Can't anyone train natural these days? Is it really that hard.
What is so wrong about someone wanting to give themself an edge when it comes to building muscle or losing fat? Does it truly have any affect on you or any other "natural" lifter if I or someone else chooses to speed up the process of gaining muscle? I sure as hell didn't think I was in a competition against anyone else while working out. But I guess maybe some "natties" have that mindset, so I or other "juicers" are therefore "cheating".
I always felt bodybuilding should be about pushing "yourself" to the limit. Taking a bunch of shit to get big, there really is no tremendous challenge.
Why do people assume that you don't have bust your ass in the gym to continue gaining muscle or diet hard to lose fat, etc. when on steroids? Yep, once you start taking steroids, there's no more work involved! Sit at home, eat shit all day, and you'll eventually wake up looking like a competitive bodybuilder! How many steroid users can say there is no longer any significant challenge to bodybuilding now that they're on steroids? Outside of those with the most insane genetics (and even in that case), I'd say extremely few to none (my opinion of course).
Look around any gym and you'll see tons of second rate juicers looking mediocre...it's not very hard.
Of course, but it's the same as looking around any gym and seeing "mediocre" natural trainers. I guess I don't see why the "natural crusaders" feel the need to bash any steroid using lifter who doesn't happen to be 260 lbs and 6% bodyfat. Steroids are NOT miracle drugs, as you pointed out in the quote above. Also, how are you able to tell (in most cases apparently) who exactly is on drugs in "any gym"?
I give credit to anyone who trains hard, diets well, and is consistent for a long period of time. Now a days, nobody seems to be able to accomplish anything natural. To me, it's pretty sad.
Nothing wrong with hitting some gear, but it seems like people use gear as a crutch, rather than something to enhance their training lifestyle. And again, where is the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains are because of what drug you took? Seems pointless, unless it is your career.
Croatch on...
Croatch, I'm not sure who you're speaking of when you say "NOBODY seems to be able to accomplish anything natural".
I totally agree with you in saying that people (not every user) use gear as a crutch. I think many get into a mindset (initially) that steroids will solve all of their muscle building problems. The drugs will do everything for them. But we all know it doesn't work like that. Sure, steroids can speed up the process of building muscle, but again it doesn't mean there's no hard work involved. I mean, if steroids were really "all that", then you could sit on your couch for three months, eat Mickey D's 24/7, take high dose 'roids and then walk out the door one day looking like the guy on the cover of Flex, right?. For some reason I doubt that's happening to anyone.
And since when did bodybuilding go from being all about the end result (how you look), to the difficulty and length of the process (of building a lean, muscular body)?
I guess I simply don't agree in making generic statements such as "there's no challenge" or "where's the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains because of what drug you took" etc., because that's simply not the case. And if you haven't taken steroids and experienced those exact things when "on", I fail to see how one could make such statements. My $.02.
If you enjoy bodybuilding, weightlifting, etc. without steroids and want to see how far you can go naturally, then that's cool too. I completely respect that.
