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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2012, 03:55:56 PM »

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2012, 04:24:25 PM »
Are you kidding?  That's your argument?  So what you're saying is that you have no problem with YOUR tax dollars funding abortions and contraception (which is one in the same for many)?

And Wisconsin DOES NOT require an ID to vote (or register).


http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/voters/registration-voting

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-01/pennsylvania-judge-declines-to-intervene-in-voter-id-case

Photo ID Not Required

 The following voter registration information is from the link you provided.

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If the elector does not have a current, valid Wisconsin driver license, Wisconsin state ID card, or Social Security Number, the applicant may indicate this by filling in the appropriate circle on the registration form.  (Box 2 on GAB-131) 

THE REGISTRATION CANNOT BE PROCESSED UNTIL THE ELECTOR PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION.

If the voter has a current, valid Wisconsin driver license but does not know the number and did not bring it to the polling place, poll workers must allow the voter to vote by provisional ballot. (Note: the voter CANNOT use the last 4 digits of their Social Security Number if he or she has been issued a Wisconsin driver’s license). The provisional ballot will not be counted until the voter either:
 
a)     brings his or her driver license number to his or her polling place before the polls close at 8:00 pm on Election Day; or
 
b)     transmits (via fax, email, telephone call or personal visit) his or her driver license number to the municipal clerk before 4:00 pm on the Friday after the Election.

Just as you say, I do not have a problem with my tax dollars paying for abortion and/or contraception. Where do you suppose government gets the money to pay for welfare, children's services, medical care for indigent children and their mothers and eventually prisons for those kids that don't survive the system? Which demographic do you suppose has the highest rate of unwanted and underage pregnancies?

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2012, 04:43:41 PM »
The following voter registration information is from the link you provided.


Voter Photo ID provisions of 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 are currently enjoined orders of by two Wisconsin circuit courts. Those decisions have been appealed by the Attorney General, but until they are resolved, no photo ID is required to receive a ballot in Wisconsin. 

On September 27, 2012, the Wisconsin Supreme Court declined for a second time to hear the cases prior to action by the Court of Appeals.




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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2012, 07:32:53 PM »

Voter Photo ID provisions of 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 are currently enjoined orders of by two Wisconsin circuit courts. Those decisions have been appealed by the Attorney General, but until they are resolved, no photo ID is required to receive a ballot in Wisconsin. 

On September 27, 2012, the Wisconsin Supreme Court declined for a second time to hear the cases prior to action by the Court of Appeals.






OK Princess, So how is this the congresswoman in the video's or for that matter the Democratic party's fault? Seems like this is an issue with the supreme court.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 07:45:28 PM »
OK Princess, So how is this the congresswoman in the video's or for that matter the Democratic party's fault? Seems like this is an issue with the supreme court.



She is a perfect example of a democrat.   A tax sponging locust of tax dollars. 

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2012, 08:45:47 PM »
OK Princess, So how is this the congresswoman in the video's or for that matter the Democratic party's fault? Seems like this is an issue with the supreme court.

*sigh* Voter ID bill was passed last year.  Dems cried suppression and subsequently filed a lawsuit.

The Milwaukee branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and immigrant rights group Voces de la Frontera sued, arguing the law creates too heavy a burden on voters.

Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan (D) sided with the groups, ruling the law impairs the right to vote.

State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said in a statement Wednesday he believes the law is constitutional.

Another (D) Madison judge has blocked the law in a separate lawsuit filed by the League of Women Voters. Van Hollen is appealing that decision, too.


http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Judge_Temporarily_Stops_New_Voter_ID_Law_141623163.html
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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2012, 01:50:20 AM »
*sigh* Voter ID bill was passed last year.  Dems cried suppression and subsequently filed a lawsuit.

The Milwaukee branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and immigrant rights group Voces de la Frontera sued, arguing the law creates too heavy a burden on voters.

Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan (D) sided with the groups, ruling the law impairs the right to vote.

State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said in a statement Wednesday he believes the law is constitutional.

Another (D) Madison judge has blocked the law in a separate lawsuit filed by the League of Women Voters. Van Hollen is appealing that decision, too.


http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Judge_Temporarily_Stops_New_Voter_ID_Law_141623163.html

Here is the thing, Princess. This land was once the exclusive home of the American Indian. All the rest of us are immigrants.

My family immigrated with the Pilgrims on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolutionary War. I qualify to be a member or the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution, just in the case you don't know what that means). My forefathers were tobacco plantation owners who kept African American slaves which also were immigrants to this land. Despite my pedigree of American heritage, I am still the ancestor of immigrants from England. So now tell me, who am I to say who qualifies as an American and who does not? Tell me also, who are you to do the same?

I am a Democrat and I agree that all registered voters should be legal citizens of the U.S.  I have no problem with folks having to provide proof that they have a legal right to vote. The truth is that many Republicans are also recent immigrants. To suggest that Democrats are all for a bunch of "wet backs" seeking to take over this country is simply crazy. The truth of the matter is that Latinos (Spanish Americans) were here long before most of us European settlers arrived. We all learned this in elementary school history. Check out what was originally Spanish territory,

But then, I live in the wild, wild west and am counted among the multitude of Democrats in my neck of the woods and maybe this disqualifies me as being a true patriotic American in the eyes of some Midwesterner "tea party" folks these days.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2012, 03:16:58 AM »
Here is the thing, Princess. This land was once the exclusive home of the American Indian. All the rest of us are immigrants.

My family immigrated with the Pilgrims on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolutionary War. I qualify to be a member or the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution, just in the case you don't know what that means). My forefathers were tobacco plantation owners who kept African American slaves which also were immigrants to this land. Despite my pedigree of American heritage, I am still the ancestor of immigrants from England. So now tell me, who am I to say who qualifies as an American and who does not? Tell me also, who are you to do the same?

I am a Democrat and I agree that all registered voters should be legal citizens of the U.S.  I have no problem with folks having to provide proof that they have a legal right to vote. The truth is that many Republicans are also recent immigrants. To suggest that Democrats are all for a bunch of "wet backs" seeking to take over this country is simply crazy. The truth of the matter is that Latinos (Spanish Americans) were here long before most of us European settlers arrived. We all learned this in elementary school history. Check out what was originally Spanish territory,

But then, I live in the wild, wild west and am counted among the multitude of Democrats in my neck of the woods and maybe this disqualifies me as being a true patriotic American in the eyes of some Midwesterner "tea party" folks these days.

Your point?  Or are you just rambling?

The 18th and 19th century are long past, we should absolutely set stringent standards as to who qualify to be American citizens.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2012, 04:56:00 AM »
Of course her constituents love her.  She fights to preserve welfare fraud.  She fights against requiring voter ID.  She fights to have your tax dollar pay for abortions, because "it is better to have an abortion than make a child be forced to live “eating Ramen noodles” and “mayonnaise sandwiches.”

You already for wars the middle east abortions and contraceptions is small cash

Are you stupid or just posting a repub talking point like the good dog you are?

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2012, 10:30:44 AM »
Your point?  Or are you just rambling?

The 18th and 19th century are long past, we should absolutely set stringent standards as to who qualify to be American citizens.

You are entitled to your opinion. My guess is that it makes little difference to you who people are or how they got here, if they agree with you they are fine, but if they don't then get rid of them. In other words, if Latinos vote Republican then they are fine, but if they vote Democrat, send them back to wherever they came from.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't care much of African Americans either. Bet you loved Sarah Palin who in some people's opinion often makes a big ass out of herself. Why not post a video of her doing that?

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2012, 10:50:02 AM »
You are entitled to your opinion. My guess is that it makes little difference to you who people are or how they got here, if they agree with you they are fine, but if they don't then get rid of them. In other words, if Latinos vote Republican then they are fine, but if they vote Democrat, send them back to wherever they came from.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't care much of African Americans either. Bet you loved Sarah Palin who in some people's opinion often makes a big ass out of herself. Why not post a video of her doing that?

I voted for Obama in 2008.  I was a supporter, people here can back that up.




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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2012, 11:35:06 AM »
Here is the thing, Princess. This land was once the exclusive home of the American Indian. All the rest of us are immigrants.

My family immigrated with the Pilgrims on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolutionary War. I qualify to be a member or the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution, just in the case you don't know what that means). My forefathers were tobacco plantation owners who kept African American slaves which also were immigrants to this land. Despite my pedigree of American heritage, I am still the ancestor of immigrants from England. So now tell me, who am I to say who qualifies as an American and who does not? Tell me also, who are you to do the same?

I am a Democrat and I agree that all registered voters should be legal citizens of the U.S.  I have no problem with folks having to provide proof that they have a legal right to vote. The truth is that many Republicans are also recent immigrants. To suggest that Democrats are all for a bunch of "wet backs" seeking to take over this country is simply crazy. The truth of the matter is that Latinos (Spanish Americans) were here long before most of us European settlers arrived. We all learned this in elementary school history. Check out what was originally Spanish territory,

But then, I live in the wild, wild west and am counted among the multitude of Democrats in my neck of the woods and maybe this disqualifies me as being a true patriotic American in the eyes of some Midwesterner "tea party" folks these days.

Thank you for the history lesson.  Once again, you've drifted so far outside the scope, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. 


Voter ID - PROVIDE A PICTURE ID WITH PROOF OF WHERE YOU RESIDE.  Where is the problem with that?
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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2012, 12:05:52 PM »

Thank you for the history lesson.  Once again, you've drifted so far outside the scope, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.  


Voter ID - PROVIDE A PICTURE ID WITH PROOF OF WHERE YOU RESIDE.  Where is the problem with that?

The problem with that is many people don`t have access or a way to get a Picture ID or even the money to do so.  The right to vote is a guaranteed right and there should be zero loopholes to have to jump through in order to do so.  Its is a guaranteed right.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2012, 12:18:01 PM »
The problem with that is many people don`t have access or a way to get a Picture ID or even the money to do so.  The right to vote is a guaranteed right and there should be zero loopholes to have to jump through in order to do so.  Its is a guaranteed right.

Yeah, this is a tough one...

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2012, 12:19:37 PM »
The problem with that is many people don`t have access or a way to get a Picture ID or even the money to do so.  The right to vote is a guaranteed right and there should be zero loopholes to have to jump through in order to do so.  Its is a guaranteed right.

How do I get a FREE photo ID?

Voter Photo ID provisions of 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 are currently enjoined orders of by two Wisconsin circuit courts. Those decisions have been appealed by the Attorney General, but until they are resolved, no photo ID is required to receive a ballot in Wisconsin.

However, Wisconsin law still requires the Department of Transportation to provide free ID cards to any individual who will be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election and who requests a free ID for the purpose of voting. The regular fee is $28.

For information about getting a state identification card, please visit the DOT's website:

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm

Due to the need to provide a birth certificate and/or other documents to receive a DOT-issued ID, individuals should start the process of obtaining a statutory identification well in advance of an election at which they wish to vote.  You may also consult our pamphlet on how to get a free state ID card.
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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2012, 12:30:41 PM »
How do I get a FREE photo ID?

Voter Photo ID provisions of 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 are currently enjoined orders of by two Wisconsin circuit courts. Those decisions have been appealed by the Attorney General, but until they are resolved, no photo ID is required to receive a ballot in Wisconsin.

However, Wisconsin law still requires the Department of Transportation to provide free ID cards to any individual who will be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election and who requests a free ID for the purpose of voting. The regular fee is $28.

For information about getting a state identification card, please visit the DOT's website:

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm

Due to the need to provide a birth certificate and/or other documents to receive a DOT-issued ID, individuals should start the process of obtaining a statutory identification well in advance of an election at which they wish to vote.  You may also consult our pamphlet on how to get a free state ID card.



Damn loopholes.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2012, 12:53:44 PM »

Thank you for the history lesson.  Once again, you've drifted so far outside the scope, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. 


Voter ID - PROVIDE A PICTURE ID WITH PROOF OF WHERE YOU RESIDE.  Where is the problem with that?


I have no problem with people having to prove they are legal U.S. citizens in order to vote here and I am a Democrat. Is this within the scope?


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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2012, 12:55:00 PM »
The problem with that is many people don`t have access or a way to get a Picture ID or even the money to do so.


From the ten minutes that I worked at a bank years ago, I learned about the process that recipients of SSI/welfare must go through in order to receive the money they take from my paycheck.

This is neat:

One cannot simply cash his/her SSI check from the U.S. Treasury. The check must first be deposited into a bank account under the name and social security number of the recipient. Afterwards, the recipient may withdraw the money from their account.

The fact is: you need some form of state ID (a driver's license or state photo ID) to open a bank account, and even "poor" people on welfare are able to get this. They all are and do; it's the only way to receive their "redistributed wealth."

No voter ID requirement will interfere with disadvantaged people's (or ANY LEGAL CITIZEN'S) ability to vote, and that is not what Democrats are concerned with.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2012, 01:08:54 PM »
Voter IDs laws have become a political flashpoint in what's gearing up to be another close election year. Supporters say the laws — which 30 states have now enacted in some form — are needed to combat voter fraud, while critics see them as a tactic to disenfranchise voters.

Voting law opponents contend these laws disproportionately affect elderly, minority and low-income groups that tend to vote Democratic. Obtaining photo ID can be costly and burdensome, with even free state ID requiring documents like a birth certificate that can cost up to $25 in some places. According to a study from NYU's Brennan Center, 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack necessary photo ID while many people in rural areas have trouble accessing ID offices. During closing arguments in a recent case over Texas's voter ID law, a lawyer for the state brushed aside these obstacles as the "reality to life of choosing to live in that part of Texas."
 
Attorney General Eric Holder and others have compared the laws to a poll tax, in which Southern states during the Jim Crow era imposed voting fees, which discouraged blacks, and even some poor whites -- until the passage of grandfather clauses -- from voting.

Given the sometimes costly steps required to obtain needed documents today, legal scholars argue that photo ID laws create a new "financial barrier to the ballot box."
 

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2012, 01:26:15 PM »
My family immigrated with the Pilgrims on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolutionary War.  So now tell me, who am I to say who qualifies as an American and who does not? Tell me also, who are you to do the same?


There have been some developments since 1620:

American colonization
Declaration of Independence
The Articles of Confederation
The U.S. Constitution
The abolition of slavery
The end of racial segregation
A few sprinkles of war
and maybe one or two more that I'm missing.

The point is, we're almost 400 years post-Plymouth Rock. Most things are done differently all over the world, including immigrating to the United States of America.
There are proper and necessary channels to go through. Lot of people do, and THOSE are the ones who qualify as Americans.

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2012, 01:30:16 PM »
I'm sure you'd be proud to have this congresswoman representing you.  ::)
princess, your forcing me to assume that either you hate music, or you are a racist. so which is it?  ;D

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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2012, 04:07:29 PM »

There have been some developments since 1620:

American colonization
Declaration of Independence
The Articles of Confederation
The U.S. Constitution
The abolition of slavery
The end of racial segregation
A few sprinkles of war
and maybe one or two more that I'm missing.

The point is, we're almost 400 years post-Plymouth Rock. Most things are done differently all over the world, including immigrating to the United States of America.
There are proper and necessary channels to go through. Lot of people do, and THOSE are the ones who qualify as Americans.

If it seemed I was arguing against immigrants going through proper channels to become a U.S. citizen, I wasn't. Not only that, I think if someone wants to become a citizen of this country, they should at least learn some rudimentary English, as did immigrants in the past.

What bothers me is people who would deny others citizenship because of their age, race, religion or country of origin.


Inscription on the Statue of Liberty

Author: Emma Lazarus

 Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
 I lift my lamp beside the golden door.



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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2012, 04:23:54 PM »
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Re: Democrats must be proud
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2012, 01:31:30 AM »
What bothers me is people who would deny others citizenship because of their age, race, religion or country of origin.

Why shouldn't we restrict immigration to the most productive, and intelligent people? 

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