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Author Topic: 2012 Olympia - Phil Heath's aggressive stage presence - good or bad?  (Read 1944 times)
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« on: October 01, 2012, 07:43:41 PM »

As a result of Heath's unsportsmanlike and desperate actions... the IFBB should take away points from any competitor who steps forward beyond a designated line on stage in an effort to gain an advantage over another bodybuilder and to appear wider and larger to the judges and in magazine photographs (in Heath's case due to physical shortcomings such as narrow clavicles).

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 07:46:08 PM »

Did you hear the response on PBW about this?  Chad thought it was a smart idea by Phil.  Dan and the IFBB judge called it "stage presence".  I agree that Kai should have been more aggressive Saturday night, especially when he saw Phil cheating.   
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 07:47:58 PM »

I don't get all this about being 'aggressive on stage'. Never saw such faggotry from Ronnie and others. Can't a guy just pose in peace?  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 07:53:12 PM »

I don't get all this about being 'aggressive on stage'. Never saw such faggotry from Ronnie and others. Can't a guy just pose in peace?  Huh

Dorian used to stomp his leg, Ronnie would let out a loud bellow when hitting shots, they all had their way of claiming the stage.  Yeah, it's a stupid thing, but for Kai, he needs to put Mr. Duckface in his place next time. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 07:54:53 PM »

Dorian used to stomp his leg, Ronnie would let out a loud bellow when hitting shots, they all had their way of claiming the stage.  Yeah, it's a stupid thing, but for Kai, he needs to put Mr. Duckface in his place next time. 
Yea.. that's all good and fun but there was an animosity to Phil... I don't think Ronnie or Dorian ever took it that seriously. I think Phil is a huge narcissist.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 08:05:06 PM »

Yea.. that's all good and fun but there was an animosity to Phil... I don't think Ronnie or Dorian ever took it that seriously. I think Phil is a huge narcissist.

Agreed. Ronnie and Dorian were being competitive. Phil was being a dick to Kai.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 08:18:51 PM »

It's all about intent.  Clearly, Heath was doing what he did because he did not measure up to Kai...period!  Stomping ones feet or bellowing are quite different in that the bodybuilder is engaging in tactics to psych out the opponent or appear dominant and alpha.  
But an attempt to look larger than your opponent by continuously stepping in front of him is not right.  

You can manipulate your body to hide flaws etc, but to blatantly and artificially make yourself appear larger to judges and photographers by standing a foot in front of your opponent is a tactic used by morally bankrupt jackasses like the man in question.  Arnold used mental tactics to win...not cheap moves on stage.

Anyone can create an alter ego and appear as an honorable person, but your actions show your true self.

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 08:21:45 PM »

Dorian used to stomp his leg, Ronnie would let out a loud bellow when hitting shots, they all had their way of claiming the stage.  Yeah, it's a stupid thing, but for Kai, he needs to put Mr. Duckface in his place next time. 
Sounds like Bulls at a farmer's market Prized Bull Contest.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 08:30:08 PM »

It's all about intent.  Clearly, Heath was doing what he did because he did not measure up to Kai...period!  Stomping ones feet or bellowing are quite different in that the bodybuilder is engaging in tactics to psych out the opponent or appear dominant and alpha.  
But an attempt to look larger than your opponent by continuously stepping in front of him is not right.  

You can manipulate your body to hide flaws etc, but to blatantly and artificially make yourself appear larger to judges and photographers by standing a foot in front of your opponent is a tactic used by morally bankrupt jackasses like the man in question.  Arnold used mental tactics to win...not cheap moves on stage.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 08:35:37 PM »

Did you hear the response on PBW about this?  Chad thought it was a smart idea by Phil.  Dan and the IFBB judge called it "stage presence".  I agree that Kai should have been more aggressive Saturday night, especially when he saw Phil cheating.   

of course those guys would like to applause to phil's cheating, probably they would rather phil, kai or any pf those pros to jump off the stage into their seat
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 08:48:18 PM »

 Roll Eyes

Yea, next time , why not just stand on the judges table 3 inches from their faces .... Why fucking even have the line then? Why not pose anywhere the fuck you want???

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 08:50:42 PM »

Roll Eyes

Yea, next time , why not just stand on the judges table 3 inches from their faces .... Why fucking even have the line then? Why not pose anywhere the fuck you want???

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 09:46:18 PM »

This is not Nam, this is bowling, there are rules.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 10:15:34 PM »

have you guys ever been to a bbing show? the smartest guy will take a step forward and pose last it draws the judges eye to the. sure stepping forward may make him look biggerbut how much bigger he's only 10cms closer. don't forget bbing is about illusion you don't have to be the biggest guy on stage to look like the biggest guy.
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 10:17:22 PM »

have you guys ever been to a bbing show? the smartest guy will take a step forward and pose last it draws the judges eye to the. sure stepping forward may make him look biggerbut how much bigger he's only 10cms closer. don't forget bbing is about illusion you don't have to be the biggest guy on stage to look like the biggest guy.
Theres a line for a reason. By the end he was a foot (12") or more further forward, not 10 cm (about 4")
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2012, 10:21:47 PM »

Theres a line for a reason. By the end he was a foot (12") or more further forward, not 10 cm (about 4")

thanks for clarifying. In Europe, a foot is 8"
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 10:22:57 PM »

thanks for clarifying. In Europe, a foot is 8"
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2012, 10:24:01 PM »


Lmao  Grin

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2012, 10:34:27 PM »

You didn't see Fred smalls or another 15th place dude getting away with this.  He's the champ, and the champ gets away with some things.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2012, 10:35:19 PM »

 Grin  I"LL give ya a POSE in the mouth ! then I"ll put the POSES to ya . lol
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2012, 02:26:21 AM »

wow this is some gay @ss sh@t! winners do what they have to do to win, its what sets them apart from the also rans. remember arnie ? if franco is looking too good , he will just give him "the wrong advices"...and he was his best friend!!

psyching your opponent out to get an edge is a big part of any sport/contest...ahh diddums nasty phill stepped over the little white line...baawaaa ! poor little kai!!

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2012, 02:30:58 AM »

It wasn't aggression, that was pure fear.
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 02:35:46 AM »

wow this is some gay @ss sh@t! winners do what they have to do to win, its what sets them apart from the also rans. remember arnie ? if franco is looking too good , he will just give him "the wrong advices"...and he was his best friend!!

psyching your opponent out to get an edge is a big part of any sport/contest...ahh diddums nasty phill stepped over the little white line...baawaaa ! poor little kai!!



Hi Heath. Please dont compare yourself to Arnold.
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 02:42:52 AM »

Hi Heath. Please dont compare yourself to Arnold.

hi arnie! go and get a dictionary and look up the definition of the words "compare" and "example" ...see if you notice any difference!
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