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« on: October 30, 2012, 05:35:51 AM »

October 29, 2012
A Big Storm Requires Big Government

Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate.

Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a function that should be returned to the states. He not only agreed, he went further.

“Absolutely,” he said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning.
FEMA, created by President Jimmy Carter, was elevated to cabinet rank in the Bill Clinton administration, but was then demoted by President George W. Bush, who neglected it, subsumed it into the Department of Homeland Security, and placed it in the control of political hacks. The disaster of Hurricane Katrina was just waiting to happen.

The agency was put back in working order by President Obama, but ideology still blinds Republicans to its value. Many don’t like the idea of free aid for poor people, or they think people should pay for their bad decisions, which this week includes living on the East Coast.

Over the last two years, Congressional Republicans have forced a 43 percent reduction in the primary FEMA grants that pay for disaster preparedness. Representatives Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and other House Republicans have repeatedly tried to refuse FEMA’s budget requests when disasters are more expensive than predicted, or have demanded that other valuable programs be cut to pay for them. The Ryan budget, which Mr. Romney praised as “an excellent piece of work,” would result in severe cutbacks to the agency, as would the Republican-instigated sequester, which would cut disaster relief by 8.2 percent on top of earlier reductions.

Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? Who would make decisions about where to send federal aid? Or perhaps there would be no federal aid, and every state would bear the burden of billions of dollars in damages. After Mr. Romney’s 2011 remarks recirculated on Monday, his nervous campaign announced that he does not want to abolish FEMA, though he still believes states should be in charge of emergency management. Those in Hurricane Sandy’s path are fortunate that, for now, that ideology has not replaced sound policy.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 05:39:14 AM »

Gov. Christie praises Obama response to Hurricane Sandy as ‘outstanding’
By Meghashyam Mali - 10/30/12

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) praised President Obama’s work to help states battered by Hurricane Sandy as “outstanding” Tuesday, but cautioned that the recovery would be a prolonged effort.

Christie, a prominent surrogate for GOP candidate Mitt Romney, said Obama had moved quickly to help designate his state a disaster area to better expedite federal assistance.

“The federal government’s response has been great. I was on the phone at midnight again last night with the president, personally, he has expedited the designation of New Jersey as a major disaster area,” said Christie, in an interview with NBC’s “Today.”

“Last night, I was on the phone with FEMA at 2 a.m. this morning to answer the questions they needed answered to get that designation and the president has been outstanding in this. The folks at FEMA, [Administrator] Craig Fugate and his folks have been excellent,” he continued.

In a separate interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Christie added to the praise, saying that “the president has been all over this and deserves great credit.”

“He gave me his number at the White House and told me to call him if I needed anything,” he added.


The powerful super-storm barreled into the east coast late Monday, knocking out power for over 6 million people and claiming at least 7 lives. Sandy lashed towns from New England to North Carolina with heavy rains and winds.

But the storm also presented a challenge to presidential contenders Obama and Romney with polls showing a tight race and only a week until election day. Both campaigns cancelled events, with Obama returning to Washington to oversee the federal response and Romney calling on supporters to donate to recovery efforts.

The storm could provide an opportunity for the president to show strong leadership by managing an effective federal recovery. But Obama also faces the risk of assuming blame if anything goes wrong. With the storm hitting many swing-states including Virginia, New Hampshire and North Carolina, its effects on the election are still uncertain.

Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy (D) on the Today show thanked Obama and said the president had done a "magnificent job." Malloy also praised FEMA, saying the agency had done "amazing early work to get us ready."

Christie on Tuesday though signaled that recovering from Sandy could be a long-term issue.

“It’s a major disaster,” said Christie of the damage in his home state. “We have over 2.4 million people without power across the state,” he said and added that there was extensive flooding in many areas.

“We have a battered, battered New Jersey shore that I hope to tour a little bit later on today, but I think the losses are going to be incalculable,” Christie said. 

Malloy mirrored those sentiments. "We've got a lot of work ahead of us," he said.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 05:53:22 AM »

BIG GOVT is a DEVIL

Fuck of with your tasteless opportunistic bullshit.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 05:56:33 AM »

Fuck off with your shit.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 06:02:05 AM »

BIG GOVT is a DEVIL

Fuck of with your tasteless opportunistic bullshit.
Fuck off with your shit.
So...no FEMA for you two dipshits either?  Undecided


Quality posts, guys! Stay classy!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 06:05:28 AM »


Quality posts, guys! Stay classy!  Roll Eyes

Opportunistic politics in the midst of a disaster.  IS NOT CLASSY.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 06:07:11 AM »

As classy as a drone like you deserves it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 06:07:55 AM »

So...no FEMA for you two dipshits either?  Undecided


Quality posts, guys! Stay classy!  Roll Eyes

Ha, ha FEMA, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 06:10:08 AM »

Opportunistic politics in the midst of a disaster.  IS NOT CLASSY.
The question of whether FEMA should be dismantled and disaster relief thrown to individual states is not "opportunistic politics", rather a legitimate discussion on how our federal government should operate. It marks a STARK contrast between the two political candidates.

"Fuck off" to such a discussion suggests that you would not know "class" if it knocked you on your ass.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2012, 06:12:33 AM »

The question of whether FEMA should be dismantled and disaster relief thrown to individual states is not "opportunistic politics", rather a legitimate discussion on how our federal government should operate. It marks a STARK contrast between the two political candidates.

"Fuck off" to such a discussion suggests that you would not know "class" if it knocked you on your ass.

It's called "timing" big boy. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 06:12:52 AM »

The ideal time for 'big government'
By Steve Benen
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Tue Oct 30, 2012



We talked yesterday about Mitt Romney's unique perspective on FEMA -- he wants to turn emergency response efforts over to the states or the private sector -- articulated during the Republican primary process. In light of the severity and brutality of Hurricane Sandy, the candidate's position is receiving new scrutiny.

The New York Times' editorial board, for example, argues today that "a big storm requires big government" (thanks to Bill Wolff for the tip).

    Over the last two years, Congressional Republicans have forced a 43 percent reduction in the primary FEMA grants that pay for disaster preparedness. Representatives Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and other House Republicans have repeatedly tried to refuse FEMA's budget requests when disasters are more expensive than predicted, or have demanded that other valuable programs be cut to pay for them. The Ryan budget, which Mr. Romney praised as "an excellent piece of work," would result in severe cutbacks to the agency, as would the Republican-instigated sequester, which would cut disaster relief by 8.2 percent on top of earlier reductions.

    Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? Who would make decisions about where to send federal aid? Or perhaps there would be no federal aid, and every state would bear the burden of billions of dollars in damages. After Mr. Romney's 2011 remarks recirculated on Monday, his nervous campaign announced that he does not want to abolish FEMA, though he still believes states should be in charge of emergency management. Those in Hurricane Sandy's path are fortunate that, for now, that ideology has not replaced sound policy.


Eugene Robinson is thinking along the same lines: "Back when he was being "severely conservative," Mitt Romney suggested that responsibility for disaster relief should be taken from the big, bad federal government and given to the states, or perhaps even privatized. Hurricane Sandy would like to know if he'd care to reconsider." Robinson added that Romney's approach is "absurd" and "dangerous."

And finally, reader D.M. alerted me to this gem from Charles P. Pierce.

    This entire campaign has been fought out over the issue of whether or not we are all members of a viable political commonwealth with implicit mutual obligations to act through our government -- a self-government that is, or ought to be, the purest creative project of that commonwealth -- for the common good, or whether that government is a some sort of alien entity repressing our fundamental entrepreneurial energy. Over the next few days, I believe, we are going to see that argument brought to the sharpest point possible. If you want to see how this event will "impact the election," look to what answer to that question emerges from the storm. It will tell us a lot about the election, and about ourselves.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2012, 06:15:16 AM »

It's called "timing" big boy. 
Its called "common sense", dumb-dumb.

And quite frankly, there is NO BETTER TIME for voters to be weighing the position Romney had taken during the primaries than RIGHT NOW.
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Its called "common sense", dumb-dumb.

And quite frankly, there is NO BETTER TIME for voters to be weighing the position Romney had taken during the primaries than RIGHT NOW.

OK so what makes you think a state based emergency management center is inferior to federal?  Lots of pros in it's favor. 

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2012, 06:19:14 AM »

Romney on Eliminating FEMA: "Absolutely!"
by The Troubadour


As Hurricane Sandy prepares to ravage the East Coast and beyond, let us pause and be thankful that Mitt Romney is not our current president.

For Romney, when asked by CNN's John King about what he would do with FEMA, said essentially this:

        Federal funding for disaster relief is "immoral," and is something that should be left up to the states or, "even better," the private sector.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhXyJeKaj8E" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhXyJeKaj8E</a>

See, in Romney's world, funding disaster relief is immoral because of teh deficit, whereas giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans who can evacuate to one of their dozens of vacation homes?

Not so much.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 06:25:30 AM »

 Shocked
Romney 19.0 taking making his latest attempt at his "ever-evolving" position on every issue.  Roll Eyes No core, no conscience, willing to say whatever the room wants to hear.


Romney Denies He Would Eliminate FEMA  Roll Eyes
Monday, October 29, 2012

By: Stephen Feller

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney denied Monday that he would shut down the Federal Emergency Management Agency, despite reports to the contrary Monday morning.

Video from a 2011 Republican presidential primary debate appears to feature Romney saying he would eliminate the agency and return FEMA’s responsibilities to the states or to private companies, reported The Huffington Post.

Campaign officials told Politico that Romney would not shut down FEMA, but leave the responsibility of handling emergency response to the states.

“Gov. Romney believes that states should be in charge of emergency management in responding to storms and other natural disasters in their jurisdictions,” Romney spokesman Ryan Williams said in a statement. “As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities, and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA.”

In the 2011 debate clip from CNN that Huffington Post included with its story, Romney responds to moderator John King’s question about how to handle FEMA which, at the time was thought to be running out of money while dealing with several national emergencies.

“Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction,” Romney said in the debate. “And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 06:39:57 AM »

Romney/Ryan re-brand today's Ohio CAMPAIGN EVENTS as "storm relief" events.

Oh, brother.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 06:54:02 AM »

FEMA has the ability to suspend Constitutional protections of Citizens. 

Weak people embrace tyranny.
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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 07:18:24 AM »

OK so what makes you think a state based emergency management center is inferior to federal?  Lots of pros in it's favor. 


Do you really need that spelled out for you?

Come on.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 07:19:43 AM »

Do you really need that spelled out for you?

Come on.

Empty post.  Plenty of countries have it and it works FINE.
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 07:27:29 AM »

The money that was made off FEMA/Katrina is shocking.  I know a guy that was making 300-500k a month selling tarps to FEMA.  Buying them from China at 1/3 the price and selling them to another poorly run federal agency.  
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2012, 07:30:52 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2012, 08:24:28 AM »

Big Brother wants to rid the city of taxi pollution cabs and help their investment in motor city , all that sea water will destroy all those cabs and they will need to be replaced with new ford focus
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