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The Politics Thread
« on: September 21, 2012, 07:01:52 PM »
My fellow Americans, it's almost time again to exorcise democracy.  So who's on the menu?

If you're a first class citizen, you'll probably prefer someone from the Right Wing of Hell who will

- Protect corporate interests by surveilling and eliminating anyone who might possibly oppose them,
- Let companies decide for themselves who deserves medical attention,
- Keep our military-industrial complex strong and provide a continuous supply of meat for the grinder,
- Prop up an Old Boy Network with taxpayer money,
- Will move to cut Social Security,
- Recognize that what benefits the rich is what provides just enough scraps to the poor to keep them where we want them.

OR

you can vote for Mitt Romney.

Good luck out there, America!  And God bless.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2012, 07:24:13 PM »
My fellow Americans, it's almost time again to exorcise democracy.  So who's on the menu?

If you're a first class citizen, you'll probably prefer someone from the Right Wing of Hell who will

- Protect corporate interests by surveilling and eliminating anyone who might possibly oppose them,
- Let companies decide for themselves who deserves medical attention,
- Keep our military-industrial complex strong and provide a continuous supply of meat for the grinder,
- Prop up an Old Boy Network with taxpayer money,
- Will move to cut Social Security,
- Recognize that what benefits the rich is what provides just enough scraps to the poor to keep them where we want them.

OR

you can vote for Mitt Romney.

Good luck out there, America!  And God bless.

This post will most likely be taken the wrong way, meaning most will think its Pro-Mitt Romney. 

 :-\

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 07:25:59 PM »
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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 07:29:45 PM »
Which candidate better values our freedom and individual liberty, and will shrink government?  ???


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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 07:31:50 PM »
Which candidate better values our freedom and individual liberty, and will shrink government?  ???



Hussein has got to go.......period.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 07:33:42 PM »
Which candidate better values our freedom and individual liberty, and will shrink government?  ???



BAHAHAHAHA!  Classic.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 07:35:27 PM »
Which candidate better values our freedom and individual liberty, and will shrink government?  ???


Between Obama and Romney, clearly Obama.  

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 07:37:32 PM »
Between Obama and Romney, clearly Obama.  

Yea...his command of the situation in the middle east right now as well as his handling of the economy proves it..... ::)

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 07:39:43 PM »
BAHAHAHAHA!  Classic.

It's hilarious, because the answer is...................... ........................ ........................ ..............






















Neither  :)

I'm afraid I won't make it to the polls this time around. 

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 07:42:06 PM »
Anyone here find it funny how the media isn't asking more questions about what happened on the 9/11 anniversary?   4 Americans dead in a terrorist attack that the White house only now admits to being?

The President has done nothing....if this were a Republican, holy hell would break loose.

The double standard in the media is sickening.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 07:51:01 PM »
Anyone here find it funny how the media isn't asking more questions about what happened on the 9/11 anniversary?   4 Americans dead in a terrorist attack that the White house only now admits to being?

The President has done nothing....if this were a Republican, holy hell would break loose.

The double standard in the media is sickening.
You are aware we just had two 10 year wars simultaneously which is part of the reason why the economy took a nose dive in the first place.  Now you want more war because 4 people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?  Rest assured there are drones hovering nearby taking care of these situations. 

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 08:00:09 PM »
This post will most likely be taken the wrong way, meaning most will think its Pro-Mitt Romney. 

 :-\

That nice man from The 700 Club?

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 08:12:53 PM »
Vote for Romney and America gets to watch 24/7 news of another massive war somewhere.  Romney just has the look of someone who wants to go to war and make his mark. Enough of the war shit. 

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2012, 08:13:42 PM »
That nice man from The 700 Club?

Through the power of Christ, that nice old man leg presses 1500 pounds.

I seent it

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2012, 08:28:08 PM »
Through the power of Christ, that nice old man leg presses 1500 pounds.

I seent it
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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 08:35:06 PM »
Between Obama and Romney, clearly Obama.  

No...for the most part it's a statistical dead heat. But regardless....



Republicans are getting depressed under an avalanche of polling suggesting that an Obama victory is in the offing. They, in fact, suggest no such thing! Here’s why:

1. All of the polling out there uses some variant of the 2008 election turnout as its model for weighting respondents and this overstates the Democratic vote by a huge margin.

In English, this means that when you do a poll you ask people if they are likely to vote. But any telephone survey always has too few blacks, Latinos, and young people and too many elderly in its sample. That’s because some don’t have landlines or are rarely at home or don’t speak English well enough to be interviewed or don’t have time to talk. Elderly are overstated because they tend to be home and to have time. So you need to increase the weight given to interviews with young people, blacks and Latinos and count those with seniors a bit less.

Normally, this task is not difficult. Over the years, the black, Latino, young, and elderly proportion of the electorate has been fairly constant from election to election, except for a gradual increase in the Hispanic vote. You just need to look back at the last election to weight your polling numbers for this one.

But 2008 was no ordinary election. Blacks, for example, usually cast only 11% of the vote, but, in 2008, they made up 14% of the vote. Latinos increased their share of the vote by 1.5% and college kids almost doubled their vote share. Almost all pollsters are using the 2008 turnout models in weighting their samples. Rasmussen, more accurately, uses a mixture of 2008 and 2004 turnouts in determining his sample. That’s why his data usually is better for Romney.

But polling indicates a widespread lack of enthusiasm among Obama’s core demographic support due to high unemployment, disappointment with his policies and performance, and the lack of novelty in voting for a black candidate now that he has already served as president.

If you adjust virtually any of the published polls to reflect the 2004 vote, not the 2008 vote, they show the race either tied or Romney ahead, a view much closer to reality.

2. Almost all of the published polls show Obama getting less than 50% of the vote and less than 50% job approval. A majority of the voters either support Romney or are undecided in almost every poll.

But the fact is that the undecided vote always goes against the incumbent. In 1980 (the last time an incumbent Democrat was beaten), for example, the Gallup Poll of October 27th had Carter ahead by 45-39. Their survey on November 2nd showed Reagan catching up and leading by three points. In the actual voting, the Republican won by nine. The undecided vote broke sharply — and unanimously — for the challenger.

An undecided voter has really decided not to back the incumbent. He just won’t focus on the race until later in the game.

So, when the published poll shows Obama ahead by, say, 48-45, he’s really probably losing by 52-48!

Add these two factors together and the polls that are out there are all misleading. Any professional pollster (those consultants hired by candidates not by media outlets) would publish two findings for each poll — one using 2004 turnout modeling and the other using 2008 modeling. This would indicate just how dependent on an unusually high turnout of his base the Obama camp really is.

http://www.dickmorris.com/why-the-polls-under-state-romney-vote/

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2012, 08:41:48 PM »
No...for the most part it's a statistical dead heat. But regardless....



Republicans are getting depressed under an avalanche of polling suggesting that an Obama victory is in the offing. They, in fact, suggest no such thing! Here’s why:

1. All of the polling out there uses some variant of the 2008 election turnout as its model for weighting respondents and this overstates the Democratic vote by a huge margin.

In English, this means that when you do a poll you ask people if they are likely to vote. But any telephone survey always has too few blacks, Latinos, and young people and too many elderly in its sample. That’s because some don’t have landlines or are rarely at home or don’t speak English well enough to be interviewed or don’t have time to talk. Elderly are overstated because they tend to be home and to have time. So you need to increase the weight given to interviews with young people, blacks and Latinos and count those with seniors a bit less.

Normally, this task is not difficult. Over the years, the black, Latino, young, and elderly proportion of the electorate has been fairly constant from election to election, except for a gradual increase in the Hispanic vote. You just need to look back at the last election to weight your polling numbers for this one.

But 2008 was no ordinary election. Blacks, for example, usually cast only 11% of the vote, but, in 2008, they made up 14% of the vote. Latinos increased their share of the vote by 1.5% and college kids almost doubled their vote share. Almost all pollsters are using the 2008 turnout models in weighting their samples. Rasmussen, more accurately, uses a mixture of 2008 and 2004 turnouts in determining his sample. That’s why his data usually is better for Romney.

But polling indicates a widespread lack of enthusiasm among Obama’s core demographic support due to high unemployment, disappointment with his policies and performance, and the lack of novelty in voting for a black candidate now that he has already served as president.

If you adjust virtually any of the published polls to reflect the 2004 vote, not the 2008 vote, they show the race either tied or Romney ahead, a view much closer to reality.

2. Almost all of the published polls show Obama getting less than 50% of the vote and less than 50% job approval. A majority of the voters either support Romney or are undecided in almost every poll.

But the fact is that the undecided vote always goes against the incumbent. In 1980 (the last time an incumbent Democrat was beaten), for example, the Gallup Poll of October 27th had Carter ahead by 45-39. Their survey on November 2nd showed Reagan catching up and leading by three points. In the actual voting, the Republican won by nine. The undecided vote broke sharply — and unanimously — for the challenger.

An undecided voter has really decided not to back the incumbent. He just won’t focus on the race until later in the game.

So, when the published poll shows Obama ahead by, say, 48-45, he’s really probably losing by 52-48!

Add these two factors together and the polls that are out there are all misleading. Any professional pollster (those consultants hired by candidates not by media outlets) would publish two findings for each poll — one using 2004 turnout modeling and the other using 2008 modeling. This would indicate just how dependent on an unusually high turnout of his base the Obama camp really is.

http://www.dickmorris.com/why-the-polls-under-state-romney-vote/
Coach,
The best thing that can happen for your party is for Mitt Romney to lose.  This will then create a power vacuum and then the cleansing and reorganization of the Republican party can begin.  Hopefully it will go more the way of Barry Goldwater then Palin etc...

If Mitt Romney were to win (not likely whatsoever based on all available data and models and then doing a meta-analysis) then the Republican party would be put in even more disarray as it fails to define itself.  Let`s face it, Romney on paper is more of a Democrat than anything (with no definite stance on anything) and his running mate is a Corporatist joke.  Romney should have chosen someone like Bill Frist at the very least, but that never would happen.

Either way, its best if Obama wins.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 04:38:01 PM »
The Republicans all but handed the victory to Obama when they got rid of Ron Paul.

The winner of the 2012 Presidential sElection will be whoever the puppet masters already decided on.
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