body part in the old Muscle and fitness magazines but they negated to inform you that it was over training unless you were juiced.

M.M's articles changed all of that for a lot of people. Didn't agree with EVERYTHING he wrote (like ONLY 1 or two working sets) but he was spot on about a lot of stuff. It's unfortunate that the mental/emotional problems he had later on in life made his ideas invalid to some people. 

[animal1991]

I can't find anything useful about Cybergenics on the web.

Its really frustrating. The HD journal is really no where to be found and I really want it!

[dj181]

I can't find anything useful about Cybergenics on the web.

Its really frustrating. The HD journal is really no where to be found and I really want it!

the cybergenics protocol was basically take a weight that you can get 6 or so reps with and then get those reps while going til failure and then do forced reps with it til you hit negative faliure, and then drop that weight by 50% and do it again til negative failure and then again drop that weight by 50% and do it one more time till negative failure, and then repeat this cycle another 2 or 3 times for 3 to 4 cycles total

IMO if you did this right it would probably kill you, or you'd come damn near close to death

[dj181]

here's the arm routine:

CYCLE 1-AA REPEAT CYCLE 3 TIMES
Barbell Curls at 95% maximum (+) and (-) failure
Barbell Curls at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure
Barbell Curls at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure

CYCLE 2-AA REPEAT CYCLE 2 TIMES
One-arm Concentration Curls at 95% maximum (+) and (-) failure

One-arm Concentration Curls at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure
One-arm Concentration Curls at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure

CYCLE 1-TR REPEAT CYCLE 4 TIMES
Lying Barbell Extensions at 90% maximum (+) and (-) failure
Close Grip Bench Press at same weight as above (+) and (-) failure
Lying Barbell Extensions at 90% maximum (+) and (-) failure
Close Grip Bench Press at same weight as above (+) and (-) failure

CYCLE 2-TR REPEAT CYCLE 2 TIMES
Medium Grip Pressdowns at 90% maximum (+) and (-) failure
Medium Grip Pressdowns at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure
Medium Grip Pressdowns at 50% of the above (+) and (-) failure

[doriancutlerman]

I believe Mike Mentzers Heavy Duty Journal is in The National Museum of American History in Washington, DC and is being protected by 6" bullet proof glass.

Sorry, it cannot be accessed.

Oops.  Wish I'd held onto my copy, then

It was an interesting book.  Intenceman could probably tell you all about it.  The thing that most stood out to me was Mentzer's rest-pause training, which he used to whip himself into shape for his Universe win IIRC.  He'd do about 6 max singles with 10-15 seconds rest in between.  Usually someone would either help him complete the subsequent reps by providing just a little resistance, and/or sometimes he'd drop the weight a little.

As far as a bodypart split goes, all I remember is him doing a 2 on/1 off type thing.  And some stuff in the book was weird; e.g., in the first workout, he'd do something like chest, back and shoulders.  The next day, he might do legs, abs and arms ... but I distinctly remember that he mentioned doing a set of incline press on the leg day   Granted, he was somewhat out of shape at that point, but some of the overlap struck me as odd.

I know people who have tried his style of rest-pausing to great effect.  It never helped me much ... I just seemed to overtrain.  Dante's rest-pausing worked for me and that German P.I.T.T. stuff treats me kindly on occasion, but Mentzer's best stuff was in his '92 Heavy Duty book IMO.

[Mr Nobody]

I got it. Go to his site I think you can buy there that's where I got it.

[dj181]

I got it. Go to his site I think you can buy there that's where I got it.

did you ever try the cybergenics training protocol brother?

[Serenty03]

I might have the pdf, send me a message with email and ill send it to you

[Marty Champions]

wonder if its better than picking up the weight and putting it away

[Mr Nobody]

did you ever try the cybergenics training protocol brother?

Nope useless in my eyes.

[dj181]

Nope useless in my eyes.

how do you figure?

i think that it could work quite well, but not 3 or 4 cycles of it

it's basically drop sets while training to positive and negative failure, and it's brutally hard if you do it right

[Mr Nobody]

how do you figure?

i think that it could work quite well, but not 3 or 4 cycles of it

it's basically drop sets while training to positive and negative failure, and it's brutally hard if you do it right

Leads to over training.

[Marty Champions]

how do you figure?

i think that it could work quite well, but not 3 or 4 cycles of it

it's basically drop sets while training to positive and negative failure, and it's brutally hard if you do it right

its best to avoid the eccentric part of the lift for overtraining

just lift the weight and put it away IMMEDIATLEY dont let the wait down sat it up on a shelf

[The Scott]

I tried his methods and they seemed to work for awhile and then the gains slowed to a halt.   But then I wasn't on drugs like Mike was.  He was pretty honest about his use of what you guys call gear but that doesn't negate the truth of some of his practices.

I like the idea of rest/pause and still employ it occasionally.  Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones gave the regular guy a way to train and have a life outside the gym.