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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/29/bloomberg-news-romney-rented-mormon-churchs-exemption-to-defer-taxes-for-15-years/
 

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney used a loophole to “rent” the Mormon church’s tax exemption status and defer paying taxes for 15 years, according to a new report.
 
Tax returns obtained by Bloomberg News through a Freedom of Information Act request indicated that Romney set up a charitable remainder unitrust (CRUT) in June 1996 just before Congress cracked down on the loophole in 1997.
 
“In this instance, Romney used the tax-exempt status of a charity — the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing — to defer taxes for more than 15 years,” Bloomberg’s Jesse Drucker explained. “At the same time he is benefitting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires.”

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Romney ‘rented’ Mormon church’s exemption to defer taxes for 15 years!
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 02:31:30 PM »
Bloomberg News: Romney ‘rented’ Mormon church’s exemption to defer taxes for 15 years



Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney used a loophole to “rent” the Mormon church’s tax exemption status and defer paying taxes for 15 years, according to a new report.

Tax returns obtained by Bloomberg News through a Freedom of Information Act request indicated that Romney set up a charitable remainder unitrust (CRUT) in June 1996 just before Congress cracked down on the loophole in 1997.

“In this instance, Romney used the tax-exempt status of a charity — the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing — to defer taxes for more than 15 years,” Bloomberg’s Jesse Drucker explained. “At the same time he is benefitting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires.”

Estates lawyer Jonathan Blattmachr told Bloomberg that Romney’s trust benefits from the Mormon church’s exempt status because charities don’t pay capital gains taxes when they make a profit from the sale of assets.

“The main benefit from a charitable remainder trust is the renting from your favorite charity of its exemption from taxation,” Blattmachr said, adding that the charitable contribution “is just a throwaway” and the church would receive little if any financial benefit from the trust.

“I used to structure them so the value dedicated to charity was as close to zero as possible without being zero,” he pointed out.

The CRUT allows individuals to “defer capital gains taxes on any profit from the sale of the assets, and receive a small upfront charitable deduction and a stream of yearly cash payments,” Drucker wrote. “Like an individual retirement account, the trust allows money to grow tax deferred, while like an annuity it also pays Romney a steady income. After the funder’s death, the trust’s remaining assets go to a designated charity.”

In fact, the amount available to go to the Mormon church has decreased from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011 as Romney has collected yearly cash payments from the trust.

The Romney campaign declined to answer questions about the trust but insisted that it was “operated in accordance with the law” in an email to Bloomberg.

The trust represents a small fraction of Romney’s more than $250 million fortune and is only one of several methods the formal Bain Capital CEO has employed to avoid paying taxes.

Earlier this year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), who is also a Mormon, had suggested that the Republican presidential nominee refused to release his tax returns because he had not paid any income taxes over a 10-year period.

In a September speech on the Senate floor, Reid said that leaked tapes insulting the 47 percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes as “dependant” on the government have gave the world a “rare look at the real Mitt Romney.”

“For all we know Mitt Romney could be one of those who have paid no federal income tax. Thousands of families making more than a million dollars per year pay nothing in federal income tax,” the Nevada Democrat observed. “Is Mitt Romney among those? We’ll never know because he refuses to release his tax returns.”

“We know that Mitt Romney pays a lower tax rate than middle-class families, thanks to a number of things he’s done: Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Islands tax shelters. And we can only imagine what new secrets would be revealed if he showed the American people a dozen years of tax returns like his dad did.”

Reid noted that most of “those people” who Romney talked about “are not avoiding their tax bills using Cayman Islands tax shelters or Swiss Bank accounts like Mitt Romney. Millions of the 47 percent are seniors on Social Security, who don’t have Bain Capital retirement funds or inherited stock to fall back on.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/29/bloomberg-news-romney-rented-mormon-churchs-exemption-to-defer-taxes-for-15-years/



You should read some of the commentary about this from "One Million Pissed off Women"  :o

Talk about scathing. lol
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"Aside from being a liar, a thief, and tax cheater, a tax evader and a job destroyer, the man is a criminal. HE IS A CRIMINAL. You know what would happen to any one of US if we did this?? How the fuck are people still willing to vote for this guy? Oh wait. He''s not black. What does it say about how screwed up our nation is that people would rather vote for a white criminal than a black man? It's embarrassing and shameful and scary."

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"Isn't that Tax Evasion? - Mary Ellen Arbuckle - Houston, TX."
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The CRUT allows individuals to “defer capital gains taxes on any profit from the sale of the assets, and receive a small upfront charitable deduction and a stream of yearly cash payments,” Drucker wrote. “Like an individual retirement account, the trust allows money to grow tax deferred, while like an annuity it also pays Romney a steady income. After the funder’s death, the trust’s remaining assets go to a designated charity.”

Is he breaking the law by doing this?

Maybe if this nation had a tax code that made any kind of sense stuff like this wouldn't be done.

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If the law allowed the loophole, how is it illegal?

The comments by those females are idiotic.

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Romney followed the law.   

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Tax returns obtained by Bloomberg News through a Freedom of Information Act request indicated that Romney set up a charitable remainder unitrust (CRUT) in June 1996 just before Congress cracked down on the loophole in 1997.

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I can't believe how piss poor the pbama campaign has been.   Talk about grasping at straws. 

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I can't believe how piss poor the pbama campaign has been.   Talk about grasping at straws. 

They are counting on people not even bothering to comprehend that it was legal. You know. Idiots like blacken, whork and the O.P.

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Legal or not, ...it has an impact on how people feel about him.

It's legal to toss a widow granny out in the street with her 7 grandchildren all under 5, ...in the middle of winter. However, if you have done so, ...and are running for POTUS, do you really think it will not have an impact on how voters perceive you?

If your actions are legal, ...you should have no problem with them facing the light of scrutiny.
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Legal or not, ...it has an impact on how people feel about him.

It's legal to toss a widow granny out in the street with her 7 grandchildren all under 5, ...in the middle of winter. However, if you have done so, ...and are running for POTUS, do you really think it will not have an impact on how voters perceive you?

If your actions are legal, ...you should have no problem with them facing the light of scrutiny.
agreed, why wont obama give us the details on fast and furious and benghazi then?

glass houses you moronic libtard

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Legal or not, ...it has an impact on how people feel about him.

It's legal to toss a widow granny out in the street with her 7 grandchildren all under 5, ...in the middle of winter. However, if you have done so, ...and are running for POTUS, do you really think it will not have an impact on how voters perceive you?

If your actions are legal, ...you should have no problem with them facing the light of scrutiny.

Exactly, it's an integrity issue. legality has nothing to do with it, offshore accounts are legal but for someone running for POTUS to have such accounts seems like a slap in the face to hardworking americans. It's only fair that he get taxed like everyone else, yet he avoids it and pretends it's charity.

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agreed, why wont obama give us the details on fast and furious and benghazi then?

glass houses you moronic libtard


have a drink you alcoholic.

What evidence do you have other then hersay? This is a verifiable fact, you seem to get fact and hypothesis mixed up a lot. For example evolution is a fact, god is a hypothesis, an untestable one. Any clearer?

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So what he did.. You mean... Was legal at he time?... Wow.. What a bad man..

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have a drink you alcoholic.

What evidence do you have other then hersay? This is a verifiable fact, you seem to get fact and hypothesis mixed up a lot. For example evolution is a fact, god is a hypothesis, an untestable one. Any clearer?
hahaha so if I drink on the weekends from time to time im an alcoholic?

for a person who is educated in philosophy you sure have a hard time following logical formats.

Jagson said that if you arent doing anything illegal you shouldnt have anything to worry about in your actions coming to light.

Obama doesnt want his admins actions coming to light in regards to fast and furious, thats why he sealed the records through executive priviledge(or did they not report that in that shitty country of yours?)

therefor according to jagsons logic he is hiding something illegal.

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This was legal so I don't see why Romney should be so ashamed by it that he refuses to release his tax returns

I'm sure the public will understand

I mean it's just like Arnold gobbling handfuls of steriods by the time he was 15

It was all perfectly legal so no one would have a problem with it and it wouldn't hurt his image at all

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  He released his tax returns.. He did all he was legally entitled to release.. I love the liberals holier than thou attitude about this.. You think any person with a shit ton of money would not take advantage of any legal loopholes possible?  You think John Kerry, one of the richest politicians around, does not do what his accountants tell him?  Kerry did not earn any of his wealth but married into it.. Yet dems had no issue with his wealth.. Hhmmm

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  He released his tax returns.. He did all he was legally entitled to release.. I love the liberals holier than thou attitude about this.. You think any person with a shit ton of money would not take advantage of any legal loopholes possible?  You think John Kerry, one of the richest politicians around, does not do what his accountants tell him?  Kerry did not earn any of his wealth but married into it.. Yet dems had no issue with his wealth.. Hhmmm

legally entitled ?

he's not required (nor "entitled) to release any but it's been a custom (starting with his father) to release 5-10 years as an act of good faith to show that you're not a scumbag tax dodger

Romney has released 2 (and they weren't even complete)

not that any of that matters at this point


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 You are correct. They are not "legally" required to release records.. But he released the bare minimum to quite down the most vocal.. Even then it did him no good.. Also correct that it does not matter at his point.. Most know all politicians are more or less full of shit.. Dems have the lead in wealthy politicians.. Good for them.. But they too don't want to push the money issue.. Obama putting a Tax cheat in charge of monies nullified that issue.. They are all guilty of it..

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hahaha so if I drink on the weekends from time to time im an alcoholic?

for a person who is educated in philosophy you sure have a hard time following logical formats.

Jagson said that if you arent doing anything illegal you shouldnt have anything to worry about in your actions coming to light.

Obama doesnt want his admins actions coming to light in regards to fast and furious, thats why he sealed the records through executive priviledge(or did they not report that in that shitty country of yours?)

therefor according to jagsons logic he is hiding something illegal.

Jesus Tomy, I do not have a degree in philosophy, you are all over the place. I'm in high school, european philosopher. Hard time keeping it together much?

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This is definitely a "Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game" situation.

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This is definitely a "Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game" situation.

heck yeah, we should all be able to rent a tax deferrment from the Mormon church

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heck yeah, we should all be able to rent a tax deferrment from the Mormon church

It's legal isn't it? Is he breaking the law? No he is not.

But, in my opinion, this stuff shouldn't be able to happen.

But here we are.