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« on: September 23, 2012, 08:50:56 PM »
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/city_schools_plan_UoW7ke5l2KRwg43nHzt97H



EXCLUSIVE

The Department of Education is giving morning-after pills and other birth-control drugs to students at 13 high schools, The Post has learned.

School nurse offices stocked with the contraceptives can dispense “Plan B” emergency contraception and other oral or injectable birth control to girls without telling their parents — unless parents opt out after getting a school informational letter about the new program.

CATCH — Connecting Adolescents To Comprehensive Health — is part of a citywide attack against the epidemic of teen pregnancy, which spurs many girls — most of them poor — to drop out of school.
JUST SAY NO: Annette Palacios says that at 15 she’s too young for sex, while mom Pania laments not getting a parental opt-out letter.
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JUST SAY NO: Annette Palacios says that at 15 she’s too young for sex, while mom Pania laments not getting a parental opt-out letter.

While Big Apple high schools have long supplied free condoms to sexually active teens, this is the first time city schools have dispensed hormonal birth control and Plan B, which can prevent pregnancy if taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex.

It might be a nationwide first as well. The National Association of School Nurses could cite no other school district supplying Plan B.

So far, during an unpublicized pilot program in five city schools last year, 567 students received Plan B tablets and 580 students received Reclipsen birth-control pills, the city Department of Health told The Post.

This fall, students can also get Depo-Provera, a birth-control drug injected once every three months, officials said.

Oral and injectable contraceptives require prescriptions, which, in the CATCH program, are written by Health Department doctors.

Plan B is typically sold as an over-the-counter medication, but those under age 18 need a prescription. For the CATCH program, students can tell a trained school nurse they had unprotected sex. The student will then get a test to see if she is already pregnant; if not, the prescription is issued and she can walk out with the pill.

The city expanded CATCH to 14 schools with more than 22,000 students over the past year. Officials dropped one, Seward Park Campus in lower Manhattan, because CATCH was overwhelming the medical office.

Parents at the 14 schools were sent letters informing them about CATCH. Parents may bar their kids from getting pregnancy tests or contraceptives if they sign and return an opt-out statement.

If they do not, schools can confidentially give the contraception without permission.

An average 1 to 2 percent of parents at each school have returned the opt-out sheets, said DOH spokeswoman Alexandra Waldhorn.

At the High School of Fashion Industries in Chelsea, where 85 percent of the students are girls, ninth-graders were told about CATCH at summer orientation. Some welcomed it.

“I don’ t want to be a young kid who gets pregnant and can’t find a job,” one cautious freshman told The Post.

A 14-year-old pal agreed. “I would go to the nurse without telling my parents, and I would ask for help,” she said.

But sophomore Annette Palacios, 15, outside the school with her mom, said parents should give consent in case their children are “allergic” to the drugs.

“Girls shouldn’t be sexually active at that age,” she added.

Her mom, Pania, complained that she got no opt-out letter — and does not want Annette to secretly get Plan B or birth-control pills from the nurse.

“Parents should know if their daughter is pregnant,” she said.

Teacher Rosa Chavez applauded CATCH, saying she had two pregnant students last year. Getting knocked up, she said, “is not cool and not accepted among peers.”

But Chavez worries that giving girls Plan B emergency contraception might encourage careless sex. “If they made a mistake, they could still do something about it,” she said.

About 28 percent of city students entering ninth grade have already had sex, and more than half are sexually active before completing high school, according to city data.

But some school insiders dislike the CATCH program’s lack of parental involvement and fear medical complications.

“We can’t give out a Tylenol without a doctor’ s order,” said a school staffer. “Why should we give out hormonal preparations with far more serious possible side effects, such as blood clots and hypertension?”

The other CATCH schools are: Adlai Stevenson and Grace Dodge in The Bronx; Boys and Girls, Clara Barton, W.H. Maxwell Career and Technical Education, Abraham Lincoln and Paul Robeson in Brooklyn; John Adams, Newcomers, Queens Vocational and Technical, and Voyagers in Queens; and Port Richmond on Staten Island.

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 08:53:01 PM »
This was a FB post from a friend of mind (yes, I really know him) regarding this...


i lost my job teaching abstinence education after obama took office. They believe kids are gonna be loosers so might as well lets give them condoms at school. Comprehensive sex education in school is giving up on our future. Abstinence is means not giving up on our kids no matter what society tells you.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 08:55:30 PM »
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/city_schools_plan_UoW7ke5l2KRwg43nHzt97H



EXCLUSIVE

The Department of Education is giving morning-after pills and other birth-control drugs to students at 13 high schools, The Post has learned.



About 28 percent of city students entering ninth grade have already had sex, and more than half are sexually active before completing high school, according to city data.


Doesn't look dumb at all.

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 08:56:59 PM »
This was a FB post from a friend of mind (yes, I really know him) regarding this...


i lost my job teaching abstinence education after obama took office.

That is because teaching abstinence doesn't work.  Didn't you read the article you posted with the 28% statistic?

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 09:01:16 PM »
Doesn't look dumb at all.

Really, give your kids drugs without your knowledge? I'd go in and physically tear that administration apart brick by fucking brick? Are you retarded?

This is another reason why the left are so mentally challenged. In California a school nurse can't give an aspirin without parental permission but they can physically take a female to an abortion clinic without the parents knowing. Yeah, I know, this is waaaaaay beyond the left common sense.  

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 09:03:20 PM »
That is because teaching abstinence doesn't work.  Didn't you read the article you posted with the 28% statistic?

What part of "the parents don't know" didn't you get? And who's fault is it that abstinence doesn't work?

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 09:06:00 PM »
Really, give your kids drugs without your knowledge? I'd go in and physically tear that administration apart brick by fucking brick? Are you retarded?

This is another reason why the left are so mentally challenged. In California a school nurse can't give an aspirin without parental permission but they can physically take a female to an abortion clinic without the parents knowing. Yeah, I know, this is waaaaaay beyond the left common sense.  

Kids can have doctors reach into your child's vagina and yank a baby out without your knowledge AND way before Obama took office.  So, why are you about to tear the "administration apart brick by fucking brick" when your child can now take a pill PRIOR to having a baby yanked out...without your knowledge?

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2012, 09:09:20 PM »
What part of "the parents don't know" didn't you get?  

I read it loud and clear.  You are unfamiliar with abortion laws, that is evident.

And who's fault is it that abstinence doesn't work?

That depends on your belief as to how human's came to be.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2012, 09:21:47 PM »
Just knowing that someone can even defend this really shows the integrity of that person. Unbelievable.

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2012, 09:36:13 PM »
Just knowing that someone can even defend this really shows the integrity of that person. Unbelievable.

Your ignorance is amusing.  You are blaming Obama for schools giving out the "Plan B" pill because it is done without your knowledge, when doctors were physically reaching into children's vaginas to abort babies - WAY before Obama took office... WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

To quote YOUR ARTICLE, "About 28 percent of city students ENTERING ninth grade have ALREADY HAD SEX, and more than half are sexually active before completing high school, according to city data."  Accordingly, your abstinence teacher is failing his students (realistically, it's the entire idea of abstinence).

My response to the article?  It's about damn time.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 09:46:15 PM »
Your ignorance is amusing.  You are blaming Obama for schools giving out the "Plan B" pill because it is done without your knowledge, when doctors were physically reaching into children's vaginas to abort babies - WAY before Obama took office... WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

To quote YOUR ARTICLE, "About 28 percent of city students entering ninth grade have already had sex, and more than half are sexually active before completing high school, according to city data."  Accordingly, your abstinence teacher is failing her students (realistically, it's the entire idea of abstinence).

My response to the article?  It's about damn time.

No, I'm not blaming Obama. I blame the ACLU. BTW, I don't care if 100% of city students have had sex before 9th grade. It's not the schools decision to give a kid drugs or if they're pregnant, kill an unborn child. IT'S NOT THEIR DECISION. Are you freaking kidding me?

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 09:50:25 PM »
It's not the schools decision to give a kid drugs or if they're pregnant, kill an unborn child. IT'S NOT THEIR DECISION. Are you freaking kidding me?

You are right.  It is NOT the school's decision to give kids drugs.  The school can't look at a kid and know whether they had sex the night before.  It is the CHILD's decision to obtain the "Plan B" pill, same as obtaining an abortion.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 09:56:08 PM »
You are right.  It is NOT the school's decision to give kids drugs.  The school can't look at a kid and know whether they had sex the night before.  It is the CHILD's decision to obtain the "Plan B" pill, same as obtaining an abortion.


No, it's not the CHILD'S decision. It's the decision of the parent. The child is just that...a child but in saying that the CHILD always knows the possible consequences of having sex, it ultimately falls on the parents for not teaching the child that abstinence is the ONLY other alternative. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 10:03:07 PM »
No, it's not the CHILD'S decision. It's the decision of the parent. The child is just that...a child but in saying that the CHILD always knows the possible consequences of having sex, it ultimately falls on the parents for not teaching the child that abstinence is the ONLY other alternative. 

No, according to the legislation...it's the CHILD's decision.  In fact, it makes clear that the decision can be made WITHOUT a parent's consent.  By the way, there is a reason why they do not require parental consent...do you know what that reason is?

With regard to blaming the parents, how is that working?  According to YOUR article, "28 percent of city students ENTERING ninth grade have ALREADY HAD SEX."
   

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 10:09:53 PM »
No, according to the legislation...it's the CHILD's decision.  In fact, it makes clear that the decision can be made WITHOUT a parent's consent.  By the way, there is a reason why they do not require parental consent...do you know what that reason is?

With regard to blaming the parents, how is that working?  According to YOUR article, "28 percent of city students ENTERING ninth grade have ALREADY HAD SEX."
   

Hahaha, I could careless what legislation says, it's not their kid. I'll tell you what. Quit using stats and start using some common sense. The government can't answer and should NOT answer for every parent. We know there are asshole parents that shouldn't be parents in the first place but regardless...it not their kid.

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 11:29:27 PM »
Quit using stats and start using some common sense. The government can't answer and should NOT answer for every parent.

I was merely using YOUR article to have a discussion with you.  However, I am fine with using common sense.

Let's start with the common sense of the United States Supreme Court in Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678 (1977).  Constitutional scholar, Erwin Chemerinsky, clearly explained the pertinent part of the Court's decision in his treatise:
      The Court doubted that prohibiting distribution of contraceptives would deter teenage sexual activity and, in any event, thought it irrational that the state would want an unwanted pregnancy to be the punishment for fornication.


Now, let's forget the stats...common sense should tell you that people were created to reproduce and breed.  Our sex hormones are at their highest during our adolescent years. Accordingly, kids are going to have sex no matter what you tell them (and statistically, they do).  

Since you can't be there to put a condom on your daughter's boyfriend before he penetrates her and since she will be too afraid to come to you (because her actions will have deemed her daddy a failure and horrible parent, according to his words on getbig.com) if a willy slips through....common sense should tell you, that an easily accessible "Plan B" pill from the school nurse...is the most commonsensical answer.  

Common sense tells me that access to "Plan B" pills at school will prevent the horrific physical and mental effects that result from an abortion.  If the government required parental consent for their children to obtain a "Plan B" pill (as you want)...they will get an abortion, which does not require parental consent.    

Common sense tells me that raising a child is very expensive and funding such an endeavor would be quite difficult as a junior high or high school kid.  
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We live in a nation of weak, lazy freeloaders and because libs think they have some sense of entitlement this ASSHOLE may get re-elected >:(

Common sense tells me that your viewpoints conflict  :-*