"Obama gave me a free phone, he has my vote"

[Coach is Back!]

Wrong again Coach.

Here is the pertinent part of Obama's infamous 1998 speech:

 “I actually believe in redistribution at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

Looks like Obama's infamous sentence is exactly how the Romney's got their start/shot.  Matter of fact, it is very similar to what Romney's mother's stated during her interview.  Interestingly, Mitt Romney has divorced himself from his father's history.  Very hypocritical and Sad.

Hahaha, are you kidding? I have nothing. I give up. You've just proven how delusional obamaites are. You're the precise reason why the left are not to be trusted. Zilch for integrity.

[240 is Back]

Temporary assistance is fine

How long is "temporary"?

2 months?  2 years?   5 years?

That's where it gets tricky - that gray area where some level of re-distribution of others' wealth is acceptable.

In my opinion, you'd have to cut ALL assistance and welfare and unemployment (leave social security alone - those people did pay that).

Giving anyone ONE DAY of welfare is unacceptable - agree?

[Soul Crusher]

How long is "temporary"?

2 months?  2 years?   5 years?

That's where it gets tricky - that gray area where some level of re-distribution of others' wealth is acceptable.

In my opinion, you'd have to cut ALL assistance and welfare and unemployment (leave social security alone - those people did pay that).

Giving anyone ONE DAY of welfare is unacceptable - agree?

I would put all of them on a farm in the sweltering heat for 8 hours day in the fields until they were motivated to go get gainful employment 

[240 is Back]

I would put all of them on a farm in the sweltering heat for 8 hours day in the fields until they were motivated to go get gainful employment 

I would just tell them "jan 21, 2013, the money is GONE.  Accept it.

I disagree with Coach on this one that "temporary" welfare is okay.  Cause now it's up to some politician to decide 3 months of free money is okay, but 4 months is suddenly evil socialism.

Zero is acceptable.  Same with unemployment.  Right?

[240 is Back]

And I'm being completely serious here - I get mad when people call social security 'entitlement' when people were FORCED to give up THEIR MONEY by the government - it's their own damn money, and the average american pays in over $350k in their lifetime.  

Telling a man "I know you worked 40 years and paid us $400 grand, but you wanting it back is ENTITLEMENT" is crap.

however, welfare, unemployment - the things that they DIDNT pay into - I'm fine with slashing all of that.  But if the govt takes your money, it's yours.

[Roger Bacon]

And I'm being completely serious here - I get mad when people call social security 'entitlement' when people were FORCED to give up THEIR MONEY by the government - it's their own damn money, and the average american pays in over $350k in their lifetime.  

Telling a man "I know you worked 40 years and paid us $400 grand, but you wanting it back is ENTITLEMENT" is crap.

however, welfare, unemployment - the things that they DIDNT pay into - I'm fine with slashing all of that.  But if the govt takes your money, it's yours.

Why do I have to pay in, when I'm not going to get any back? 

On top of that, I'm perfectly capable of saving my own money.

[bike nut]

Wrong again Coach.

Here is the pertinent part of Obama's infamous 1998 speech:

 “I actually believe in redistribution at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

Looks like Obama's infamous sentence is exactly how the Romney's got their start/shot.  Matter of fact, it is very similar to what Romney's mother's stated during her interview.  Interestingly, Mitt Romney has divorced himself from his father's history.  Very hypocritical and Sad.

So "everybody's" got a shot".....

You mean after affirmative action gives the pigmentally challenged a head start?

[SLYY]

So "everybody's" got a shot".....

You mean after affirmative action gives the pigmentally challenged a head start?

If Mitt's father was "pigmentally challenged" and if affirmative action applied to him...then, yes.

[jude2]

Why do I have to pay in, when I'm not going to get any back? 

On top of that, I'm perfectly capable of saving my own money.

You maybe able to save your own, but most Americans these days can't. It is  becoming a sad place.

[SLYY]

Hahaha, are you kidding? I have nothing. I give up. You've just proven how delusional obamaites are. You're the precise reason why the left are not to be trusted. Zilch for integrity.

Interesting, still no substance whatsoever from your response.  Not surprising.

Let's recap:

I ask Bevo:

 

Bevo, what do you think about Willard publicly and privately speaking out against "redistribution"....after his parents were on welfare?

You say:

Why do I have this feeling this is a spin job? Again, this is typical.

I prove you wrong using a very credible video clip as proof:

You think it is a "spin job" because you are uninformed.

Now, instead of giving any substance, you merely insult with no proof:

The entire left is a spin job. You think a 27sec youtube video tells the whole story? You're delusional. You have Obama and his entire admin are lying their asses on a daily basis and suckers like yourself are falling for it. I guess the blatant lies he told in his first term wasn't enough.

I explain why you are incorrect, yet again...using credible quotes:

LOL, your response after being proven wrong because this story was NOT spun was, "the entire left is a spin job..." and "...Obama and his entire admin are lying their asses on a daily basis."  Keep your gym, debating is not your forte.  

In case you wanted to know why you were completely unaware of this video, it's because your only political information comes from Fox News or Rush.  


To conclude, nothing is spun here Coach.  You just heard and saw Mitt's own mother state this about Mitt's father:

“He was on welfare relief for the first years of his life. But this great country gave him opportunities.  His family were poor...he said they lived for a year on nothing but potatoes."

You claim that Obama wants "people" to be dependent on the government indefinitely, using no evidence to back your statement:

Good for them. They got off and got rich which is what left hate. Like I said. Temporary assistance is fine but depending on it for the rest of your life makes that person a complete loser if they're able body. Morlst of these degenerates are perfectly healthy. If you don't think Obama and left don't want people.to be dependant on the government, your high.

I explain why you are incorrect using a new quote and references from my previous posts:

Wrong again Coach.

Here is the pertinent part of Obama's infamous 1998 speech:

 “I actually believe in redistribution at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

Looks like Obama's infamous sentence is exactly how the Romney's got their start/shot.  Matter of fact, it is very similar to what Romney's mother's stated during her interview.  Interestingly, Mitt Romney has divorced himself from his father's history.  Very hypocritical and Sad.

You again resort to insults, using nothing to back up your claims:

Hahaha, are you kidding? I have nothing. I give up. You've just proven how delusional obamaites are. You're the precise reason why the left are not to be trusted. Zilch for integrity.

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Coach, forget about politics and just enjoy your gym.

[Coach is Back!]

I don't think you quite understand. Frankly I think its really beyond.your thinking so I will try again. Like the left media, you hear, read or see something that the left pits.out and you think It's a "gotcha" moment when in reality its nothing you, people like you and.left.media will.TRY to.make something of it all the while trying to divert from the real problem. As I stated, if they were on.welfare temporary, fine, they got on.their feet and were eventually successful. The ones.you see in.the video are the same people Obama is targeting. You don't get that, they live off the system, when.one runs.out they go to another system. My insults weren't really insults. He Muslim, hes grew up Marxist, did you really expect him.to change? These are well documented facts most in his own.words.

[SLYY]

I don't think you quite understand. Frankly I think its really beyond.your thinking so I will try again. Like the left media, you hear, read or see something that the left pits.out and you think It's a "gotcha" moment when in reality its nothing you, people like you and.left.media will.TRY to.make something of it all the while trying to divert from the real problem. As I stated, if they were on.welfare temporary, fine, they got on.their feet and were eventually successful. The ones.you see in.the video are the same people Obama is targeting. You don't get that, they live off the system, when.one runs.out they go to another system. My insults weren't really insults. He Muslim, hes grew up Marxist, did you really expect him.to change? These are well documented facts most in his own.words.

Again, you spew out a lot of text with nothing to back it up.

Back to the discussion WE were having:

1)  Are you saying Romney did NOT publicly and privately state that he was against "Redistribution"?

2)  Are you saying that Romney's father did not collect welfare?

3)  Are you saying that does not make Romney a hypocrite? 

[Soul Crusher]

Nice diversion.   This is about the savage in the video. 

Again, you spew out a lot of text with nothing to back it up.

Back to the discussion WE were having:

1)  Are you saying Romney did NOT publicly and privately state that he was against "Redistribution"?

2)  Are you saying that Romney's father did not collect welfare?

3)  Are you saying that does not make Romney a hypocrite? 

[Bevo]

Shit that's peanuts compared to today and the people "abusing" the welfare system, i know 4 guys at the gym that I go to that are proud of taking advantage of the system.   clearly these indiv. are healthy, mid 30's and able to work, I didn't know until I joked with these guys about being at the gym at the time and they told me I shit you not "thanks to obama, I'm able to not "work" much...

Yes, there are those that lose thier jobs due to misfortunate circumstances but from my experience and my youth at working at banks my college years the majority nowadays just take advantage!

I don't care I'll vote for whatever party just never democrats! I dislike freeloaders and all the illegals coming in doing jack shit and I grew up in California so I'm sick of seeing this and I've been working since I was 15, not once on any govt assist.

[Coach is Back!]

Again, you spew out a lot of text with nothing to back it up.

Back to the discussion WE were having:

1)  Are you saying Romney did NOT publicly and privately state that he was against "Redistribution"?

His definition of Redistribution is socialism meaning he thinks everyone should be equal, you damn well know this.

2)  Are you saying that Romney's father did not collect welfare?

Nope, I'm saying he wasn't permanently dependent on the government

3)  Are you saying that does not make Romney a hypocrite? 

Fuck no it doesn't.

You're entire questioning is spin. Do you work for MSNBC?

[SLYY]

Nice diversion.   This is about the savage in the video.  

Reread my posts so you understand the discussion at hand.  I mean, I laid out our entire discussion in a single message...doesn't get easier than that.  Anyway, to simplify things for you, Bevo claimed Samuel L. Jackson was being hypocritical.  So, I asked Bevo a question about Romney being hypocritical.  Coach decided to join the discussion.  We were discussing an issue that was not on point with the title of the thread.  Pay attention 333, you're a lawyer...remember?

[Coach is Back!]

[SLYY]

You're entire questioning is spin. Do you work for MSNBC?

What's being spun, Coach?  Crickets...as usual.


I guess if you aren't in the "No Spin Zone," you end up very confused.

[Soul Crusher]

Welfare mobs.

[oldtimer1]

And I'm being completely serious here - I get mad when people call social security 'entitlement' when people were FORCED to give up THEIR MONEY by the government - it's their own damn money, and the average american pays in over $350k in their lifetime.  

Telling a man "I know you worked 40 years and paid us $400 grand, but you wanting it back is ENTITLEMENT" is crap.

however, welfare, unemployment - the things that they DIDNT pay into - I'm fine with slashing all of that.  But if the govt takes your money, it's yours.

Where did you get a crazy figure that anyone pays 350K in social security tax? That is an inflated made up figure. Maybe you are confusing federal tax paid. The truth is when you collect social security you get back every penny you paid into it in under two years. 

[Parker]

You mean one of those cheap Kyocera phones that drop calls, gets poor reception, and overall crappy quality?
Hell, that would make someone vote against Obama.

[Tito24]

they really thought they had obama on the phone?

[whork]

Interesting, still no substance whatsoever from your response.  Not surprising.

Let's recap:

I ask Bevo:

 
You say:

I prove you wrong using a very credible video clip as proof:

Now, instead of giving any substance, you merely insult with no proof:

I explain why you are incorrect, yet again...using credible quotes:


You claim that Obama wants "people" to be dependent on the government indefinitely, using no evidence to back your statement:


I explain why you are incorrect using a new quote and references from my previous posts:

You again resort to insults, using nothing to back up your claims:
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Coach, forget about politics and just enjoy your gym.

33... aka shit for brains get his ass owned again

[Soul Crusher]

Yes this is obamas fault. 

[Voice of Doom]

I would put all of them on a farm in the sweltering heat for 8 hours day in the fields until they were motivated to go get gainful employment 

Sounds like the kind of solutions they came up with back in the USSR....interesting.  How do you plan on paying for this program?