Poll: Romney crushing Obama among vets in battleground states

[Fury]

President Barack Obama is trying hard to win veterans, but it looks like they’d prefer a new commander in chief.

The Obama campaign had been hoping that veterans and their families — especially among the post-Sept. 11 generation that served in Iraq and Afghanistan — would be part of their path to victory: They’re a high turn-out demographic and concentrated in battleground states, with nearly 1 million each in North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia, and 1.6 million in Florida.

But recent polls make clear that the president’s campaign is losing the battle. Even as Obama leads in Colorado, Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Mitt Romney is up by double digits among veterans in those states. Nationwide, he’s got a commanding 20-percentage-point lead over Obama and has even overtaken the president with younger veterans.

“It’s no contest,” said Maurice Tamman, a Reuters data news editor who has polled on veterans and the presidential campaign.

Obama’s campaign has been trying to improve on a historical Democratic disadvantage on national security and among veterans by touting the killing of Osama bin Laden, ending Iraq combat operations and winding down the war in Afghanistan. They’ve also been talking up the administration’s attention to veterans’ benefits and efforts spearheaded by first lady Michelle Obama, hoping to appeal not just to the troops but to the spouses and other military family members who have coped with long separations and multiple deployments.

Instead, even as Obama has been gaining in the overall polls, several NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls conducted from Sept. 9-11 had Romney well ahead of Obama among veterans in Florida, Ohio and Virginia. And in Colorado, a poll released Sept. 16 by SurveyUSA and the Denver Post found both veterans and military families supporting Romney over Obama 53 percent to 39 percent in a survey that included third-party candidates.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81616.html?hp=t1


Guess the Vets aren't catching on to Obama's dismal attempts to show that he actually cares about them (Protip: he doesn't). 

[Soul Crusher]

You mean skyrocketing the TriCare premiuims is not popular? 

[whork]

Obama might not care but his politics care a lot more for the veterans than his republican counterpart:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/veterans-jobs-bill-blocked-in-the-senate/


Dont you 2 ever get tired of being wrong about everything
1 min on the web is enough to refuse your stupid claims

[Soul Crusher]

Obama Thanks Military for Service by Tripling Tricare Premiums
Yahoo! News ^ | Tue, Feb 28, 2012.. | Patricia Campion
Posted on September 25, 2012 1:27:24 AM EDT by plsjr

COMMENTARY | President Barack Obama began and ended his State of the Union address in January by heaping lavish praise upon the men and women of the military. He used words like "courage, selflessness and teamwork" to describe their ability to bravely accomplish each mission he set for them. The war in Iraq is over. Osama bin Laden is dead. Troops are coming home from Afghanistan. So now -- in a show of thanks -- the president wants to gradually triple their Tricare premiums.

Tricare, according to its website, "is the health care program serving Uniformed Service members, retirees and their families worldwide."

The administration's admitted objective to Congress, as reported by the Washington Free Beacon, is "to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare."

Under the new plan, Tricare annual premiums will increase 30 percent to 78 percent in the first year. After that the plan more than triples the premium payment in five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

[Fury]

Obama Thanks Military for Service by Tripling Tricare Premiums
Yahoo! News ^ | Tue, Feb 28, 2012.. | Patricia Campion
Posted on September 25, 2012 1:27:24 AM EDT by plsjr

COMMENTARY | President Barack Obama began and ended his State of the Union address in January by heaping lavish praise upon the men and women of the military. He used words like "courage, selflessness and teamwork" to describe their ability to bravely accomplish each mission he set for them. The war in Iraq is over. Osama bin Laden is dead. Troops are coming home from Afghanistan. So now -- in a show of thanks -- the president wants to gradually triple their Tricare premiums.

Tricare, according to its website, "is the health care program serving Uniformed Service members, retirees and their families worldwide."

The administration's admitted objective to Congress, as reported by the Washington Free Beacon, is "to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare."

Under the new plan, Tricare annual premiums will increase 30 percent to 78 percent in the first year. After that the plan more than triples the premium payment in five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

It's always funny watching Simple Jack get shut down.

Obama couldn't give two fucks about our troops. They're just "bumps in the road" for the God-King.

[whork]

Then he and Romney has something in common.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/veterans-jobs-bill-blocked-in-the-senate/

[headhuntersix]

I will say it agin...nobody likes this guy. Even if you decided to vote for him in 2008...with current massive cuts that he's going to allow....nobody is going to back him. He lied about not making cuts on the 'back of vets"...yet we have tricare rate hikes and the VA is twice as disfunctional as it used to be. If he were a republican...with all other things being equal...vets would vote for the other guy. You don't vote for the guy who is cutting your job. He pulled some bullshit stunt photo op thing at FT Bliss a few months ago where he came in and gave a speech...on a 4 day weekend. So Joe was out there on a hot tarmac waiting for the messiah...on a day he was supposed to have off. The pics from it tell the story. People seem to like Panetta...they liked Gates...nobody liked Rummey.

[Soul Crusher]

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/25/how-carter-beat-reagan


Good article on how the media is pulling the same garbage it did back then.


Regardless - Obama is a terrorist thug. 

[headhuntersix]

That would have been a good thread of its own...but they did this shit in 2000. They called Florida for Gore waaay early and polls were still open in that state for an hour and a few more in others....is suppressed voter participation, especially in the panhandle which was headed 3 or 4 to one Bush. They're doing that with the polls....Obama is ahead...pulling ahead..waaaay ahead. Its the same as its ever been according to Gallup and  Ras....dead heat going into the debates. That might make a shift...won't be decided right up until the end. Now with the debacle in the Middle East...that should have been it for ol barry but the media covered for him...so it is what it is.

[whork]

That would have been a good thread of its own...but they did this shit in 2000. They called Florida for Gore waaay early and polls were still open in that state for an hour and a few more in others....is suppressed voter participation, especially in the panhandle which was headed 3 or 4 to one Bush. They're doing that with the polls....Obama is ahead...pulling ahead..waaaay ahead. Its the same as its ever been according to Gallup and  Ras....dead heat going into the debates. That might make a shift...won't be decided right up until the end. Now with the debacle in the Middle East...that should have been it for ol barry but the media covered for him...so it is what it is.

I agree. The media calling the winner ahead of time is just stupid and might influence peoples vote

[Kazan]

Then he and Romney has something in common.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/veterans-jobs-bill-blocked-in-the-senate/

It's funny you keep posting this same link to the bill over an over again, have you ever asked a vet what they thought of it? Funny thing is all the other vets I've talked to think it is an election year stunt, and there already enough programs for vets. In essence this is a redundant waste of money.

[whork]

It's funny you keep posting this same link to the bill over an over again, have you ever asked a vet what they thought of it? Funny thing is all the other vets I've talked to think it is an election year stunt, and there already enough programs for vets. In essence this is a redundant waste of money.

You talk to a lot of Vets?

[Kazan]

You talk to a lot of Vets?

And this surprises you?

[Soul Crusher]

And this surprises you?

Of course it does - unless you parrot the fake leftist narratives sent out by the commie politburo at 1600 PA Ave. there is no way you have a valid point of view.   

[Necrosis]

Romney will not win, I would be willing to bet money on it. He has the most unfavorable rating in history currently.

[whork]

And this surprises you?

Not at all.


You are probably right but election stunt or not why did the GOP shut it down?

[Kazan]

Not at all.


You are probably right but election stunt or not why did the GOP shut it down?

Well because it is an election year stunt, what does the GOP gain by stopping a bill with Veterans in big bold letters across the top of it?

[whork]

Well because it is an election year stunt, what does the GOP gain by stopping a bill with Veterans in big bold letters across the top of it?

It would be paid for by healthcare companies.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-20-2012/screwing-private-ryan

And we know who republicans lobby for.

Was the first responders bill also a election stunt?

[Kazan]

It would be paid for by healthcare companies.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-20-2012/screwing-private-ryan

And we know who republicans lobby for.

Was the first responders bill also a election stunt?

The bill would have been paid for in part by fee's on medicare providers and suppliers late on their tax's. How does that translate into it's paid for? As a matter of fact we haven't had an actual budget in over 1000 days = nothing is paid for.

How do you come up with Republicans lobby for insurance companies when Obamacare is insurance for insurance companies for lack of a better term.

Everything that is done in DC beyond their constitutional authority is a stunt to buy votes

[whork]

The bill would have been paid for in part by fee's on medicare providers and suppliers late on their tax's. How does that translate into it's paid for? As a matter of fact we haven't had an actual budget in over 1000 days = nothing is paid for.

How do you come up with Republicans lobby for insurance companies when Obamacare is insurance for insurance companies for lack of a better term.

Everything that is done in DC beyond their constitutional authority is a stunt to buy votes

So why did the GOP shut it down?

[Kazan]

So why did the GOP shut it down?

That question has already been answered

[Necrosis]

That question has already been answered

it made fucking sense, why shut it down, jesus.

[Kazan]

I am just going to answer your posts with a couple quote from Vets

"The Post 9/11 GI bill covers tuition, $1k in books per year, and pays you BAH at the rate of a married E5. For most zip codes that is around $1100-1300/month. You are essentially being paid to go to school.

Combat veterans get 5 years of healthcare from the VA. Disabled vets(to include those that are rated at 10% for tinitus) have free healthcare for the foreseeable future.

Most companies have programs to hire vets, because they either 1) Appreciate veterans and the sacrifices they've made, and/or 2) Realize that they are typically more mature and disciplined than someone else at the same age/ with the same experience.

There are numerous programs and organizations that are set up specifically to help veterans get jobs or assist them in starting a business.

I know some guys are hard up, but I would say veterans as a whole are about 10x better off than the general population.

I am not upset about the legislation getting shot down. I am more irritated that either side would use veteran sympathy as a way to get votes.

As to the part about being miles behind their peers - Maybe initially, but the personal development and maturity that comes from service means that in most cases veterans will most likely outperform their peers and get promoted faster.

Sure, someone who went to school while I was hanging out in Afghanistan is probably going to be my boss when I graduate. In 5 years I will probably be his, and he will still have student loan debt. Plus I got to do cool shit. I win."


"I not only like your post, but think it is spot on.

What I add below, I am certainly not attributing to you -- these are my comments of idiocy.

Some people look at serving in the military as this extreme sacrifice and that the nation should get on it's collective knees and suck the balls of vets. Hey, mil service is an admirable and important effort on the part of those that do so. But we should not forget that LOTS of people make sacrifices -- including civvies.

Anyway, serve your enlistment or commissioning, make it a career or not, but when you're finished -- you shouldn't expect that the nation is in a perpetual puckering mode to kiss your ass. To include spending fortunes to place people in jobs...."

[whork]

I am just going to answer your posts with a couple quote from Vets

"The Post 9/11 GI bill covers tuition, $1k in books per year, and pays you BAH at the rate of a married E5. For most zip codes that is around $1100-1300/month. You are essentially being paid to go to school.

Combat veterans get 5 years of healthcare from the VA. Disabled vets(to include those that are rated at 10% for tinitus) have free healthcare for the foreseeable future.

Most companies have programs to hire vets, because they either 1) Appreciate veterans and the sacrifices they've made, and/or 2) Realize that they are typically more mature and disciplined than someone else at the same age/ with the same experience.

There are numerous programs and organizations that are set up specifically to help veterans get jobs or assist them in starting a business.

I know some guys are hard up, but I would say veterans as a whole are about 10x better off than the general population.

I am not upset about the legislation getting shot down. I am more irritated that either side would use veteran sympathy as a way to get votes.

As to the part about being miles behind their peers - Maybe initially, but the personal development and maturity that comes from service means that in most cases veterans will most likely outperform their peers and get promoted faster.

Sure, someone who went to school while I was hanging out in Afghanistan is probably going to be my boss when I graduate. In 5 years I will probably be his, and he will still have student loan debt. Plus I got to do cool shit. I win."


"I not only like your post, but think it is spot on.

What I add below, I am certainly not attributing to you -- these are my comments of idiocy.

Some people look at serving in the military as this extreme sacrifice and that the nation should get on it's collective knees and suck the balls of vets. Hey, mil service is an admirable and important effort on the part of those that do so. But we should not forget that LOTS of people make sacrifices -- including civvies.

Anyway, serve your enlistment or commissioning, make it a career or not, but when you're finished -- you shouldn't expect that the nation is in a perpetual puckering mode to kiss your ass. To include spending fortunes to place people in jobs...."

I am more irritated that either side would use veteran sympathy as a way to get votes.

So he is more irritated that dem make a proposal that benefit veterans than he is at the GOP for shutting it down.

Does he think the same thing about the first responders bill?

[Kazan]

That's the only thing you got out of that post?