I'm an independent voter...I'm choosing romney

[mogulgangi]

It's took me several weeks..too a middle of the road stance..let both candidates speak..concluded thats Obamas plan is not good..it won't work..

The biggest problem is the baby boomers..the election comes down to who is going to have a better plan for them  and avoid an economic collapse because of debt..too many of them..obamas plan of taxing the rich won't work..there isn't enough rich people in this country to make enough to pay for social security, Medicare, Medicaid..he's then going to tax the big time corporation..then after people's investments..then he will have to go after the middle class..no way around it..it's a bad plan..there is no way we can take the burden without ending middle class tax cuts or rising taxes on them..then add federal reverse debt, devaluing dollar, rising inflation, business owners not wanting to hire more than 25 workers because of the new tax, obamacare...

The best plan is to not tax the rich..end middle class tax loopholes..let the private sector expand and grow..no way around this

[mogulgangi]

Add student loan debt..trade deficit..stimulus money..

Not enough money from rich people...the country's economy will collapse..anyone making over 80000 will get tax hikes because of the money needed

[tonymctones]

Add student loan debt..trade deficit..stimulus money..

Not enough money from rich people...the country's economy will collapse..anyone making over 80000 will get tax hikes because of the money needed

yup, right on with the tax hikes, these idiots who want to raise taxes on the rich cannot tell anyone how their lives will be better if it happens.

For tax hikes to make a difference they limit will need to be drastically lowered for income requirements.

[Shockwave]

yup, right on with the tax hikes, these idiots who want to raise taxes on the rich cannot tell anyone how their lives will be better if it happens.

For tax hikes to make a difference they limit will need to be drastically lowered for income requirements.

Its a perception thing. Im poor and they take all my money! Those rich fuckers don't pay shit! They're evil and wrong! Not let me find every loophole so that I don't have to pay as much in taxes, but if those rich fuckers do it, string them up from the rafters!

[tonymctones]

Its a perception thing. Im poor and they take all my money! Those rich fuckers don't pay shit! They're evil and wrong! Not let me find every loophole so that I don't have to pay as much in taxes, but if those rich fuckers do it, string them up from the rafters!

agreed ppl let their emotions get the better of them and need someone to condemn.

[Hugo Chavez]

Its a perception thing. Im poor and they take all my money! Those rich fuckers don't pay shit! They're evil and wrong! Not let me find every loophole so that I don't have to pay as much in taxes, but if those rich fuckers do it, string them up from the rafters!

It is a perception thing and Romney imo made a huge mistake in that area.  A few weeks back he comes out on 60 minutes talking about cutting back deductions in a major way.  Well let's talk about perception.  The bulk of America right now are happy as shit with any deduction they can get on their taxes.  Mitt just comes out saying he's going to slash deductions across the board without detailed info and it's not hard to guess why within a week he took a hit in the polls. It also looks like major hypocrisy, he's cashed in bigtime from loopholes and deductions and he's going to show up on national TV and tell the people he's going to end that shit?  Yea, in the back of minds was: "easy for you after you've spent years making millions off of the loopholes and deductions."  When I saw that interview, that's when I said, it's over for Romney.  Romney has a lot to learn about perception and it's important no matter who you want to win.

If you're going to make these kind of plans that will obviously turn people off at the start, you best explain it all in detail and push it.  But, they don't even want to talk about it or explain it all?  Yea, fucking stupid campaign managers.  

I guarantee Obama did an OH YEA, jerk-fist-to-the-side when he heard Romney lay out his plan to slash deductions on 60 minutes.

[240 is Back]

When I saw that interview, that's when I said, it's over for Romney. 

Romney has had a dozen of those moments.  But he's still close enough in polls for obama to collapse.

the $ is what matters.  He can completely pwn obama in the debate, get a huge money bump, and eek out the win as swing voters suddenly think its cool to vote romney.   

If he does 'okay' and its a disputed win or a tie... and we keep hearing from fox biz about all these donors bailing... then he's in trouble.

but right now, he's fine.  He can still win this thing.  Obama is down to 74.5% on intrade.  Romney's lost some of that "everything is crashing" momentum we saw from him last week when he kept getting hit with things.   He's been locked away, studying for debates.  He's prepared.

[Hugo Chavez]

Romney has had a dozen of those moments.  But he's still close enough in polls for obama to collapse.

the $ is what matters.  He can completely pwn obama in the debate, get a huge money bump, and eek out the win as swing voters suddenly think its cool to vote romney.  

If he does 'okay' and its a disputed win or a tie... and we keep hearing from fox biz about all these donors bailing... then he's in trouble.

but right now, he's fine.  He can still win this thing.  Obama is down to 74.5% on intrade.  Romney's lost some of that "everything is crashing" momentum we saw from him last week when he kept getting hit with things.   He's been locked away, studying for debates.  He's prepared.

I didn't mean to say that there are not other factors that could bring Romney back into this because there clearly are.  I was only saying what I thought that day when I saw Mitt's 60 minute interview.  And the polls after that show I wasn't the only one to look at it and say, "oh no he didn't" lol

If he wants to go over the top, he needs to give a detailed plan where it translantes to the middle and lower class in an honest way.  If he can't do that, he's taking one hell of a chance.  When you're in a tight race, you don't give the people a reason to be against you.  When they hear the deduction they got last year might be gone next year, all they hear is a reason not to vote for you.

[240 is Back]

i think the only thing working to his advantage is that there are SO MANY dickhead moments... and SO MANY mistakes... that they're only in the news cycle for 2 days and its over. 

Each time we're reminded what a D-bag he is.  But none of them are like "oh no, he did not... he just lost my vote".   Anyone who votes against him does so as a result of gradual dbag weardown.  The swing voter who says "I like his biz experience, but WOW he just seems to be a mess just running a campaign... can I trust him to try to run the country"?

The only good thing here... is that as president, the buffoons running his campaign won't be running the day to day operations.  Cause he has an easy election against a Carter-like failure, and he's lagging like crazy.  Talking about squandering that 2010 momentum.  All he did in the GOP race was underachieve

[whork]

It's took me several weeks..too a middle of the road stance..let both candidates speak..concluded thats Obamas plan is not good..it won't work..

The biggest problem is the baby boomers..the election comes down to who is going to have a better plan for them  and avoid an economic collapse because of debt..too many of them..obamas plan of taxing the rich won't work..there isn't enough rich people in this country to make enough to pay for social security, Medicare, Medicaid..he's then going to tax the big time corporation..then after people's investments..then he will have to go after the middle class..no way around it..it's a bad plan..there is no way we can take the burden without ending middle class tax cuts or rising taxes on them..then add federal reverse debt, devaluing dollar, rising inflation, business owners not wanting to hire more than 25 workers because of the new tax, obamacare...

The best plan is to not tax the rich..end middle class tax loopholes..let the private sector expand and grow..no way around this

Not tax the rich and end middle class tax loopholes

[Hugo Chavez]

i think the only thing working to his advantage is that there are SO MANY dickhead moments... and SO MANY mistakes... that they're only in the news cycle for 2 days and its over. 

Each time we're reminded what a D-bag he is.  But none of them are like "oh no, he did not... he just lost my vote".    Anyone who votes against him does so as a result of gradual dbag weardown.  The swing voter who says "I like his biz experience, but WOW he just seems to be a mess just running a campaign... can I trust him to try to run the country"?

The only good thing here... is that as president, the buffoons running his campaign won't be running the day to day operations.  Cause he has an easy election against a Carter-like failure, and he's lagging like crazy.  Talking about squandering that 2010 momentum.  All he did in the GOP race was underachieve

oh, I think a lot of people decided against Romney right when he came out with his statements about cutting deductions but wasn't willing to give the whole story.  A lot of people can identify with that right away and not in a good way.  And indeed the launch of that info from Romney happened at the same time Obama shot into a more comfortable lead. 

[mogulgangi]

oh, I think a lot of people decided against Romney right when he came out with his statements about cutting deductions but wasn't willing to give the whole story.  A lot of people can identify with that right away and not in a good way.  And indeed the launch of that info from Romney happened at the same time Obama shot into a more comfortable lead. 

Cutting deductions from the middle class is the only way this country will make enough money to not submerge themselves in debt..there is no way around it..the middle class is not only how we will be able finance debt but how this country will prosper..not taxing them or giving further cuts while taxing all their bosses is the receipe for disaster and eventually socialism..France is the ultimate example of how taxing the rich only gets you further debt, trade deficits, and unbalanced economic growth..

[mogulgangi]

Not tax the rich and end middle class tax loopholes

As ugly as it sounds the middle class will be the only way we can fund the enormous debt.middle class is the the only source of funds available large enough..giving them even more tax cuts will cause a huge deficit...taxing the rich will get this country no where and end capitalism that robert Rubin and Lawrence summers built..

[whork]

As ugly as it sounds the middle class will be the only way we can fund the enormous debt.middle class is the the only source of funds available large enough..giving them even more tax cuts will cause a huge deficit...taxing the rich will get this country no where and end capitalism that robert Rubin and Lawrence summers built..

I respect your opinion. Your posts are well thought out.

[240 is Back]

Seems like a lot of people are handing ROmney a burning bag of crap lately.

1) Chris Christie setting the bar for Wed debate incredibly high. 

2) Paul Ryan's "I dont have time to explain the budget cuts and exemption changes."

These actions will put more pressure on Romeny, giving obama/moderator lots of ammo to use against him.   And these 2 men are the frontrunners for 2016.

Coincidence?  lol... makes you wonder.   Everyone in the GOP has been smart and played nice this week.  These 2 just handed Romney 2 big headaches.

[SLYY]

It's took me several weeks..too a middle of the road stance..let both candidates speak..concluded thats Obamas plan is not good..it won't work..

The biggest problem is the baby boomers..the election comes down to who is going to have a better plan for them  and avoid an economic collapse because of debt..too many of them..obamas plan of taxing the rich won't work..there isn't enough rich people in this country to make enough to pay for social security, Medicare, Medicaid..he's then going to tax the big time corporation..then after people's investments..then he will have to go after the middle class..no way around it..it's a bad plan..there is no way we can take the burden without ending middle class tax cuts or rising taxes on them..then add federal reverse debt, devaluing dollar, rising inflation, business owners not wanting to hire more than 25 workers because of the new tax, obamacare...

The best plan is to not tax the rich..end middle class tax loopholes..let the private sector expand and grow..no way around this

It is great that you have finally made a determination regarding your presidential pick for the 2012 election.  However, your Republican friends Bill O'Reilly and Bernie Goldberg have a message for you.

The JULY O'Reilly Factor transcript reads as follows:


O'REILLY: Now, Bernie has written a new column about undecided voters. Now, Bernie and I disagree on this.

I think the constitution gives us a right to be a moron and we have that right and we can exercise it every single day. Bernie says that if you are that stupid that you don't know who you are going to vote for between the two diametrically opposed, President Obama and Governor Romney, you don't deserve to vote. Do i have it correctly.


GOLDBERG: Yes
...
But, I think -- I think, if you haven't made up your mind this late in the game between two candidates who don't agree on anything, please, do the American people, do your country a favor. Don't vote. Don't vote.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/07/31/goldberg-undecided-vote?page=1

[tonymctones]

As ugly as it sounds the middle class will be the only way we can fund the enormous debt.middle class is the the only source of funds available large enough..giving them even more tax cuts will cause a huge deficit...taxing the rich will get this country no where and end capitalism that robert Rubin and Lawrence summers built..

have been saying this for years, govt spending being cut is the only hope for the middle class.

sadly libtard morons dont seem to the gun straring them in the face. They are happy to follow their politicians right off the cliff in lock step all the way.