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« on: October 12, 2012, 07:49:23 AM »

But we did get to find out what makes Paul Ryan "unique".  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 07:51:43 AM »

Biden rendered Layne Norton ununique.

It was like Arnold Schwarzenegger against Jason Genova.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 08:23:28 AM »

Biden rendered Layne Norton ununique.

It was like Arnold Schwarzenegger against Jason Genova.

Your posts are as boring. You'll have to find someone else to troll.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 08:28:09 AM »

Your posts are as boring. You'll have to find someone else to troll.
Interesting considering the entire existence of this thread.  Cheesy

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 08:58:45 AM »

Interesting considering the entire existence of this thread.  Cheesy



Not really. This point was made in a thread about the debate as it was live last night and I was going to post it regardless. How cute that you think your posts actually matter.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 10:20:34 AM »

They spent this week talking about Big Bird...this weekend Obama/Biden will dither on about what a passionate guy Jerkoff Joe is..."he's not a senile coot...he's passionate".   More time wasted...more time spent on topics of no interest or importance to the 14.7% of the workforce that wants a full time job and can't find one
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 08:12:35 PM »

But we did get to find out what makes Paul Ryan "unique".  Roll Eyes
how to fix the economy  Grin LOL

yea, fixing the economy is as simple as cutting taxes, cutting spending, and repealing both obamacare and doddfrank.

once all that happens, shits going to be GOLDEN!!!

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 09:00:37 AM »

how to fix the economy  Grin LOL

yea, fixing the economy is as simple as cutting taxes, cutting spending, and repealing both obamacare and doddfrank.

once all that happens, shits going to be GOLDEN!!!

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That's exactly what will fix the economy. At the very least its a good start. See how easy that was?
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 10:17:08 AM »

cut taxes - could moderately help the economy, but bad for the debt

cut spending -  good for the debt, but depending on which programs are cut could be anywhere from moderately bad for the economy to disastrous for the economy

cut regulations - could moderately help the economy, could also be disastrous for the economy

repeal obamacare - moderately good for economy, horrible for health of the nation
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 01:00:19 PM »

cut taxes - could moderately help the economy, but bad for the debt

cut spending -  good for the debt, but depending on which programs are cut could be anywhere from moderately bad for the economy to disastrous for the economy

cut regulations - could moderately help the economy, could also be disastrous for the economy

repeal obamacare - moderately good for economy, horrible for health of the nation

cutting rates and broadening the base= good for economy and the debt

cutting spending= good for the debt and the economy because it encourages investment in the private sector of the United States and drains less resources

cutting regulations= will help spur energy independence, make it easier for entrepreneurs to get started, allow small business to get moving, encourage risk taking and encourage both domestic and foreign investment in the United States\

Repeal Obamacare= overwhelmingly good for the economy and extremely good for the health of the nation
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 04:16:53 PM »

cutting taxes in no way shape or form is good for the debt.  thats just stupid talk.


cutting spending is bad for the economy both short term (loss of government jobs) and long term (loss of skilled workers and public infrastructure)


cutting regulations can be good for an economy if there are regulations in place that inhibit healthy business practices. thats not really the case. and even if it was the case, obama himself has passed fewer new regulations than his predecessor did and has allowed cities and small business to influence policy to get rid of harmful regulations.

obamacare= repealing it could help spur a little bit of job growth, but it would leave 40 million americans uninsured.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 05:57:53 PM »

cutting taxes in no way shape or form is good for the debt.  thats just stupid talk.


cutting spending is bad for the economy both short term (loss of government jobs) and long term (loss of skilled workers and public infrastructure)


cutting regulations can be good for an economy if there are regulations in place that inhibit healthy business practices. thats not really the case. and even if it was the case, obama himself has passed fewer new regulations than his predecessor did and has allowed cities and small business to influence policy to get rid of harmful regulations.

obamacare= repealing it could help spur a little bit of job growth, but it would leave 40 million americans uninsured.
cutting taxes could be very beneficial and help reduce debt. The problem you have is that ppl avoid taxes, if they avoid taxes then you lose revenue. The corporate tax right now makes it much more beneficial for companies to move their bases and operations over seas. What happens when companies do that dizzle? YOU LOSE THAT REVENUE FROM TAXES!!!

Its a proven fact that when you tax something ppl use that less...so there has to be a middle ground and 25+% of someones income in many cases AFTER THE GOVT HAS ALREADY TAXED THEIR BUSINESS is FUKING ABSURD!!!!

The regulation that obama has passed have been job killers dizzle, you really need to get this through your head.

obamacare increases the cost of business, I understand your bleeding heart mentality but that doesnt justify putting everything on the backs of businesses.

the anger you have against businesses and ppl that own/run them is based in half truths and opinion. When you get some first hand experience you will change your tune.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 06:05:13 PM »

tbombz is still too young to know wtf kind of history we have to draw from.  see the reagan years. 

cutting taxes + cut big gov't spending --> incentives for growth --> generate new taxpayers = debt crisis + stalled economy solved. 

a brand new taxpayer will always generate far more revenue than adding percentages to existing taxpayers.

this is why reagan created 20 million jobs, cut taxes and still doubled revenue to the gov't despite being handed the carter recession.

obama has done the opposite, prolonged the recession and we still have fewer people employed today than when he took office.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 07:10:42 PM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/my-opinion-on-the-governor-romney-tax-plan-2012-10

Marc Cuban is convinced in Romneys'plan 
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 07:44:36 PM »

cutting taxes could be very beneficial and help reduce debt. The problem you have is that ppl avoid taxes, if they avoid taxes then you lose revenue. The corporate tax right now makes it much more beneficial for companies to move their bases and operations over seas. What happens when companies do that dizzle? YOU LOSE THAT REVENUE FROM TAXES!!!

Its a proven fact that when you tax something ppl use that less...so there has to be a middle ground and 25+% of someones income in many cases AFTER THE GOVT HAS ALREADY TAXED THEIR BUSINESS is FUKING ABSURD!!!!

The regulation that obama has passed have been job killers dizzle, you really need to get this through your head.

obamacare increases the cost of business, I understand your bleeding heart mentality but that doesnt justify putting everything on the backs of businesses.

the anger you have against businesses and ppl that own/run them is based in half truths and opinion. When you get some first hand experience you will change your tune.

like i said, cutting taxes can be beneficial in certain circumstances. for example, if your current tax rate is higher than other nations with skilled workers and public infrastructure and then you reduce the tax rate below those other countries... then youll likely have business moving into your nation.    but this requires a significant tax deduction. and the increase in business must be larger enough to compensate for that tax deduction.     i find that scenario extremely unlikely in the united states today, especially since the tax cuts being proposed are not significant enough to cause any real shifts in the economy.  going from 35% to 38% like obama wants to on the top marginal income bracket isnt going to hurt the economy. neither will romneys cuts help the economy. neither are big enough to likely make a difference.

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2012, 07:48:40 PM »

tbombz is still too young to know wtf kind of history we have to draw from.  see the reagan years. 

cutting taxes + cut big gov't spending --> incentives for growth --> generate new taxpayers = debt crisis + stalled economy solved. 

a brand new taxpayer will always generate far more revenue than adding percentages to existing taxpayers.

this is why reagan created 20 million jobs, cut taxes and still doubled revenue to the gov't despite being handed the carter recession.

obama has done the opposite, prolonged the recession and we still have fewer people employed today than when he took office.
first of all you need to understand why reagan's deregulation was so successful. there were anti-competition regulations put in place to protect certain favored big business that were extremely bad for the economy. a perfect example is the airline regulatory agency that did everything in its power to protect pan-am from competition. when reagan got rid of that regulatory agency the airline industry started to boom, prices went down, routes increased, competition grew.   

these days the vast majority of all our government regulations are there to protect the consumer and the economy from irresponsible/criminal business behaviors.   there are very few regulations today that if repealed could boost economic activity without putting the entire economy at risk of another recession. and the ones that could be repealed are not even part of the political discussion today.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2012, 12:55:27 AM »

like i said, cutting taxes can be beneficial in certain circumstances. for example, if your current tax rate is higher than other nations with skilled workers and public infrastructure and then you reduce the tax rate below those other countries... then youll likely have business moving into your nation.    but this requires a significant tax deduction. and the increase in business must be larger enough to compensate for that tax deduction.     i find that scenario extremely unlikely in the united states today, especially since the tax cuts being proposed are not significant enough to cause any real shifts in the economy.  going from 35% to 38% like obama wants to on the top marginal income bracket isnt going to hurt the economy. neither will romneys cuts help the economy. neither are big enough to likely make a difference.
b/c 35% of someones income isnt enough already?

b/c 3% more is going to make a difference at all in the debt?

b/c we all know that the govt will more than increase their spending over the 3% they get right?

quit being such a niave fuking moron, THE GOVT ISNT THE FUKING ANSWER JACK ASS!!!!

If ppl are already trying to avoid paying the 35% do you think they are just going to start giving in at 38%?

goodness fucking gracious you mindless drones are fuking stupid!!!

even if we confiscated all the assets of the ppl obama wanted to raise taxes on we would only get enough to run the govt for 3 months, DO YOU FUKING UNDERSTAND THAT?Huh

quit buying into the propaganda hook line and fucking sinker and start looking at the FACTS!!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2012, 01:01:13 AM »


a billionaire who supports romney's plan?  I would expect that as much as I'd expect a person making $8k a year to support obama.

Romney's plan is very good for Cuban.   Just as Obama's plan is very good for Julio, the 2008 mcdobama drone.

Both people will support the canddiate that is best for THEIR personal goals.  The only right/wrong comes from our vantage point.  I think this point is lost on some people.  Obama's fuucked up policies do benefit SOME people.  Romney's extreme positions do benefit SOME people.  
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2012, 01:02:34 AM »

a billionaire who supports romney's plan?  I would expect that as much as I'd expect a person making $8k a year to support obama.

Romney's plan is very good for Cuban.   Just as Obama's plan is very good for Julio, the 2008 mcdobama drone.

Both people will support the canddiate that is best for THEIR personal goals.  The only right/wrong comes from our vantage point.  I think this point is lost on some people.  Obama's fuucked up policies do benefit SOME people.  Romney's extreme positions do benefit SOME people. 
actually youre wrong, romneys plan isnt good for millionares and obamas plan is slated to cost 700K jobs...

where do you get your facts?
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2012, 01:07:09 AM »

actually youre wrong, romneys plan isnt good for millionares and obamas plan is slated to cost 700K jobs...

where do you get your facts?

romneys plan isnt good for millionares

This is false.

The Tax Policy Center found that under Romney’s proposal, people with $1 million or more in annual cash income will receive an average tax cut of $250,535. Those in the millionaire category will receive an 11.8 percent increase in after-tax income, easily the highest of any income group. Collectively, the tax savings for millionaires would amount to nearly one-third of all the tax benefits that result from Romney’s plan.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/08/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-mitt-romneys-tax-plan-gives-mill/

Go to the link and read the IN DEPTH analysis.  There are links to Romney's site - you can clearly see the millinoaires, and the rest of us, will benefit here.


Romney's plan is actually good for middle class AND good for the millionaires, tony.  
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 01:13:28 AM »

romneys plan isnt good for millionares

This is the oddest statement I've read on getbig this month, to be honest dude.

And the higher you go on the income scale, the bigger the tax cuts become. Under the center’s more restrictive "current policy" method, the top one-tenth of 1 percent of taxpayers -- those earning $2,868,534 a year -- would get an average tax cut of $725,716. That accounts for 19.4 percent of all the tax cuts’ benefits.

There's nothing wrong with this - it will benefit some americans who may create jobs as a result.

I don't understand why you'd say his plan isn't good for millionaires - when that's his sales pitch, that they'll save a ton of $ and will create jobs as a result.
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2012, 01:14:08 AM »

romneys plan isnt good for millionares

This is false.

The Tax Policy Center found that under Romney’s proposal, people with $1 million or more in annual cash income will receive an average tax cut of $250,535. Those in the millionaire category will receive an 11.8 percent increase in after-tax income, easily the highest of any income group. Collectively, the tax savings for millionaires would amount to nearly one-third of all the tax benefits that result from Romney’s plan.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/08/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-mitt-romneys-tax-plan-gives-mill/

Go to the link and read the IN DEPTH analysis.  There are links to Romney's site - you can clearly see the millinoaires, and the rest of us, will benefit here.


Romney's plan is actually good for middle class AND good for the millionaires, tony.  
so you cite the tax policy center, which is a left leaning organization that has to infer shit about romneys plan as proof?
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2012, 01:14:55 AM »

This is the oddest statement I've read on getbig this month, to be honest dude.

And the higher you go on the income scale, the bigger the tax cuts become. Under the center’s more restrictive "current policy" method, the top one-tenth of 1 percent of taxpayers -- those earning $2,868,534 a year -- would get an average tax cut of $725,716. That accounts for 19.4 percent of all the tax cuts’ benefits.

There's nothing wrong with this - it will benefit some americans who may create jobs as a result.

I don't understand why you'd say his plan isn't good for millionaires - when that's his sales pitch, that they'll save a ton of $ and will create jobs as a result.
are you taking into account the loopholes they intend to do away with?

the tax credits?

the tax policy center doesnt....
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2012, 01:18:44 AM »

are you taking into account the loopholes they intend to do away with?

the tax credits?

the tax policy center doesnt....

Dude.

Romney's plan is good for millionaires.  And there's nothing wrong with it.

Obama's plan is no.  Romney's plan is. 
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2012, 04:08:08 AM »

Dude.

Romney's plan is good for millionaires.  And there's nothing wrong with it.

Obama's plan is no.  Romney's plan is. 

Obama does not have a plan.
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