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Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« on: October 05, 2012, 09:43:34 AM »
http://blog.covestor.com/2012/08/gas-prices-are-the-same-as-they-were-in-1918?aff=O&utm_source=O&utm_medium=outbrain%20&utm_campaign=content

Gas prices are the same as they were in 1918

In real dollars adjusted for inflation, that is.

Here's an interesting statement on Quora from oil company engineer Ryan Carlyle, in response to the question: What could the Obama Administration have done differently to prevent the cost of gasoline from increasing by nearly 2x since January 2009?


Carlyle's answer:
Absolutely nothing.

Presidents don't decide how much gasoline costs. It is a very broad commodity market that is completely priced by supply & demand. Nor do national energy policies have much effect within the timeframe of a single presidential term – it takes years to bring new oil supplies to market or shift usage patterns. For that matter, almost all budgetary and economic changes that happen in the first 1-2 years of a president's term were caused by their predecessor! This causes a lot of misconceptions about presidential effectiveness. (Did you know almost every cent of spending increases under the Obama Administration was enacted under Bush? Neither party wants to talk about that.)

Please don't take this as defending Obama's policy decisions. I was severely disappointed by his handling of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill – the moratorium kicked the Gulf Coast while it was down – but it would be factually incorrect to claim he had anything to do with high gasoline prices.

Looking at the chart of real gas prices below. Which presidents seem to have had an impact on gasoline prices?




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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 09:58:51 AM »
Tell that to the people struggling to fill their cars and put food on their table.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 10:20:55 AM »
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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 10:37:15 AM »
Whether people are struggling or not is not the issue.

Is this in fact a correct statement.

I have always said that the President has nothing to do with the price of gasoline and that it is still far below the rest of the world.

This country has often had a free pass and because people continue to move further and further away, they will have to deal with that consequence.

I don't like it either, but it's a fact.

None of these retarded photos by 33333 changes the fact that when adjusted for inflation, we are paying what we should... If it wasn't worth it, then the capitalist economy would adjust for that and we would stop... right?

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 11:25:18 AM »
So how come Democrats were stating that we were paying TOO MUCH during the Bush years and that the president DID HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH GAS PRICES.


You might be right, but the Dems set the standard. They blamed Bush for high gas prices that are lower than present prices. Now it's Obama's turn.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 11:29:56 AM »
http://blog.covestor.com/2012/08/gas-prices-are-the-same-as-they-were-in-1918?aff=O&utm_source=O&utm_medium=outbrain%20&utm_campaign=content

Gas prices are the same as they were in 1918

In real dollars adjusted for inflation, that is.

Here's an interesting statement on Quora from oil company engineer Ryan Carlyle, in response to the question: What could the Obama Administration have done differently to prevent the cost of gasoline from increasing by nearly 2x since January 2009?


Carlyle's answer:
Absolutely nothing.

Presidents don't decide how much gasoline costs. It is a very broad commodity market that is completely priced by supply & demand. Nor do national energy policies have much effect within the timeframe of a single presidential term – it takes years to bring new oil supplies to market or shift usage patterns. For that matter, almost all budgetary and economic changes that happen in the first 1-2 years of a president's term were caused by their predecessor! This causes a lot of misconceptions about presidential effectiveness. (Did you know almost every cent of spending increases under the Obama Administration was enacted under Bush? Neither party wants to talk about that.)

Please don't take this as defending Obama's policy decisions. I was severely disappointed by his handling of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill – the moratorium kicked the Gulf Coast while it was down – but it would be factually incorrect to claim he had anything to do with high gasoline prices.

Looking at the chart of real gas prices below. Which presidents seem to have had an impact on gasoline prices?




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Cool, I think stuff like this that put things into prospective is really helpful.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 11:36:56 AM »
So how come Democrats were stating that we were paying TOO MUCH during the Bush years and that the president DID HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH GAS PRICES.


You might be right, but the Dems set the standard. They blamed Bush for high gas prices that are lower than present prices. Now it's Obama's turn.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Funny how that works.

It's all Bushes fault until it isn't his fault and the problems that he was personally blamed for aren't solvable problems anymore they are just normal things that we shouldn't bitch about.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 11:49:37 AM »
If gas prices were to ever drop back to Bush era prices or even lower, all of the sudden the Democratic party will stop blaming Bush.

Instead you will hear how the great economic minds at the Democratic party turned everything around. You won't hear about inflation. They will resurrect the argument that the President does have the power to change gas prices.

That is until prices go up again and then they will start blaming the GOP all over again.

Democrats are ridiculous.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 11:50:38 AM »
If gas prices were to ever drop back to Bush era prices or even lower, all of the sudden the Democratic party will stop blaming Bush.

Instead you will hear how the great economic minds at the Democratic party turned everything around. You won't hear about inflation. They will resurrect the argument that the President does have the power to change gas prices.

That is until prices go up again and then they will start blaming the GOP all over again.

Democrats are ridiculous.

Their entire belief system is predicated on stupidity and nonsense 

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 11:56:42 AM »
California Gas Stations Shut as Oil Refiners Ration Supplies
By Lynn Doan and Joshua Falk - Oct 4, 2012 5:48 PM ET .Facebook Share LinkedIn Google +1 988 Comments
 
Valero Energy Corp. (VLO) stopped selling gasoline on the spot, or wholesale, market in Southern California and is allocating deliveries to customers. Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) is also rationing fuel to U.S. West Coast terminal customers. Costco’s outlet in Simi Valley, 40 miles (64 kilometers) northwest of Los Angeles, ran out of regular gasoline yesterday and was selling premium fuel at the price of regular.

California Gas Stations Begin to Shut on Record-High Spot Prices  Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
A gas delivery in San Anselmo, California.

The gasoline shortage “feels like a hurricane to me, but it’s the West Coast,” Jeff Cole, Costco’s vice president of gasoline, said by telephone yesterday. “We’re obviously extremely disheartened that we are unable to do this, and we’re pulling fuel from all corners of California to fix this.”

Spot gasoline in Los Angeles has surged $1 a gallon this week to a record $1.45 a gallon premium versus gasoline futures traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange, data compiled by Bloomberg show. That’s the highest level for the fuel since at least November 2007, when Bloomberg began publishing prices there. On an outright basis, the fuel has jumped to $4.3929 a gallon.

Prices Jump
Gasoline at the pump gained 8.3 cents to $4.315 a gallon in California yesterday, according to AAA.com, 53.1 cents more than the national average of $3.784. In Los Angeles the price was $4.347. Gasoline futures for November delivery on the Nymex rose 14.34 cents to settle at $2.9429 a gallon, after falling yesterday to a 10-week low. Retail price movements tend to lag behind those of futures.

“Product supply in California has tightened, especially in Southern California, due to refinery outages,” Bill Day, a Valero spokesman at the company’s headquarters in San Antonio, said by e-mail.

Exxon’s Torrance refinery is restoring operations after losing power Oct. 1. Phillips 66 (PSX) is scheduled to perform work on gasoline-making units at its two California refineries this month, two people with knowledge of the schedules said. A Chevron Corp. (CVX) pipeline that delivers crude to Northern California refineries was also shut last month due to elevated levels of chloride in the oil.

San Francisco
Spot California-blend gasoline, or Carbob, in San Francisco surged 30 cents to $1.40 a gallon over futures, also the highest level since at least 2007, at 4:03 p.m. New York time.

Low-P, a gasoline station in Calabasas, California, 30 miles west of Los Angeles, stopped selling unleaded gasoline Oct. 2 and ran out of high-octane and medium-octane fuel yesterday, John Ravi, the station’s owner, said by phone yesterday. Ravi said he posted an “Out of Gasoline” sign on each pump and took down the prices outside his shop.

“I can get gas, but it’s going to cost me $4.90 a gallon, and I can’t sell it here for $5,” Ravi said. “If you come here right now, I’ve got some diesel left. That’s all. My market is open, but no gas.”

“We’re going to start shutting pumps Friday,” Sam Krikorian, owner of Quality Auto Repair in North Hollywood, said by phone yesterday. “Gas is costing me almost $4.75 a gallon with taxes. There’s no sense in staying open. The profit margins are so low it’s not worth it.”

’Squeeze is On’
“The squeeze is on, and people are doing desperate things,” Bob van der Valk, an independent petroleum industry analyst in Terry, Montana, said by e-mail yesterday. “The mom- and-pop gas stations are having to close down from either not being able to obtain gasoline from their regular distributor or cannot afford the break-even price of almost $5 per gallon.”

Costco is working on a plan to alert its members as gasoline runs out at the company’s stores “so customers don’t have to guess where to go,” Cole said. The company will sell whatever premium gasoline it has stored for regular gasoline prices wherever supplies run out, he said.

“Costco is a membership warehouse club with a relationship based on trust,” he said. “We’re not delivering what the members asked us to deliver, and that’s not acceptable to us. So we’re doing whatever we can to fix it.”

Short-Term Problem
Van der Valk called the price surge a “a short-term problem.” Wholesale costs should start falling as Exxon’s refinery returns to normal operations and other plants finish maintenance.

The California Independent Oil Marketers Association, a Sacramento-based group that represents wholesale and retail fuel marketers, asked the state yesterday to expedite a waiver that would allow refiners to produce and sell winter-grade fuel, Jay McKeeman, a spokesman for the association, said by telephone yesterday.

“Everybody is concerned about what might happen,” he said. “The real question is: How long is this going to last and what can the state do?”

California’s summer-blend fuel requirements are in effect in Southern California until Oct. 31. The Reid Vapor Pressure, or RVP, limits are lifted in other areas of the state as early as Sept. 30.

The state Air Resources Board and Energy Commission are evaluating fuel supplies and haven’t decided on the waiver, Dave Clegern, a spokesman for the air board in Sacramento, said by e- mail.

‘Losing Money’
The independent gas station owners are typically the first to run out of fuel and shut their pumps when spot prices surge because they often lack long-term contracts to buy from fuel suppliers at set prices, McKeeman said.

Jim Li said yesterday that he may stop selling gasoline at his independent station, Best Auto Care, in San Francisco. He’s charging $4.59 a gallon for the fuel, “and I’m still losing money,” he said.

Wholesale prices are “going up so quick that there’s not even any margin to make any money at all,” he said by telephone.

California-grade, or CARB, diesel in Los Angeles climbed 0.5 cent to 16.5 cents a gallon above heating oil futures on the Nymex. The fuel in San Francisco was unchanged at a premium of 17 cents a gallon versus futures.

Jet fuel in Los Angeles increased 0.37 cent to a premium of 11.25 cents a gallon against futures, the highest since Sept. 19.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-03/california-gas-stations-begin-to-shut-on-record-high-spot-prices.html

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 11:57:28 AM »
Good - screw em all. 

Hope it happens in NYC next and all the drones take it right up the ass. 

California Gas Stations Shut as Oil Refiners Ration Supplies
By Lynn Doan and Joshua Falk - Oct 4, 2012 5:48 PM ET .Facebook Share LinkedIn Google +1 988 Comments
 
Valero Energy Corp. (VLO) stopped selling gasoline on the spot, or wholesale, market in Southern California and is allocating deliveries to customers. Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) is also rationing fuel to U.S. West Coast terminal customers. Costco’s outlet in Simi Valley, 40 miles (64 kilometers) northwest of Los Angeles, ran out of regular gasoline yesterday and was selling premium fuel at the price of regular.

California Gas Stations Begin to Shut on Record-High Spot Prices  Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
A gas delivery in San Anselmo, California.

The gasoline shortage “feels like a hurricane to me, but it’s the West Coast,” Jeff Cole, Costco’s vice president of gasoline, said by telephone yesterday. “We’re obviously extremely disheartened that we are unable to do this, and we’re pulling fuel from all corners of California to fix this.”

Spot gasoline in Los Angeles has surged $1 a gallon this week to a record $1.45 a gallon premium versus gasoline futures traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange, data compiled by Bloomberg show. That’s the highest level for the fuel since at least November 2007, when Bloomberg began publishing prices there. On an outright basis, the fuel has jumped to $4.3929 a gallon.

Prices Jump
Gasoline at the pump gained 8.3 cents to $4.315 a gallon in California yesterday, according to AAA.com, 53.1 cents more than the national average of $3.784. In Los Angeles the price was $4.347. Gasoline futures for November delivery on the Nymex rose 14.34 cents to settle at $2.9429 a gallon, after falling yesterday to a 10-week low. Retail price movements tend to lag behind those of futures.

“Product supply in California has tightened, especially in Southern California, due to refinery outages,” Bill Day, a Valero spokesman at the company’s headquarters in San Antonio, said by e-mail.

Exxon’s Torrance refinery is restoring operations after losing power Oct. 1. Phillips 66 (PSX) is scheduled to perform work on gasoline-making units at its two California refineries this month, two people with knowledge of the schedules said. A Chevron Corp. (CVX) pipeline that delivers crude to Northern California refineries was also shut last month due to elevated levels of chloride in the oil.

San Francisco
Spot California-blend gasoline, or Carbob, in San Francisco surged 30 cents to $1.40 a gallon over futures, also the highest level since at least 2007, at 4:03 p.m. New York time.

Low-P, a gasoline station in Calabasas, California, 30 miles west of Los Angeles, stopped selling unleaded gasoline Oct. 2 and ran out of high-octane and medium-octane fuel yesterday, John Ravi, the station’s owner, said by phone yesterday. Ravi said he posted an “Out of Gasoline” sign on each pump and took down the prices outside his shop.

“I can get gas, but it’s going to cost me $4.90 a gallon, and I can’t sell it here for $5,” Ravi said. “If you come here right now, I’ve got some diesel left. That’s all. My market is open, but no gas.”

“We’re going to start shutting pumps Friday,” Sam Krikorian, owner of Quality Auto Repair in North Hollywood, said by phone yesterday. “Gas is costing me almost $4.75 a gallon with taxes. There’s no sense in staying open. The profit margins are so low it’s not worth it.”

’Squeeze is On’
“The squeeze is on, and people are doing desperate things,” Bob van der Valk, an independent petroleum industry analyst in Terry, Montana, said by e-mail yesterday. “The mom- and-pop gas stations are having to close down from either not being able to obtain gasoline from their regular distributor or cannot afford the break-even price of almost $5 per gallon.”

Costco is working on a plan to alert its members as gasoline runs out at the company’s stores “so customers don’t have to guess where to go,” Cole said. The company will sell whatever premium gasoline it has stored for regular gasoline prices wherever supplies run out, he said.

“Costco is a membership warehouse club with a relationship based on trust,” he said. “We’re not delivering what the members asked us to deliver, and that’s not acceptable to us. So we’re doing whatever we can to fix it.”

Short-Term Problem
Van der Valk called the price surge a “a short-term problem.” Wholesale costs should start falling as Exxon’s refinery returns to normal operations and other plants finish maintenance.

The California Independent Oil Marketers Association, a Sacramento-based group that represents wholesale and retail fuel marketers, asked the state yesterday to expedite a waiver that would allow refiners to produce and sell winter-grade fuel, Jay McKeeman, a spokesman for the association, said by telephone yesterday.

“Everybody is concerned about what might happen,” he said. “The real question is: How long is this going to last and what can the state do?”

California’s summer-blend fuel requirements are in effect in Southern California until Oct. 31. The Reid Vapor Pressure, or RVP, limits are lifted in other areas of the state as early as Sept. 30.

The state Air Resources Board and Energy Commission are evaluating fuel supplies and haven’t decided on the waiver, Dave Clegern, a spokesman for the air board in Sacramento, said by e- mail.

‘Losing Money’
The independent gas station owners are typically the first to run out of fuel and shut their pumps when spot prices surge because they often lack long-term contracts to buy from fuel suppliers at set prices, McKeeman said.

Jim Li said yesterday that he may stop selling gasoline at his independent station, Best Auto Care, in San Francisco. He’s charging $4.59 a gallon for the fuel, “and I’m still losing money,” he said.

Wholesale prices are “going up so quick that there’s not even any margin to make any money at all,” he said by telephone.

California-grade, or CARB, diesel in Los Angeles climbed 0.5 cent to 16.5 cents a gallon above heating oil futures on the Nymex. The fuel in San Francisco was unchanged at a premium of 17 cents a gallon versus futures.

Jet fuel in Los Angeles increased 0.37 cent to a premium of 11.25 cents a gallon against futures, the highest since Sept. 19.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-03/california-gas-stations-begin-to-shut-on-record-high-spot-prices.html

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 11:57:58 AM »
San Diego gas prices continue to skyrocket
Average in SD at $4.52, some areas at about $5Video Photos .

SAN DIEGO - The average price of a gallon of self-serve regular gasoline in San Diego County recorded what is believed to be its largest single- day increase Friday, rising 19.5 cents to $4.523, its highest amount since July 10, 2008.

The average price has risen for seven consecutive days, including 9.2 cents on Thursday and 5.8 cents on Wednesday, and is now 40.7 cents more than one week ago, 36.7 cents higher than one month ago and 70.9 cents greater than one year ago, according to figures from the AAA and Oil Price Information Service.

The record price is $4.63, set on June 19, 2008.

In some areas of the county, customers are seeing prices beyond $5 after a 20 cents spike overnight.

At one gas station in Santee, regular unleaded gas was $5.59 per gallon. Drivers said they are shocked by the spike.

http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-gas-prices-continue-to-skyrocket

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 12:00:07 PM »
Fuckin Obama

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 12:02:01 PM »
Fuckin Obama

Yup - no drilling, no refineries, devalued dollar, EPA out of control, no keystone, etce tc


Obama loves this since his goal is 7-10 dollar a gallon gas

 

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2012, 12:04:52 PM »
Gas prices suddenly skyrocket in California
As wholesale gasoline prices set all-time highs, some filling stations run out of fuel and don't buy more. Others stay open and pass along costs to customers.
By Ronald D. White and Dalina Castellanos, Los Angeles Times
 
October 5, 2012
Skyrocketing gasoline prices caused some local service stations to shut off their pumps Thursday while others shocked customers with overnight price increases of 30 cents or more.

California's fuel industry isn't running out of gasoline — supplies are only 2.5% lower than this time last year — but recent refinery and pipeline mishaps sent wholesale prices to all-time highs this week. As a result, some station owners weren't buying fuel for fear they couldn't sell it. Those who did buy simply kicked prices higher and bet customers would understand.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20121005,0,2326954.story

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 12:08:11 PM »
Fuckin Obama

Replace Obama's name with Bush and that was you and your little democratic friends back in 2007.

Hell, you people are still blaming him today.

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Re: Looks like we are not paying too much for gasoline..
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2012, 12:56:41 PM »
So how come Democrats were stating that we were paying TOO MUCH during the Bush years and that the president DID HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH GAS PRICES.


You might be right, but the Dems set the standard. They blamed Bush for high gas prices that are lower than present prices. Now it's Obama's turn.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I don't care what the democrats did... If someone is a fuckup I certainly don't compare myself to them.

Why would anyone?

Seems counterproductive.

I'm just relaying a piece of factual information that people seem to want to overlook.

I don't give a shit if it was Bush, Obama, or if Romney wins... The point is that according to the CAPITALIST economy... This is the damn price of gas.

Ever notice how people are only capitalists as long as it's in their benefit? The second they think it's going sideways, they run to the socialist mindset.

Idiots.