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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #150 on: November 01, 2012, 10:39:35 AM »
•As of 2010, Marsha J. Evans, was no longer employed by the American Red Cross. According to United Press International, Gail McGovern took over as CEO of the American Red Cross in 2008 at an annual salary of $500,000 plus a signing bonus of $65,000.

•Brian Gallagher is still President and CEO of United Way, and currently earns $1,037,140 a year, according to a December 2010 report from the American Institute of Philanthropy.


•W. Todd Bassett is no longer National Commander of the Salvation Army. The current National Commander, Israel L. Gaither, is paid somewhere between $79,389 and $243,248 annually for his services. (Since the Salvation Army, as a religious organization, doesn't report its expenses to the IRS, the only available figures for executive salaries are estimates, which vary greatly from source to source.)


•UNICEF's Executive Director, Anthony Lake, earns $201,351 a year, according to a 2010 communique from the organization

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #151 on: November 01, 2012, 10:40:25 AM »
so you give 10% of your income to your church in addition to other (religious ?) charities 

That's what tithe means, 10%.  Yes, I donate time and money to religious charities and to secular charities too, in addition to the tithe.  So do most Christians I know, especially American Christians.  That's what the stuff I posted about who gives the most to charity is about.  Why are you so surprised?

To Straw and to tu_holmes, what I posted about who gives the most to charity has nothing to do with giving to the church, though Christians do give to their church too. 

There are hundreds of Christian charities in the US and around the world that help not only the poor, but also people who have other needs too like victims of disaster and victims of human trafficking.

Top Ten Christian Charities

Whether you'd like to sponsor a child to provide him with basic needs, help health workers distribute care to AIDS victims, or donate funds for disaster relief, there is a Christian charity with the infrastructure to help. And, in contrast to many secular philanthropic organizations, Christian charities help address the spiritual needs of the people they serve.

World Vision
This charity's arms are wide; reaching over 100 countries and influencing many different social causes, from hunger to health. World Vision's infrastructure is able to serve, in particular, "earthquake and hurricane survivors, abandoned and exploited children, survivors of famine and civil war, refugees, and children and families in communities devastated by AIDS in Africa, Asia, and Latin America." One of World Vision's calling cards is child sponsorship. In sponsoring a child, a donor sends a given amount of money every month, and with those funds World Vision provides the child with basic needs like food, healthcare, and education. If a more hands-on approach is your style, there are many local and international ways to volunteer with World Vision. Additionally, World Vision employs over 30,000 employees in varying fields of expertise.

Salvation Army
We all know them as the bell ringers outside the grocery store during the Christmas season. The Salvation Army, however, does much more than bell ringing. It began in 19th century England under the leadership of William Booth as an evangelistic effort and has now has grown to include many areas of social service, like community care, disaster relief, adult rehabilitation, combating human trafficking, and elderly services. The main focus of the Salvation Army remains evangelistic, but it calls itself a "total ministry for the total person." The toughest philanthropic grading institution, the American Institute of Philanthropy, grades the Salvation Army with A's and A-'s depending on the territory. This means the Salvation Army's financials are some of the most reliable among philanthropic entities.
   
Other Organizations of Note
Church World Service is a popular international relief organization, serving the needs of people plagued by poverty, disease, injustice, natural disasters, and other forms of suffering. Bread for the World, on the other hand, is focused on serving those who suffer from hunger. Both of these organizations are rated highly by the American Institute of Philanthropy (A and B+, respectively). Christian Foundation for Children and Aging, United Methodist Committee on Relief, ChildFund International, Catholic Relief Services, Lutheran World Relief, and Habitat for Humanity each address different social issues, and are all highly ranked Christian charities according to the American Institute of Philanthropy. There is generally a Christian charity organization serving nearly every kind of human need.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6026651_top-ten-christian-charities.html

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #152 on: November 01, 2012, 10:43:46 AM »
The american christians I know are not any more charitable than the atheists I know. but I realize my personal experience is not a very good sampling. The thing about charity work is kind of summed up by Loco when he said he would rather not say how much he gives. I too would not disclose how much I give each year to various charities.  So...... if I were polled on it, the answer might be zero if "I'd rather not say" is calculated as such. If someone else was polled on it, the answer might be overestimated depending on their character and being put on the spot. I would posit that the reality is there is very little difference in charity between liberals and conservatives.  And really, if we are taking info from the IRS...as a basis, I am limited on what I can claim am I not?

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #153 on: November 01, 2012, 10:45:00 AM »
Loco - do you think I could join a christian church and decide not to give any money to it at all.   Do you think there would be any pressure from the church or it's members to give money ?


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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #154 on: November 01, 2012, 10:53:54 AM »
The american christians I know are not any more charitable than the atheists I know. but I realize my personal experience is not a very good sampling. The thing about charity work is kind of summed up by Loco when he said he would rather not say how much he gives. I too would not disclose how much I give each year to various charities.  So...... if I were polled on it, the answer might be zero if "I'd rather not say" is calculated as such. If someone else was polled on it, the answer might be overestimated depending on their character and being put on the spot. I would posit that the reality is there is very little difference in charity between liberals and conservatives.  And really, if we are taking info from the IRS...as a basis, I am limited on what I can claim am I not?

Agnostic007, I know you are a good guy from reading some of your posts.  I don't mean to offend by what I post.  Good for you, that you give and don't tell how much!

But this is bigger than that.   Developed, welfare countries give less to charity than Americans do.  And what of the many Christian charities in good standing who help the needy foreign and domestic?

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #155 on: November 01, 2012, 10:55:35 AM »
Loco - do you think I could join a christian church and decide not to give any money to it at all.   Do you think there would be any pressure from the church or it's members to give money ?



Yes

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #156 on: November 01, 2012, 11:09:14 AM »
Yes

No

thanks
just wondering as I've heard different from other people

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #157 on: November 01, 2012, 11:14:19 AM »
thanks
just wondering as I've heard different from other people

You are welcome!  I am sure you have.  Just like anything else, I am sure there are churches out there that pressure members to give, or to give more.  That just hasn't been my experience or the experience of any church going Christian that I know.  And I have been a member of many churches in my lifetime, and I know and have known many Christians in my lifetime.  

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #158 on: November 01, 2012, 11:45:13 AM »
Interestingly enough, the only time that I felt pressured to donate to charities was when working for secular US companies, all of which pressure their employees to donate to the United Way.  These companies push for 100% participation among all employees.  The United Way raises funds to distribute to many different charities, many of which are secular charities. 

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #159 on: November 02, 2012, 10:10:29 AM »
Agnostic007, I know you are a good guy from reading some of your posts.  I don't mean to offend by what I post.  Good for you, that you give and don't tell how much!

But this is bigger than that.   Developed, welfare countries give less to charity than Americans do.  And what of the many Christian charities in good standing who help the needy foreign and domestic?

Thanks, same to you. I'm not really offended, I have a deep distrust of "studies" on the whole and often times when reviewed it is found there were flaws in the study. This dates back to the FDA and how they determined many of their conclusions. I'm in Austin, a liberal hippie island in the middle of a very conservative state. I'm neither democrate or Republican, Liberal or conservative yet I am all of them in some aspect. I have been quite impressed with the liberal community when it comes to outreach for the poor. It's likely I suppose that I am seeing an isolated difference but I simply find it hard to believe conservatives are more charitable.     

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Re: Would American Christians vote for Jesus?
« Reply #160 on: November 02, 2012, 01:10:56 PM »
Didn't he stop a woman from being stoned?  Isn't that where the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" line comes from? 
good point! i was wrong about him not stopping a single killing. however, consider how he went about saving that woman. did he use violence or force ? did he physically inhibit anyone from harming the woman?