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« on: October 23, 2012, 12:38:29 PM »
Milwaukee spa shooting: Wife told court shooter terrorized her

MILWAUKEE - A Wisconsin man terrorized his wife for years, threatening to throw acid on her face, dousing her car with tomato juice and slashing her vehicle's tires before finally going to the spa where she worked, opening fire and killing her and two others.

The shooting spree stunned the middle- to upper-class Milwaukee suburb where it happened, but court records show the conflict between Radcliffe Haughton and his wife had been escalating for years.

The 45-year-old former car salesman ultimately shot seven women at the spa before turning the gun on himself. Three remained hospitalized Monday.

Haughton, of Brown Deer, was charged with disorderly conduct last year after police officers responding to a 911 call saw Haughton point what appeared to be a gun at his wife, Zina, from a window at their home. Officers took cover, and a 90-minute standoff ensued.

Brown Deer police said Monday the standoff ended peacefully, and they were never able to confirm a gun was involved because Zina Haughton wouldn't allow them into the couple's home. The charge against Radcliffe Haughton was dropped when a police officer failed to appear in court.

According to court records, Zina Haughton told police when she called 911 that her husband had thrown her clothes and bedding into the yard and poured tomato juice on her car.

Ernest J. Polk, who lives across the street from the Haughtons' home, said they were friendly to him but he saw signs of turmoil.

"There was always confrontation over there, but I never thought it would come to this," he said. "... It was mostly verbal. I didn't see anything physical."

Zina Haughton told police last year that her husband didn't own any guns, but she was concerned enough about her safety to get a police escort when she went to the house earlier this month to pick up a few items.

Zina Haughton wrote in restraining order request filed Oct. 8 that her husband had threatened to kill her if she ever left him. He also, at various times, threatened to throw acid on her face and burn her and her family with gas.

"His threats terrorize my every waking moment," Zina Haughton wrote.

She said when she drove to work after picking up items from her home, she found her husband waiting for her in a car outside the spa. He leaned out of the vehicle and, in front of her and two co-workers, slashed her vehicle's tires. He was later arrested.

Radcliffe Haughton appeared in court Thursday, when a judge issued a four-year restraining order and told him to turn in all firearms to a county sheriff. It's not clear whether he turned in any weapons.

He bought the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun used in the shootings on Saturday, Brown Deer police said in a statement.

People who buy handguns from gun dealers must wait 48 hours after they have cleared a background check from the Department of Justice to pick up their firearm. There is no such waiting period or background check required in Wisconsin for people who purchase handguns from private individuals, which police say Radcliffe Haughton did.

Two Democratic state lawmakers said Monday that they'll re-introduce a bill designed to ensure that perpetrators of domestic violence comply with judges' orders to surrender their weapons.

The shooting spree also killed Cary Robuck, a 35-year-old nail technician from Racine, and Maelyn Lind, 38, of Oconomowoc.

Shawn Scheffler, who had lived with Robuck for six years, described her as a "bright personality" who loved her part-time job at the spa.

"She was my world," Scheffler said. "That was the woman I was going to spend the rest of my life with, and she was taken from me just like that."

Kathy Sieja, a spokeswoman at the hospital where the survivors were taken, said one woman was released from the hospital Monday afternoon and the others were in satisfactory condition.

The shooting spree that happened about 11 a.m. Sunday triggered chaos in the commercial area around the spa. Believing Haughton had fled, police began a massive, six-hour search that locked down a nearby mall, country club and hospital.

The police chief in Brookfield, where the spa is located, said later that a fire Haughton set in the building, the discovery of a propane tank initially believed to be an improvised explosive device and the layout of the facility, with many small rooms and locked areas, all slowed officers' search and delayed the discovery of the gunman's body.

It was the second mass shooting in Wisconsin this year. Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran and white supremacist, killed six people and injured three others before fatally shooting himself Aug. 5 at a Sikh temple south of Milwaukee.

Sunday's shooting took place less than a mile from where seven people were killed and four wounded on March 12, 2005, when a gunman opened fire at a Living Church of God service held at a hotel.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/radcliffe-haughton-milwaukee-spa-shooting-wife-told-court-shooter-terrorized-her#ixzz2A9WKVLjA



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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 12:41:43 PM »
Princess L in the unlikely event you want someone restrained let me know and I'll batter them on your behalf

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 12:45:46 PM »
I'm thinking about concealed carry.  Not sure if it's a good idea (for me), but maybe a tazer/stun gun  ???

Some idiots out there are blaming the shooting (or at least insinuating) this happened because of our new concealed carry law.  ::)
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 12:51:37 PM »
Restraining orders generally work against sane individuals, people who have something to lose, or face embarrassment.
A person is going to do what they want to do. In the event a person violates an order, charges can be issued or the person can be arrested. In many states, violating a restraining order (a civil order) is a criminal offense.

Now, this woman was suffering from abuse for yrs. Her husband had the mentality that he was going to what he wanted to do, and no piece of paper could tell him otherwise.
Her getting the order in the first place was a good sign, because she finally stood up to him. Many times the women who need it are too scared to get them, the ones who want to abuse the system are the main ones who get them.

I think she should have gotten a gun---better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 01:29:21 PM »
Restraining orders only increase the MANS RAGE and likelihood of them attacking you.  They just see it is another attack on themselves, you can rest assure behind every restraining order is a MASSIVE COLOSSAL BITCH who is using the system to get one-up on her man.  Not a smart move on a womans behalf, if she truly fears for the life of her children and herself, she will do whatever it takes to get away from him,  Leave her job, leave the city, leave the country, but in my experience good women don't attract bad men, like attracts like.  If a wan is taking out a restraining order on her partner and then stays with him they deserve one another.

Nice points E-Kul you seem to know alot about the topic, I'm sure you've had the odd restraining order lodged against you

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 01:29:43 PM »
I really feel kinda wothless today...

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 01:34:15 PM »
Restraining orders only increase the MANS RAGE and likelihood of them attacking you.  They just see it is another attack on themselves, you can rest assure behind every restraining order is a MASSIVE COLOSSAL BITCH who is using the system to get one-up on her man.  Not a smart move on a womans behalf, if she truly fears for the life of her children and herself, she will do whatever it takes to get away from him,  Leave her job, leave the city, leave the country, but in my experience good women don't attract bad men, like attracts like.  If a wan is taking out a restraining order on her partner and then stays with him they deserve one another.
Actually, that is the way abused women think. They think that they don't want to get the abuser into trouble because it will make them mad. So they rather deal with the abuse. Becoming victimized over and over again, and lettig their children (if they have any) witness said abuse.

Many orders are done by women trying to eff over the dude, or trying to get that man out of the house, and a new one in (for the weekend) or tit for tat. And then drop them. But, the women (and MEN) who REALLY
NEED THEM, are either too scared or embarrassed to come get them---sometimes it takes a buildup of courage to do it.

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 01:34:31 PM »
I'm thinking about concealed carry.  Not sure if it's a good idea (for me), but maybe a tazer/stun gun  ???

Some idiots out there are blaming the shooting (or at least insinuating) this happened because of our new concealed carry law.  ::)




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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 01:39:36 PM »
Restraining orders generally work against sane individuals, people who have something to lose, or face embarrassment.

You're so right on this part.  It depends what the individual has a steak.  I saw a guy leave the state to get away from his bitch after she slapped him with a RO and piece bond, because his business and family started to get caught up in it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 01:42:08 PM »
HA HA I Have actually, one was by an ex about 15 years ago, after we broke up I sent her a nasty text calling her poisonous and venomous and I mistakenly wrote one of my favourite quotes "Beware the fury of a patient man" as I actually consider myself a patient man, on reflection I could see how that could be considered a veiled threat, but for me revenge doesn't always have to be physical, anyway, she really pissed me off.  Anyway, long story short, she kept the texts, applied for an intervention, which i contested by the way, the whole thing was a joke, the judge copped one look at her tits that she proudly had on display, watched her every crocodile tear flow from her eyes while she recounted every terrible thing I'd ever done in my life to convince the judge I was a dangerous felon.  Long story short, the Judge granted the order, gave me the evil eye, puffed his chest out like some chivalrous mangina and I never saw that EVIL BITCH again and nor did i want too after that.  She did it for spite, because I served up some home truths during the break up and she wanted to teach me a new school feminist lesson.  Last I heard she was broke, obese, single, unemployed and still living with her mother and stepfather.  Stupid Bitch!

tell us about the rest of your restraining orders now

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 01:47:26 PM »
This is truly a sad story, especially with more and more background information becoming available.

Listen to this:
It's chilling
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http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/news/newstogo/175441311.html

start min. 25 - HE is the one doing the interrogation
Also, min. 29~30 and on   :'( >:( :'( >:(
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 02:00:38 PM »
Restraining orders only increase the MANS RAGE and likelihood of them attacking you.  They just see it is another attack on themselves, you can rest assure behind every restraining order is a MASSIVE COLOSSAL BITCH who is using the system to get one-up on her man.  Not a smart move on a womans behalf, if she truly fears for the life of her children and herself, she will do whatever it takes to get away from him,  Leave her job, leave the city, leave the country, but in my experience good women don't attract bad men, like attracts like.  If a wan is taking out a restraining order on her partner and then stays with him they deserve one another.

Restraining orders and gun laws work with law-abiding citizens.  Two people I knew had ROs against their spouses, yet both were murdered by their spouses anyway.

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 02:07:39 PM »
lawyers are pieces of shits as well , but we all know that as well

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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2012, 02:08:39 PM »
  The only good lawyer...

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2012, 02:10:26 PM »
lawyers are pieces of shits as well , but we all know that as well

If you're referring to the audio clip and the male voice (sounding like an asshole lawyer); it's her husband acting on his own behalf.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2012, 02:10:46 PM »
cost 2 other woman their lives as well




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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2012, 02:11:09 PM »
mission in life have a restraing order on a man. awesome life awesome mission. worthless dna

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2012, 02:12:23 PM »
"Two Democratic state lawmakers said Monday that they'll re-introduce a bill designed to ensure that perpetrators of domestic violence comply with judges' orders to surrender their weapons."

Yeah...that'l fix it... f*ing morons..


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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2012, 02:12:54 PM »
OH i see, what a fucking asshole Indeed , no wonder he was getting over ruled after every question , stupid fuck





If you're referring to the audio clip and the male voice (sounding like an asshole lawyer); it's her husband acting on his own behalf.


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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2012, 02:21:16 PM »
I'm thinking about concealed carry.  Not sure if it's a good idea (for me), but maybe a tazer/stun gun  ???

Some idiots out there are blaming the shooting (or at least insinuating) this happened because of our new concealed carry law.  ::)


    Those folks do not have the capacity to reason. A crazy person, a determined person, some felons, could care less how many laws are passed. They will still find a way to acquire a gun, a gallon of gas, a vehicle ( ramming speed), a pointed stick or what ever to do the deed they decide to do.

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2012, 02:23:27 PM »
police are to blame


for making woman think they are SAFE with a court stamped piece of paper


A real restraining order should be granted along with Self protection Gun Classes

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2012, 02:25:36 PM »
Milwaukee spa shooting: Wife told court shooter terrorized her

MILWAUKEE - A Wisconsin man terrorized his wife for years, threatening to throw acid on her face, dousing her car with tomato juice and slashing her vehicle's tires before finally going to the spa where she worked, opening fire and killing her and two others.

The shooting spree stunned the middle- to upper-class Milwaukee suburb where it happened, but court records show the conflict between Radcliffe Haughton and his wife had been escalating for years.

The 45-year-old former car salesman ultimately shot seven women at the spa before turning the gun on himself. Three remained hospitalized Monday.

Haughton, of Brown Deer, was charged with disorderly conduct last year after police officers responding to a 911 call saw Haughton point what appeared to be a gun at his wife, Zina, from a window at their home. Officers took cover, and a 90-minute standoff ensued.

Brown Deer police said Monday the standoff ended peacefully, and they were never able to confirm a gun was involved because Zina Haughton wouldn't allow them into the couple's home. The charge against Radcliffe Haughton was dropped when a police officer failed to appear in court.

According to court records, Zina Haughton told police when she called 911 that her husband had thrown her clothes and bedding into the yard and poured tomato juice on her car.

Ernest J. Polk, who lives across the street from the Haughtons' home, said they were friendly to him but he saw signs of turmoil.

"There was always confrontation over there, but I never thought it would come to this," he said. "... It was mostly verbal. I didn't see anything physical."

Zina Haughton told police last year that her husband didn't own any guns, but she was concerned enough about her safety to get a police escort when she went to the house earlier this month to pick up a few items.

Zina Haughton wrote in restraining order request filed Oct. 8 that her husband had threatened to kill her if she ever left him. He also, at various times, threatened to throw acid on her face and burn her and her family with gas.

"His threats terrorize my every waking moment," Zina Haughton wrote.

She said when she drove to work after picking up items from her home, she found her husband waiting for her in a car outside the spa. He leaned out of the vehicle and, in front of her and two co-workers, slashed her vehicle's tires. He was later arrested.

Radcliffe Haughton appeared in court Thursday, when a judge issued a four-year restraining order and told him to turn in all firearms to a county sheriff. It's not clear whether he turned in any weapons.

He bought the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun used in the shootings on Saturday, Brown Deer police said in a statement.

People who buy handguns from gun dealers must wait 48 hours after they have cleared a background check from the Department of Justice to pick up their firearm. There is no such waiting period or background check required in Wisconsin for people who purchase handguns from private individuals, which police say Radcliffe Haughton did.

Two Democratic state lawmakers said Monday that they'll re-introduce a bill designed to ensure that perpetrators of domestic violence comply with judges' orders to surrender their weapons.

The shooting spree also killed Cary Robuck, a 35-year-old nail technician from Racine, and Maelyn Lind, 38, of Oconomowoc.

Shawn Scheffler, who had lived with Robuck for six years, described her as a "bright personality" who loved her part-time job at the spa.

"She was my world," Scheffler said. "That was the woman I was going to spend the rest of my life with, and she was taken from me just like that."

Kathy Sieja, a spokeswoman at the hospital where the survivors were taken, said one woman was released from the hospital Monday afternoon and the others were in satisfactory condition.

The shooting spree that happened about 11 a.m. Sunday triggered chaos in the commercial area around the spa. Believing Haughton had fled, police began a massive, six-hour search that locked down a nearby mall, country club and hospital.

The police chief in Brookfield, where the spa is located, said later that a fire Haughton set in the building, the discovery of a propane tank initially believed to be an improvised explosive device and the layout of the facility, with many small rooms and locked areas, all slowed officers' search and delayed the discovery of the gunman's body.

It was the second mass shooting in Wisconsin this year. Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran and white supremacist, killed six people and injured three others before fatally shooting himself Aug. 5 at a Sikh temple south of Milwaukee.

Sunday's shooting took place less than a mile from where seven people were killed and four wounded on March 12, 2005, when a gunman opened fire at a Living Church of God service held at a hotel.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/radcliffe-haughton-milwaukee-spa-shooting-wife-told-court-shooter-terrorized-her#ixzz2A9WKVLjA




happens all the time 17 miles from where i live. well we're living here in allentown and there closing all the factories down out in bethlehem .......... you know the rest.billy joel.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2012, 02:26:35 PM »
I'm thinking about concealed carry.  Not sure if it's a good idea (for me), but maybe a tazer/stun gun  ???

Some idiots out there are blaming the shooting (or at least insinuating) this happened because of our new concealed carry law.  ::)


Out of curiosity why wouldn't be a good idea for you?

And anti-gun people are opportunistic and will swoop down any chance to blame the gun instead on the one wielding it. This guy would have killed her regardless if he owned a gun or not.