look ive been the biggest kai fan on this board and have never once strayed from it, kai has one of my favortie physiques and he is by far my favorite personality. i watch his videos all the time. cant get enough. but the simple fact is that phil looks better . kai beats phil on back width and thickness and bicep size. phil has him beat on chest triceps abs and traps. plus overall aesthetics. kai looks phenomenal, phil looks like superman. even if they were tied, which they arent, you gotta knock out the champ. period. kai doesnt. that being said, i love kai and will continue to do so.