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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2012, 06:44:07 AM »
What reality is this?

Where people fucking argue points not even mentioned in the debate? Obama said fewer, he is correct. Romney's point was stupid anyway, Obama used an analogy which is correct. We have fewer ships, but also fewer horses and bayonets. The implication was that warfare has changed, which Obama elaborated on in the very next sentence.

Everything he said was correct, his analogy correct and his pointing out that Romney is unaware that warfare has evolved correct. Seriously, what kind of a fucking argument is the number of ships? LMAO.  Again bush had fewer ships then obama, so what the fuck was the point of his argument?

that obama is a ship hater? can't be true
that more ships are needed? no they are not
that number of ships somehow relates to military might? no
that the US needs to spend more on the military? you already spend more then all other developed countries.

seriously what are you guys arguing about? Romney made a stupid statement and trying to rip Obama's factually correct retort by making up shit makes you look like a lunatic fringe meat pie.


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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2012, 06:44:13 AM »
You charge on an enemy position with the bajonet ???

You should the fuckers you dont use a bajonet. WTF

How many AQ and Taleban has been killed by bajonets lately?

Where did you specifically ask for statistics only on US military branches?

That is a general question you made.

You lose the argument.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #102 on: October 24, 2012, 06:44:19 AM »
talking to yourself again? 

No i dont have a gimmick unlike you.

Funny how your post look a lot like Tony's and princess's

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2012, 06:47:33 AM »
Where did you specifically ask for statistics only on US military branches?

That is a general question you made.

You lose the argument.

better yet, how is anything about non-us military contingents relevant to this discussion? I think that is the question you have to ask yourself.

I mean I could look at say an african tribe and show they use horses and bayonets, yet that is not relevant. You see you are obfuscating the issue, simply because there is no issue here.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2012, 06:50:01 AM »
Well LT James Adamson is a bad ass for doing a bayonet charge.....bayonets are issued...or used to be issued when everything else fails.....


But the same thing can be said about a fucking E-Tool.  Sorry but wars are NOT DECIDED ON Bayonets anymore ::)
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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2012, 06:52:14 AM »
Well LT James Adamson is a bad ass for doing a bayonet charge.....bayonets are issued...or used to be issued when everything else fails.....


But the same thing can be said about a fucking E-Tool.  Sorry but wars are NOT DECIDED ON Bayonets anymore ::)

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« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2012, 06:53:41 AM »
better yet, how is anything about non-us military contingents relevant to this discussion? I think that is the question you have to ask yourself.

I mean I could look at say an african tribe and show they use horses and bayonets, yet that is not relevant. You see you are obfuscating the issue, simply because there is no issue here.

No. That's a question you need to ask whork.

He made a very general question. He made a question that went beyond the scope of the topic. Period.

He knows it. You know it.

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« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2012, 06:59:55 AM »
What reality is this?

Where people fucking argue points not even mentioned in the debate? Obama said fewer, he is correct. Romney's point was stupid anyway, Obama used an analogy which is correct. We have fewer ships, but also fewer horses and bayonets. The implication was that warfare has changed, which Obama elaborated on in the very next sentence.

Everything he said was correct, his analogy correct and his pointing out that Romney is unaware that warfare has evolved correct. Seriously, what kind of a fucking argument is the number of ships? LMAO.  Again bush had fewer ships then obama, so what the fuck was the point of his argument?

that obama is a ship hater? can't be true
that more ships are needed? no they are not
that number of ships somehow relates to military might? no
that the US needs to spend more on the military? you already spend more then all other developed countries.

seriously what are you guys arguing about? Romney made a stupid statement and trying to rip Obama's factually correct retort by making up shit makes you look like a lunatic fringe meat pie.




Russia announced this year that they intend to spend $137 billion dollars to beef up their navy.  A Congressional study this year deemed China's naval build up an "aggressive act".  You might want to re-think the notion that our navy is of no concern.  Expressing a concern over the state of our Naval capabilites deserves more consideration from the Commander in Chief than a smart assed quip.

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« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2012, 07:03:00 AM »
Where did you specifically ask for statistics only on US military branches?

That is a general question you made.

You lose the argument.

Actually it was made with this thread.

Obama said fewer bajonets were used. Unless you can post a claim that bajonets actually is used more now that we have all kinds of modern weaponry its a fact.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2012, 07:08:25 AM »

Russia announced this year that they intend to spend $137 billion dollars to beef up their navy. 

LOL@   137 billion.   That's 3 months of Iraq war cost.  That's nothing.  We drop more than that, running for the bus!

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« Reply #110 on: October 24, 2012, 07:13:26 AM »
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« Reply #111 on: October 24, 2012, 07:49:54 AM »
Yes, I have to eat crow on this one. His comment is probably accurate. I took it out of context, inferring that he was saying that bayonet's are no longer issued very much in the military.

See... thats why youre a stand-up guy...

My man Shock.

Ill admit that i didnt know they even still Issued them. I called my brother last night ready to have some shit for the board and he said "yeah everyone gets one and we are trained to use them, but no one attaches them any more, those shits are sharp"

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2012, 07:55:27 AM »
Doubt it.

With planes, machineguns etc bajonets is not really that relevant

Not true... WWI was a trench war... Bayonets were used VERY frequently... The Plane was not really a factor in that War... planes were used mostly for spying... Not dropping bombs or attacking targets.

WWII was a different beast... Planes were a HUGE impact then and close quarters hand to hand combat had taken a huge nosedive... hence, why there were "less and less" bayonets.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #113 on: October 24, 2012, 08:03:07 AM »
LOL@   137 billion.   That's 3 months of Iraq war cost.  That's nothing.  We drop more than that, running for the bus!

Actually...they're looking at building about 20 battleships for an already robust navy.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #114 on: October 24, 2012, 08:07:11 AM »

Russia announced this year that they intend to spend $137 billion dollars to beef up their navy.  A Congressional study this year deemed China's naval build up an "aggressive act".  You might want to re-think the notion that our navy is of no concern.  Expressing a concern over the state of our Naval capabilites deserves more consideration from the Commander in Chief than a smart assed quip.

China's "naval build up"?

You mean the build up where they bought an Ancient Soviet Aircraft carrier from the Ukraine, with no propulsion system or guidance or electronics that is too small to launch their MIGs off of or land on?

That build up?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #115 on: October 24, 2012, 09:19:17 AM »
Yes..they have rebuilt a Soviet aircraft carrier...and they have plans to build about 3-6 more.   The Obama administration aoears to be concerned about the build up...which makes Bathhouse Barry's dissmive posture seem all the more odd.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158343/U-S-Navy-shift-60-PER-CENT-fleet-Pacific-China-builds-military.html

You should do a little  research before running your mouth..you'll look like less of an ass that way...

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #116 on: October 24, 2012, 09:55:03 AM »

Russia announced this year that they intend to spend $137 billion dollars to beef up their navy.  A Congressional study this year deemed China's naval build up an "aggressive act".  You might want to re-think the notion that our navy is of no concern.  Expressing a concern over the state of our Naval capabilites deserves more consideration from the Commander in Chief than a smart assed quip.

jesus, the reading comprehension is very poor on this board. I said nothing about the navy being of no concern. Romney also did not express concern over your navy, he made a stupid untrue statement about ships.

You asshats are worried about the size of your military? lol, dude you spend more then China ten times over, stop being an alarmist. Also, try and understand what I wrote before you go on another tangent.

nothing about subs,carriers etc. but ships with bayonets and horses. The fact is that the navy in fact has more ships then 4 years ago, so again Romney's retard statement is defeated from the jump. The quip was needed, because only a stupid person would bring up something as tangential as the number of ships. There is no substance there, is total number of ships, he doesn't say why more ships are needed, nothing, just a stupid statement.

maybe ships are larger now, hence less numbers, maybe subs removed the need for so many ships and so on...

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #117 on: October 24, 2012, 10:23:37 AM »
Yes..they have rebuilt a Soviet aircraft carrier...and they have plans to build about 3-6 more.   The Obama administration aoears to be concerned about the build up...which makes Bathhouse Barry's dissmive posture seem all the more odd.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158343/U-S-Navy-shift-60-PER-CENT-fleet-Pacific-China-builds-military.html

You should do a little  research before running your mouth..you'll look like less of an ass that way...

Yes and we had plans to build satellites in the sky that could shoot down nukes with laser beams.

They would have 3 total.

On July 30, 2011, a senior researcher of the Academy of Military Sciences said China needed at least three aircraft carriers. "If we consider our neighbours, India will have three aircraft carriers by 2014 and Japan will have three carriers by 2014, so I think the number (for China) should not be less than three so we can defend our rights and our maritime interests effectively." General Luo Yuan. In July 2011, a Chinese official announced that two aircraft carriers were being built at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai. On 21 May 2012, Taiwan's intelligence chief Tsai Teh-sheng told the Legislative Yuan that the PLA Navy plans to build two carriers, scheduled to start construction in 2013 and 2015 and launch in 2020 and 2022 respectively.

Let me know when you have something viable to add.

Launching in 2020 and 2022?

So that 8-10 year time frame to build those next 2... We better get worried about China running the oceans.

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How many do we have again? How many are we building? How small is China's navy?

Yeah... You get the idea.



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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #118 on: October 24, 2012, 11:19:18 AM »
Again...neither of you seem to be willing to address the central point.  The landscape is changing...the role and compsition of the navy is a topic that should be debated.  Romney broached the subject and the repsonse from the CIC was a smart assed remark that doesn't even make sense in the context of current events.


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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #119 on: October 24, 2012, 11:36:06 AM »
Again...neither of you seem to be willing to address the central point.  The landscape is changing...the role and compsition of the navy is a topic that should be debated.  Romney broached the subject and the repsonse from the CIC was a smart assed remark that doesn't even make sense in the context of current events.



no romney's comment doesn't make sense, hence the beat down he got. You are in another reality or something, the least of your worries should be the military, jesus. You guys literally have a bigger military then almost the whole world combined.

Romney did not say anything interesting or insightful about the navy he simply went on about the number of ships, the number of ships, lmao.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #120 on: October 24, 2012, 11:43:00 AM »
Not true... WWI was a trench war... Bayonets were used VERY frequently... The Plane was not really a factor in that War... planes were used mostly for spying... Not dropping bombs or attacking targets.

WWII was a different beast... Planes were a HUGE impact then and close quarters hand to hand combat had taken a huge nosedive... hence, why there were "less and less" bayonets.

Yup you are right here

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #121 on: October 24, 2012, 12:15:38 PM »
Five pages on the popularity and use of bayonets in the military today verses previous times. Simply amazing!

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« Reply #122 on: October 24, 2012, 01:07:37 PM »
Five pages on the popularity and use of bayonets in the military today verses previous times. Simply amazing!
Hey now, we Marines love our bayonets.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #123 on: October 24, 2012, 01:14:51 PM »
Hey now, we Marines love our bayonets.

and horses! I remember a picture of my grand dad charging into battle on his trusty stead towards a enemy ship. His horse drowned due to lack of ship though, lucky his bayonet punctured the wooden vessels under belly and killed all aboard.

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Re: Bayonet Co. slices Obama to shreds: "He should educate himself"
« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2012, 05:32:35 AM »
Holes in the Hull: Obama's Battleship Argument Confuses Sneering for Intellectual Confidence.
 National Review ^ | 10/26/2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 8:29:39 AM by SeekAndFind

In the third and final debate, Barack Obama scored huge points with the media, college kids, and die-hard liberals — in other words, his base — when he mocked Mitt Romney’s concern about our historically small Navy.

“But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works,” the president said. “You — you mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”

“And so,” he added, “the question is not a game of Battleship where we’re counting ships.” The question is “what are our capabilities.”

This struck me as an example of how thoroughly liberalism has confused sneering for intellectual confidence. It shouldn’t be surprising, given that comedy shows often substitute for news programs, particularly for younger liberals. That’s probably why the president has been spending more time talking to DJs, entertainment shows, and comedians than to reporters. He desperately needs the support of low-information voters, who’ve replaced the old adage “it’s funny because it’s true” with “if it’s funny, it must be true.”

Obama’s argument — if that’s not too generous a word — is that the Navy in particular, and the military in general, can do so much more because of technological advances.

And that is certainly true.

But it’s also true that there have been huge advances in the technology used to sink our ships and blow up our planes as well. And, to date, no breakthrough innovation has led us to figuring out how to put one ship in two places at once.

There’s another problem. What innovation does he have in mind? Many of our warplanes and nearly all of our major naval vessels are much older than the pilots and sailors flying and sailing them. It’s great to talk up the benefits of innovation, but that argument starts to sputter when you realize we are often relying on the innovation of older generations. For all his talk about the game Battleship, we haven’t built a real battleship in almost 70 years, and the Navy hasn’t had one in its arsenal for decades.

But what I find most interesting about this argument is how selective it is. For instance, defenders of Obama’s Keynesian economic policies are constantly touting the benefits of big, high-tech spending programs because of the “multiplier effect” — the increased economic activity “primed” by government spending.

Indeed, the economists who subscribe to these views tend to tout military spending as particularly good evidence in their favor. Many argue that it was the massive spending during World War II that really pulled us out of the Great Depression (a flawed theory but more credible than the New Deal itself, which mostly prolonged the Great Depression).

And yet, it seems that military spending is the only Keynesian pump-priming this president doesn’t like.

Conversely, his argument that technological advances should deliver increased savings by providing more “bang for the buck” doesn’t seem to enter his thinking anywhere else. In the private sector he finds improved efficiencies to be a burden — all of those ATM machines taking away good bank-teller jobs.

And where are the technological efficiencies making government more effective for less money? Surely the breakthroughs in productivity, information management, and telecommunications would afford us a huge opportunity to cut away some of the obsolescence in the non-defense parts of our government?

But no. Obama is constantly yearning to hire more government workers. The private sector, he said not long ago, was doing fine. The place we needed more jobs was in the federal, state, and local bureaucracies.

Indeed, in his new “plan” he promises — again — to hire 100,000 new teachers. He is constantly assuring us that our “crumbling” schools with leaky roofs are robbing children of their education. The honest truth: You can teach kids in a school with a leaky roof pretty easily. A submarine with a leaky roof? That’s a problem.

The amazing thing is that we’ve been increasing federal government spending on education at a blistering pace for decades. Where is the return on the investment? Where are the improved capabilities and efficiencies from investments in technology?

The military, which thrives on precisely the civic virtue Obama insists is on full display in public education, has a lot to show for the investments of the past Obama would like to curtail. Where’s a similar return in the non-defense sector? And has Obama ever bothered to ask that question?

— Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.