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Author Topic: 2012 Olympia - Why did Phil Beat Kai ? Name the Reasons?  (Read 10415 times)
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« on: September 30, 2012, 01:33:26 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 01:35:28 AM »

Kai outclassed Phil throughout and looked TONS more confident
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 01:39:53 AM »

because Kai is a bunch of body parts thrown together, and his bis look full of oil
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 01:42:12 AM »

Because if it's close, it goes to the reigning Mr Olympia

Kai was the peoples champion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 01:50:28 AM »

because Kai is a bunch of body parts thrown together, and his bis look full of oil
I agree with the bunch of body parts thrown together - his Bi's in FDB are to short which is why Phil dominates this pose.. I think the guys commentating were spot on all the way through in how they were describing the two.. GB's straight away rubbish them and call them names and chuck around the favoritism line but they were spot on and I'm no fan of either Phil or Kai but the two best BBs on that stage finished in the correct positions.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 02:02:33 AM »

His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.

THE BEEF
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 02:11:48 AM »

Because Phil was fighting world war 3 by himself or something like that. wasnt really listening to his speech.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 02:13:11 AM »

His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.

THE BEEF
Yes, because we all know, that if Kai were bald, he'd win for sure.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 02:37:02 AM »


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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 02:43:13 AM »

Post your opinion.
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Kai was in Great Condition and if anything Tightened up slightly bye the Finals, bye HIMSELF (in the finals) he looked Potentially the Winner...Depending on wether Phil had faded from the pre-judging....as it turned it Phil was more or less the same, HOWEVER when the 2 stood side bye side in that final Comparison with just the 2 OF THEM.....it was clear Kai from the FRONT looked Somewhat FLAT in comparison next to Phil....IMO that was the Difference, bye HIMSELF Kai looked the Winner @ the Finals next to Heath Not so.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 02:48:19 AM »

this was really hard to judge between the two pose to pose but Phil has the edge overall imo.  Very close.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 02:53:56 AM »

His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.

THE BEEF
I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction.  If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2012, 02:58:31 AM »

I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction.  If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2012, 03:01:22 AM »

Just watched the post-show interview with Phil on Flex...dude seems PISSED!
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2012, 03:02:52 AM »

One simple word that's will sum up this win and all future Olympias...marketing. we live in a capitalistic world where we sacrifice quality for quantitative results. Make no mistake, this was purely a financial decision that won him the title.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2012, 03:04:17 AM »

I always said Kai should shave his head. A shaven head for some reason makes one look more muscular. In example Ronnie and phil. Both had shaved heads and made them look a tad bigger-IMO. In fact when I shave my head I think I look bigger gives me a illusion of more muscle.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2012, 03:04:55 AM »

If you only go by the 8 mendatory poses it's like 50/50, but if you add how they look relaxed, how they look when they move, you clearly see the difference in term of muscle bellie bteween Kai and Phil and that's why Phil took the advantage IMO.
+ The fact he was the current champ to beat, which mean you must be 1% better than him to take the trophy otherwise he keeps it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2012, 03:06:54 AM »

I agree with the bunch of body parts thrown together - his Bi's in FDB are to short which is why Phil dominates this pose.. I think the guys commentating were spot on all the way through in how they were describing the two.. GB's straight away rubbish them and call them names and chuck around the favoritism line but they were spot on and I'm no fan of either Phil or Kai but the two best BBs on that stage finished in the correct positions.


Phil has no width, less lat width. Kai has bigger arms, bigger legs, squarer chest and better conditioning. Explain how Phil dominates the pose Huh

I can't think of any pose that Phil took, he got dominated.

And lets forget the pretty argument, because Rhoden, Beyeke et cetera destroy phil in terms of aesthetics. That's not judging criteria apparently.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2012, 03:15:55 AM »

I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction.  If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
Well, I believe that if he keeps it due to some spiritual reasoning, then i can agree with him---but, if feedback says that "hey, we want to present a certain image", then it is up to him what he wants to do with it, shave it and "conform", but with no promise that he'll do better, or keep it, and not be "rewarded" .
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2012, 03:19:31 AM »

Kai had the show and he would have won, but when he came out at the night show, he looked flat, that's what cost him the win.
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2012, 03:23:15 AM »

overall it does go to Phil IMO but there are shot where it looks all Kai.  He needs to drop the hair statement.  Even if you're trying to focus only on physique the hair is still a distraction.  He needs to decide what he wants: a fancy pony tail or the Olympia title.  This was close, it's sad to think hair got in the way.
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2012, 03:25:25 AM »

Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2012, 03:26:27 AM »

Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.


Care to explain?
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2012, 03:29:33 AM »

Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.

please, they are lying, and making up reasons...Kai having a bad attitude is like saying that Branch should have won---it's false...
take a look at this vid
http://bcove.me/96zqe56m
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2012, 03:31:34 AM »

Well, I believe that if he keeps it due to some spiritual reasoning, then i can agree with him---but, if feedback says that "hey, we want to present a certain image", then it is up to him what he wants to do with it, shave it and "conform", but with no promise that he'll do better, or keep it, and not be "rewarded" .
it's simple, we're judging physique, condition, and proportion.  If you show up on stage waving a 2.75 foot pony tail waiving all about, there is a realistic chance you're going to end up distracting from the very thing you're trying to present.  If he's that fucking stupid, maybe he doesn't deserve the title.

Show up on stage presenting what you have worked so fucking hard for and don't wave an idiot flag to distract from it IMO.
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