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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 08:44:17 AM »

How are small states even going to be begin to clean up millions of dollars worth of damage? While I agree that big government should not control us, some things are needed. You need things like FEMA during times like this. You seriously think the average person is going to be able to get a state back on its feet when its hit with over 100 million in damages. Seriously?  Undecided Undecided
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 08:45:52 AM »

(Whore) Politicians will never let a good disaster go to waste!
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2012, 08:46:54 AM »

How are small states even going to be begin to clean up millions of dollars worth of damage? While I agree that big government should not control us, some things are needed. You need things like FEMA during times like this. You seriously think the average person is going to be able to get a state back on its feet when its hit with over 100 million in damages. Seriously?  Undecided Undecided
Volunteer work. Did you see how fast they cleaned up in Japan?? Their situation was ten times worse.
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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 09:08:23 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 09:21:38 AM »

FEMA is a joke, and should only be used for things like Katrina. Where I live, if your house floods, you can apply for federal money through FEMA to have your house foundation raised so you don't get flooded out. What kind of sense does that make?  Why should the Federal Govt pay for such things? States should pay their own bills, and if they're too fiscally irresponsible, they should have their representatives and leaders canned.
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2012, 09:44:35 AM »

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The Earth has seen some violent weather in the past. We humans are really insignificant and the Earth does not care about global warming.

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 09:48:30 AM »

The Earth has seen some violent weather in the past. We humans are really insignificant and the Earth does not care about global warming.

Galveston flood after 1915 hurricane

Right on.

Plus, what if we make the environment better for no reason?
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2012, 09:57:19 AM »

Volunteer work. Did you see how fast they cleaned up in Japan?? Their situation was ten times worse.

Yeah, I don't know how volunteers are going to get rid of 6-7 feet of water. I would think you would need certain machines to do that, which the average person doesn't have laying around in their backyards. Not to mention that the elderly, people with small children, people with disabilities can't really help out.

I don't think the government has to supply everything, but maybe a better balance between government help and volunteers. I do not agree that a major natural disaster should be put solely on the people. People need shelter that have lost homes, etc.
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2012, 10:37:57 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2012, 01:59:31 PM »

The Earth has seen some violent weather in the past. We humans are really insignificant and the Earth does not care about global warming.

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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2012, 02:02:43 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2012, 04:09:12 PM »

Big government is never the answer.  They will never have the same level of concern on a situation as a private business or the individual that is directly impacted by the disaster.  The Japan tsunami is a great example.  Communities got together to help one another out and got back to normal very quickly. 
 
Look at what average people did to prevent flooding during the Mississippi river flooding.   

http://archinect.com/news/article/8279858/mississippi-river-flooding-residents-build-homemade-dams-to-saves-houses













Fuk FEMA.. They would probably say they did something that is not up to regulation or illegal.  How they handled Katrina after the fact was just awful.   
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2012, 05:25:54 PM »

Romney Refuses to Discuss his Distorted Disaster Relief Morality
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For Americans who live through a natural disaster, the feeling of helplessness during the event is second only to the aftermath when the damage is surveyed and one realizes that without assistance, there is little hope of ever recovering a semblance of normality. Because America is surrounded by oceans on three sides, chances of meteorological and hydrological disasters loom large, and when storm systems form over the ocean, phenomenon such as cyclones, typhoons, and hurricanes develop and as natural disasters go, the damage can be devastating.  Climate scientists have warned for some time that due to global climate change, weather events like hurricanes will increase in severity, and along the East Coast, residents began feeling the effects of what has been termed a “Frankenstorm” due to the unique confluence of Hurricane Sandy, an early winter storm in the West, and a blast of arctic air from the North. In the aftermath of a disaster climatologists are predicting will decimate the East Coast, residents will depend on emergency relief from the federal government, and most will be thankful there is the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to give them assistance. However, Willard Romney believes disaster relief from the federal government is immoral, and he is not alone.

Romney’s obscene “immoral’ comment was made worse when he said, “What are the things we’re doing, that we don’t have to do?  Those things (disaster relief), we’ve got to stop doing because we’re jeopardizing the future of our kids, it is simply immoral.” In Romney’s vision of government, all expenditures should to go to the wealthy, the military, and corporations, and his grand idea for disaster relief is handing the task of helping displaced Americans to private enterprise. It is true the federal government does not have to help its citizens, but it also is not required to help the oil industry, Israel, corporations, or Willard Romney, but he never complained about the welfare the federal government provided him, Bain Capital, or the 2002 winter Olympics. Apparently, to Romney, his understanding of government morality is founded in how many tax payer dollars the government hands over to him, corporations, and the wealthy elite.


Libertarian Ron Paul took it a step farther and said disaster relief is the purview of churches that will somehow miraculously survive the devastation of a natural disaster and have resources to feed and house Americans who have lost everything, and will repair power lines, clean up fallen trees, and rebuild communities eviscerated by a behemoth natural disaster. History shows, though, that god and churches are missing in action during and after severe weather events, and if they are in the path of a hurricane, will suffer the same damage as other Americans and it begs the question; where do churches go for assistance after a natural disaster? The federal government.

It is that Romney has a distorted sense of morality, but he is promoting the standard Republican agenda that government exists to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the population’s health, safety, and overall well-being. In 2011, House Republicans decided instead of focusing on jobs, it was prudent to attack women’s rights and go on a spending cut frenzy targeting the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) including the National Weather Service (NWS).  Their moral plan cut $126 million from the NWS, and roughly $450 million from NOAA that meant closure of up to 12 forecast offices that safeguard American lives and property. Each office issues forecasts and warnings to an average population of 2.5 million people meaning that over 30 million Americans would be left to look at the sky to predict when their lives would be devastated by a major weather disaster. The head of the Federal Aviation Administration under George W. Bush, Marion Blakey, said, “Imagine the damages we will suffer in the future if weather forecasting capabilities are degraded and communities are not given timely and accurate warnings of major storms coming their way.” Of course, Blakey believes government has a moral responsibility to warn Americans of an impending natural disaster, and it is in sharp contrast to Romney’s assertion that spending money to protect Americans is immoral; unless private enterprise profits.

It is a staple of the Republican agenda that people do not matter, and their dysfunction is if they do admit government has a role to solve problems like warning Americans of an impending natural disaster, or helping them recover from the aftermath, they may have to concede that government plays a necessary and crucial role in people’s lives. However, by asserting that spending taxpayer dollars on agencies like the NWS, FEMA, or NOAA is immoral, it is easy to defund an agency like FEMA or the NWS despite the cost in human terms, and if Americans have learned anything in the past year-and-a-half, it is that Republican cuts always carry a high price in human terms; unless the humans are filthy rich.

Last year in the wake of Hurricane Irene, Eric Cantor and Republicans balked at additional funding for FEMA unless it was matched with “savings elsewhere,” particularly by making massive cuts to FEMA and first responders. At the time, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) detailed the problem with GOP’s FEMA cuts; “The House bill slashes funding for grants to equip and train first responders by 40 percent, on top of the 19% cut in FY 2011,” and she goes on to note the “GOP House defense appropriations bill provides $12.8 billion to train and equip troops and police in Afghanistan, but only $2 billion for first responders to assist American citizens.”

Romney is right that there is a morality problem in America, but it rests solely with himself, Paul Ryan, and Republicans who think so little of Americans they will, given the opportunity, slash funding for emergency disaster relief and early warning in case of a major natural disaster, and yet they wage ferocious battles to preserve oil subsidies, tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, and aid to Israel and the military. Romney gives away his real immoral agenda of handing over FEMA operations to the private sector and one wonders how much Bain Capital has invested in companies set to “take over” disaster relief.

Republicans are immoral for, as Romney says, wanting to “get government out of the way” of people’s lives which is code for privatization and more tax cuts for him and his wealthy cohort. Government is not the be all, end all, but they are the only agency with the means to address something as monumental as a major natural disaster, and it exists to protect the American people it serves. If it is immoral to use federal funds for disaster relief, then it is a mortal sin for Romney to take $1.5 billion for puerile Olympic games, or millions from the federal government auto bailout. Romney’s moral dilemma can be summed up in three words; pure unadulterated greed. What the American people need to know is that Willard’s moral compass is dictated by the size of his hidden riches and not concern for the American people or this country, and he has projected that sentiment for the past 9 months. It is just another piece of evidence that not only is he not a Christian, he is an immoral human being who thinks so little of  the American people that his first priority is enriching the private sector and himself, and although that may be part and parcel of being a good Mormon, it makes him a despicable American, and in keeping with the spirit of the season, a scary monster.
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2012, 05:53:13 PM »

We had some pretty big government during Hurricane Katrina....that sure worked out well.
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2012, 06:55:58 PM »

Its called "common sense", dumb-dumb.

And quite frankly, there is NO BETTER TIME for voters to be weighing the position Romney had taken during the primaries than RIGHT NOW.

Dipshit, the federal government is burdened by regulations and bureaucratic bullshit. Do you really think Obama gives a rats shit about the poor souls in New Jersey. He is acting quickly to make nothing more than a political statement. Remember, this is the same clown who voted present more than 75% of the time he was in the Senate. He does nothing without an agenda. You are a mindless, obviously intellectually challenged, liberal POS who licks the ass of all that is Obama. Please, I cannot wait till Romney hammers this clown and ... yes ... gets rid of government waste and spending. Go fuck yourself.
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2012, 07:05:29 PM »

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A natural disaster is a good time to reflect on what we need to do to avoid an unnatural disaster. Right now, that’s clearer than ever—don’t allow Mitt Romney to become president. When asked about FEMA in the primary debates, Mitt said responsibility for disaster relief should be foisted onto the states. How would you like to be in a life threatening situation, and be depending on Rick Scott or Jan Brewer for help? Evidently Mitt was concerned that wasn’t crazy enough for base, because he added “And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Got that? If you’re flooded, call Goldman Sachs! Mitt wants for-profit disaster relief! Mitt, there are already private-sector people taking part in disaster relief—those slime-balls who do things like sell bottled water for $10 a bottle. Mitt wants that on a corporate scale!

Mitt actually called federal disaster relief “immoral”! He said “It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids.” Yes, how will we ever explain to our children that we wasted the money on saving lives? Mitt wants massive tax cuts for billionaires, but he thinks that it’s immoral to send bottled water into a flood zone! I guess leaving disaster victims to fend for themselves is one way to force the 47 percent to take personal responsibility for their lives!

The Romney campaign has been running an ad in Ohio that is blatantly false even by Mitt Romney’s standards for the truth—and Mitt Romney has no standards for the truth. The ad is designed to give the false impression that Jeep is moving US production to China. You have to admit—Mitt is the best liar there is. But this time he might have bitten off more truth than he could chew up. Mitt is facing some major blowback from his lies about Jeep. And blowback is very serious when you blow as much as Mitt Romney does. The Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote a scathing editorial that said “Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss — and it wasn’t Romney.” It’s a good thing for Mitt that he’s spending plenty of time in Ohio—because after this, I don’t know if he’ll ever be welcome back.
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2012, 07:19:04 PM »

We had some pretty big government during Hurricane Katrina....that sure worked out well.
'bout as well as Blackwater and Halliburton, I suppose  Lips sealed
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2012, 08:59:54 PM »

Yet another Benny post taken out of context to suit the lib lies. It's that integrity thing again.
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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2012, 09:33:11 PM »

Yet another Benny post taken out of context to suit the lib lies. It's that integrity thing again.

CMon now...What the fuk are you talking about Coach.  Liberals dont have integrity.  Probably dont even know what that word means.

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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2012, 09:35:56 PM »

CMon now...What the fuk are you talking about Coach.  Liberals dont have integrity.  Probably dont even know what that word means.



The lies are unbearable. Pathological.
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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2012, 09:37:14 PM »

The lies are unbearable. Pathological.

Denial and ignorance is a beautiful thing to some.
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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2012, 09:55:31 PM »

if there was no fema.. and no taxes.. no government to help.. would people donate their time and money to help ?  maybe.. and maybe they would do a better job and contribute more than the government would..    the discussion is a good one to have..  unfortunately i dont see many people interesed in having a genuine conversation about the issue..   
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2012, 09:59:57 PM »

if there was no fema.. and no taxes.. no government to help.. would people donate their time and money to help ?  maybe.. and maybe they would do a better job and contribute more than the governmlent would..    the discussion is a good one to have..  unfortunately i dont see many people interesed in having a genuine conversation about the issue..   

There is no one against.government.help in this case. THIS is one of the things government is for.
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